Controversial Michael Moore Flick 'Sicko' Will Compare U.S. Health Care with Cuba's - page 54

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  1. by   marvelous_truth
    Quote from UKRNinUSA
    "I dont need to watch moores film to understand that there are problems, I allready know that. I also know that socialism is and always has been a failure to freedom of the masses and a success to those that use it in guise of helping but in actuality enslaving mankind."

    Meanwhile the unregulated capitalist machine keeps on turning, it's propaganda keeps on flowing, the rich get richer (and healthier) and the poor get poorer and (sicker). And the middle class, just fades away..................
    Indeed, and that is a result of not having a truely free market or free market capatilism. Its the monetary policy that promotes such.

    I believe Aaron Russo's Documentry would do the country and healthcare MORE educational good than moores film.
  2. by   UKRNinUSA
    The bottom line is
    we all need healthcare, it is not a service we can do without, which puts us at a disadvantage when negotiating the price of health care services

    a health insurance company's goal is to maximize profits and they will do this by cutting healthcare costs i.e. services and raising premiums and copays

    therefore we the people end up paying more for an inferior product while the health insurance companies are laughing all the way to the bank.

    How exactly does that benefit me?

    Think of the collective bargaining power of 300 million people.
    Think of how much more cost effective health care would be if you cut out the middleman.
    Think of how much you are being screwed.
  3. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from marvelous_truth
    Indeed, and that is a result of not having a truely free market or free market capatilism. Its the monetary policy that promotes such.

    I believe Aaron Russo's Documentry would do the country and healthcare MORE educational good than moores film.
    I will see this film. I will also continue to pay my income tax.
    If it is true that he encourages people not to pay their taxes It will be hard for me to take him seriously.

    http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-6099842-7.html
  4. by   BBFRN
    Quote from marvelous_truth
    I dont care if socialized medicine is discussed here. However there is another thread about that.
    You came here after this thread has been running for weeks, and want to direct it in a manner you seem fit? You're not getting the premise of the movie, because you have not seen it. Therefore, you really don't have grounds for changing the direction of this thread.

    Now back to the topic at hand.
  5. by   BBFRN
    Quote from lamazeteacher
    In Canada, it started with 7 physicians. Here, physicians seem more "pocket book" oriented (their own), so it's up to us. Who's willing to work on that?
    Very good point. http://www.pnhp.org/

    There is a movement among physicians here, too. Some of our most vocal advocates for a single payer health care system in my state are physicians.
  6. by   marvelous_truth
    ....nevermind
    Last edit by marvelous_truth on Aug 3, '07
  7. by   BBFRN
    ...Oh, forget it.
    Last edit by BBFRN on Aug 2, '07
  8. by   fronkey bean
    Quote from Baptized_By_Fire
    My big question is: if he had never made Fahrenheit 911, would some of you be more willing to see Sicko?
    I will see the movie (when it comes out on DVD, I'm not spending my scarce entertainment $ to see it in the theater). It's just that his track record of not being completly honest w/ the facts will make me very skeptical of anything he says. That is why I don't think he is the vessel to sail UHC on. Having read the postings here, I'm willing to see a UHC proposal, but I want solid facts that can be referenced and cross checked. Not dramatics and half truths. BTW, thanks to everyone who has posted on this topic. I have a much better understanding of it now. I'm still not quite convinced UHC is the best way, but I do think there will have to be some kind of gov't initiative on health care.





    Quote from UKRNinUSA
    "My big question is: if he had never made Fahrenheit 911, would some of you be more willing to see Sicko?"

    What could anyone have against Fahrenheit 911 -check out how the film facts match up to the truth

    http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-fi...ndex.php?id=16

    what could anyone have against the truth -unless of course you are a member of the current administration. Why all the secrecy? Why all the claims of executive privilege? Aren't these people supposed to be working for "we the people"
    I have nothing against the truth, I have a lot against presenting "facts" in a deceitful way. MM is a partisan who did not mind twisting the truth in Fahrenheit 911.
  9. by   marvelous_truth
    Quote from fronkey bean
    I will see the movie (when it comes out on DVD, I'm not spending my scarce entertainment $ to see it in the theater). It's just that his track record of not being completly honest w/ the facts will make me very skeptical of anything he says. That is why I don't think he is the vessel to sail UHC on. Having read the postings here, I'm willing to see a UHC proposal, but I want solid facts that can be referenced and cross checked. Not dramatics and half truths. BTW, thanks to everyone who has posted on this topic. I have a much better understanding of it now. I'm still not quite convinced UHC is the best way, but I do think there will have to be some kind of gov't initiative on health care.







    I have nothing against the truth, I have a lot against presenting "facts" in a deceitful way. MM is a partisan who did not mind twisting the truth in Fahrenheit 911.
    Yeah,
    I havnt seen F911. I am not against watching either if it were available and I had free time, I just choose not to go out of my way or waste any $ for such. Nor would I by into MM non-solutions.
  10. by   marvelous_truth
    Quote from spacenurse
    I will see this film. I will also continue to pay my income tax.
    If it is true that he encourages people not to pay their taxes It will be hard for me to take him seriously.

    http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-6099842-7.html
    it isnt true
  11. by   teeituptom
    welcome to the wonderfull world of MM and UHC
  12. by   Miss Chybil RN
    Quote from fronkey bean

    I have nothing against the truth, I have a lot against presenting "facts" in a deceitful way. MM is a partisan who did not mind twisting the truth in Fahrenheit 911.
    Just out of curiosity, what do you feel Michael Moore misrepresented in F-911?
  13. by   princenina
    Just some idle musings from across the seas.
    Moore's portrait of what he sees as the USA clearly sits uncomfortably with many, I saw "Bowling for Columbine" with a group of young American Uni students in Australia on exchange. As a citizen of a country where owning a gun is a privilege not a right I was fascinated by the after film conversation (steered by a senior Political Science Lecturer who happens to be an American).
    As rank outsider I cant help wondering if people's dislike of Moore's style is clouding.... again... the issues he raises.

    As far as B4C goes, no nurse I've ever met is going to argue about the damage caused by gun shot wounds ....

    By the same token, no nurse who has ever worked in either the public or private health system anywhere in the world for longer than 30 seconds doesn't wonder if things cant be done better.
    By better I mean, better for patients, cheaper, and more efficiently for starters.
    It would be very unfortunate that we as a broader society waste time arguing about Moore's ?journalistic? style rather than the question he raises...can we deliver better health outcomes to everyone?

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