Colorado - Illegal Immigrants no longer eligble for state health care - page 6

Effective Aug. 1, state services, including the state health plans and welfare, will no longer be given to illegal immigrants in Colorado. This law, enacted by Gov. Bill Owens, in considered the... Read More

  1. by   charebec65
    Quote from TheCommuter
    These cashiers, bakery workers, meat clerks, and produce stockers were being paid wages as high as $19 hourly with no formal education. In addition, their health insurance and pensions were free. These grocery store folks had that almighty sense of entitlement, as if their lack of education and skills were really worth $19 in the labor market.
    Wow.... while my son was in surgery the other day I went down to the cafeteria to get a bite to eat. The hospital's job postings were near the cafeteria. Being a new PN graduate I was checking out the listings. They're offering $13/hour for LPN's and $18.50 for RN's $19 an hour to run boxes over a scanner and bag a few groceries?
  2. by   charebec65
    Quote from ZASHAGALKA
    Don't be so quick to lay this at the 'evil Republicans' feet. The reason why this is such a huge problem is because it's a 'perfect storm' that both parties have a vested interest in creating.

    Democrats also turn a blind eye, in the hopes of creating a voting bloc.

    There's plenty of blame to go around.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.

    "Evil republican" was used in her post? I thought the post was talking about corporations.....and their bigwigs
  3. by   hope3456
    Quote from HM2Viking
    Very poor public policy because while some family members may be "illegal" what will happen to their children who are born here? (They are citizens by definition)

    If we cut off access to vaccination programs we are putting other children at risk

    I am not advocating an open door for immigration but I do think that we need to provide basic medical care for people. The demand for illegal workers is driven by business. Make it very expensive for businesses to be caught hiring illegals and we will reduce the number of immigrants.

    All children can get vaccinated through public health service (funded by federal dollars) for minimal cost - no matter what their residency status.

    I know this b/c I took my 4 mo. infant there to get the rotavirus vaccine - my insurance wouldnt cover it. It is pretty obvious this agency 'bends over backwards' to try to get kids immunized and to keep them current. Virtually no questions were asked - I didn't have to prove income or anything. I just explained the situation and they gave her the vaccination along with alot of encouragement to keep her current.

    The dr. office charges $70 per dose (they need 3) and public health - $15 per dose.

    However, Colorado is like 49th in the nation for children being current on thier vaccinations.
  4. by   TheCommuter
    Quote from charebec65
    Wow.... while my son was in surgery the other day I went down to the cafeteria to get a bite to eat. The hospital's job postings were near the cafeteria. Being a new PN graduate I was checking out the listings. They're offering $13/hour for LPN's and $18.50 for RN's $19 an hour to run boxes over a scanner and bag a few groceries?
    Yep. Unionized grocery stores pay high wages for semi-skilled and unskilled work (cashiers, stockers, meat clerks, deli servers, produce clerks).

    These same workers would be paid $7 to $9 at Wal-Mart, Target or K-Mart.
  5. by   cardiacRN2006
    Whew! What a long thread!

    I live in Southern Az, so I'm quite familiar with the crisis that having an abundance of illigal immigrants causes. First, they are usually bing paid under the table-so no taxes are coming into our system. Second they forge plenty of necessary documents to obtain our health insurance (AHCCS) food stamps, and other assorted public funds. Nevermind our crime rates here :car theft, home invasions, assaults...

    We have a metro population of nearly 1 million, but we only have one Level-1 trauma center becaause the other had to close on account of the massive amounts of money lost on illegal health care. I see it everyday. Everyday in the ER waiting room, unconscious & unresponsive border crossers in the ICU for weeks, filling up the urgent care lobby, and overwhelming the waiting rooms. Do you know how many times I have to search the hospital for my pts family members because the waiting room is filled with one family?

    Sometimes I feel as if our communities are barely surviving as a result of the massive toll they cause on our society. All this and they actually have the audacity to march in our streets carrying the Mexican flag while demanding, yes, demanding immigrant rights.

    Unbelievable.
  6. by   HM2VikingRN
    I am just asking people to remember that the parents may be here illegally but that if we cut off public food stamps or WIC to families with children that are born in the US that we are harming children who are our own citizens.

    I think the real challenge will end up being how are we going to temper justice with mercy for those families with children? If these families have been leading otherwise law abiding lives paying taxes, being good neighbors, staying out of trouble can't we as a society find a way to help them find a legal status that doesn't harm their children?
  7. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from HM2Viking

    If these families have been leading otherwise law abiding lives paying taxes, being good neighbors, staying out of trouble can't we as a society find a way to help them find a legal status that doesn't harm their children?
    How can they be law abiding people when they are living here illegally? By definition, they are constantly breaking the law.

    Do you know how many pregnant Mexican women have suffered and died in our blazing desert because of the thought of citizenship and all its perks for their unborn child?
  8. by   gauge14iv
    Quote from HM2Viking
    I am just asking people to remember that the parents may be here illegally but that if we cut off public food stamps or WIC to families with children that are born in the US that we are harming children who are our own citizens.

    I think the real challenge will end up being how are we going to temper justice with mercy for those families with children? If these families have been leading otherwise law abiding lives paying taxes, being good neighbors, staying out of trouble can't we as a society find a way to help them find a legal status that doesn't harm their children?
    But nearly ALL of them have kids!

    The better thing would be to find a way to make most of them legal - and to document those with criminal records so they can be shipped back - so that those who are are earnest and working hard to support families wouldn't have to live in fear, shame and squalor; So they could be proud of their contribution to society as a whole, and so they can be protected by wage and labor laws. Making them legal effectively gives them their "rights" but it also gives US something too - tax dollars and people who are proud to be here and who intend to stay and build lives here.

    I don't think across the board amnesty is necessarily the answer, but making the immigration system easier and faster to navigate definately needs to happen. I see a win - win on both sides of that coin, not only for immigrants but for us too.
  9. by   TheCommuter
    I know this post is going to be slightly off the subject, but here it is. It would be nice if more illegal immigrants settled in sparsely populated states such as Wyoming or North Dakota to alleviate the 'congestion' that has occurred in the border states of California, Texas, Arizona and New Mexico.
  10. by   ZASHAGALKA
    From a State perspective, Texas is better at dealing with taxes then California.

    Texas' main tax is a sales tax. If you spend money here, you are paying the State sales tax.

    California's main tax is income, and that DOES allow for under the table salaries to completely defeat the system.

    There is nothing inherent about our laws that stipulate that a child born on our soil is a citizen. Since their illegal parents are not subject to our legal status, neither should the 'fruit of a forbidden tree' be.

    From the 14th Amendment:

    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

    That's a two-part test. Being born on our soil as a result of the VIOLATION of our jurisdiction does not or SHOULD NOT meet that burden.

    This two-part test dealt with slavery issues post Civil War and had a specific connotation that does not apply to the children of illegal aliens. The purpose of this two-part test was that: the mere act of legally sanctioning and/or punishing a former slave served, under Constitutional precept, to establish his citizenship and all the rights thereof.

    This provision was designed to enforce gov't recognized citizenship status on all who were born here AND who live under our rule of law. It just isn't on point for someone that is born here by the process of UNDERMINING our rule of law.

    Simply put, it's not simply about the nationality of the land in question, but about the jurisdictional right to be there.

    Congress needs to weigh in on this issue and disabuse HHS of this misinterpretation by regulation. I've said this for years. For the FIRST TIME, in the immigration debate this summer, I've actually heard this concept discussed as a need for Congressional action.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Aug 25, '06
  11. by   HM2VikingRN
    Quote from cardiacRN2006
    How can they be law abiding people when they are living here illegally? By definition, they are constantly breaking the law.

    Do you know how many pregnant Mexican women have suffered and died in our blazing desert because of the thought of citizenship and all its perks for their unborn child?
    I don't like women and children dying in the desert any more than you do. If you read the tenor of my post I was not denying that a violation of the law had occurred. I was pointing out that we as a society may be harming children by our virulent rhetoric and policies. I don't think that the violation is continually recurring in a legal sense. I was trying to express that I believed that Justice should be tempered with mercy in the sense that if these people were otherwise living law-abiding lives that they could be held accountable for their mistakes but that we could also find a way for them to become legal. (Not with special treatment or favors but a way that does not force the division of parents from children.) I don't pretend to know the answers for immigration but I do know that nearly everyone in America comes from an immigrant background and that any one of our own ancestors may have jumped ship as it were to start a new life in America. Because of that simple fact I think we all need to be careful of becoming vengeful or pointing fingers at immigrants.

    IMO the real lawbreakers are the corporate titans who I think really facilitate illegal hiring with no real fear of consequences.
  12. by   HM2VikingRN
    Quote from gauge14iv
    But nearly ALL of them have kids!

    The better thing would be to find a way to make most of them legal - and to document those with criminal records so they can be shipped back - so that those who are are earnest and working hard to support families wouldn't have to live in fear, shame and squalor; So they could be proud of their contribution to society as a whole, and so they can be protected by wage and labor laws. Making them legal effectively gives them their "rights" but it also gives US something too - tax dollars and people who are proud to be here and who intend to stay and build lives here.

    I don't think across the board amnesty is necessarily the answer, but making the immigration system easier and faster to navigate definately needs to happen. I see a win - win on both sides of that coin, not only for immigrants but for us too.
    I agree!
  13. by   Sheri257
    Personally ... I used to be sympathetic to illegals until the one day march/walkout. That completely changed my mind.

    You come here illegally, you get free healthcare, schools, ... all kinds of social services ... and you're going to DEMAND that we give you more when you're breaking our laws? I don't think so.

    They go on and on about how the state of California once belonged to Mexico and that it somehow belongs to them now. If California did belong to Mexico THEY WOULDN'T WANT IT ANYMORE. They'd be illegally going to over to other states instead.

    The last straw was putting the National Anthem in Spanish. Enough already.

    I completely lost my sympathy for those people on that day.

    :typing
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Aug 26, '06

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