Colorado - Illegal Immigrants no longer eligble for state health care - page 5

Effective Aug. 1, state services, including the state health plans and welfare, will no longer be given to illegal immigrants in Colorado. This law, enacted by Gov. Bill Owens, in considered the... Read More

  1. by   casi
    There are too many uninsured legal Americans who can't afford health insurance and who let serious illnesses slide because they can't afford the care. Hopefully laws like this will help Americans get affordable health insurance from their Government.
  2. by   EDValerieRN
    Last month we had a trauma case involving an illegal alien, so INS came to the ER. You guys should have seen the mass exodus from the waiting room when those guys walked in... we were like a ghost town the whole day.

    I'm not sure what the solution here is. I do think that anyone should be allowed access to emergency care, regardless of whether they are legal or not. I do not, however, think it is fair that my mother and father don't have health insurance and they are both American citizens working full-time jobs, while my patients don't work at all, aren't citizens, and get their healthcare for free. I'm OK with cutting food stamps, welfare checks, and all that.. but cutting healthcare is a different ballgame... because either way, someone is going to have to pay.
  3. by   Asklepios
    I live in a predominantly caucasian area, but we do have a lot of illegals, and they use the ER as a doctor's office. Their kid has a sniffle, they take him to the ER. I had a kidney stone attack a few years and went to the ER. Going through the entrance felt like I was crossing the border into Mexico. Whole families were in there, taking up space. I had to wait 2 hours writhing in pain while uninsured illegals received treatment.

    I don't think anyone should be turned away if they are in a life threatening situation, but I also would like to see that, at some point during their visit, the person should be asked to produce verification that they are here legally. If not, someone in the hospital should have to call the police so the person can be arrested once they receive treatment. Maybe even make a holding cell next to the hospital so INS only has to come in once a day to get them all.

    I applaud the stance Colorado is taking. Federal and state funded services should be reserved for those who are in this country legally and have paid into those services as taxpayers.
  4. by   HM2VikingRN
    Molly Ivins on Immigration:

    Anyway, it was '83 or some year right around there when we held The Fence climbing contest. See, people talked about building The Fence back then, too. The Fence along the Mexican border. To keep Them out.
    At the time, the proposal was quite specific -- a 17-foot cyclone fence with bob wire at the top. So a test fence was built at Terlingua, and the First-Ever Terlingua Memorial Over, Under or Through Mexican Fence Climbing Contest took place. Prize: a case of Lone Star beer. Winning time: 30 seconds.
    I tell this story to make the one single point about the border and immigration we know to be true: The Fence will not work. No fence will work. The Great darn Wall of China will not work. Do not build a fence. It will not work. They will come anyway. Over, under or through.
    Some of you think a fence will work because Israel has one. Israel is a very small country. Anyone who says a fence can fix this problem is a demagogue and an ass.
  5. by   HM2VikingRN
    Quote from Asklepios
    I live in a predominantly caucasian area, but we do have a lot of illegals, and they use the ER as a doctor's office. Their kid has a sniffle, they take him to the ER. I had a kidney stone attack a few years and went to the ER. Going through the entrance felt like I was crossing the border into Mexico. Whole families were in there, taking up space. I had to wait 2 hours writhing in pain while uninsured illegals received treatment.

    I don't think anyone should be turned away if they are in a life threatening situation, but I also would like to see that, at some point during their visit, the person should be asked to produce verification that they are here legally. If not, someone in the hospital should have to call the police so the person can be arrested once they receive treatment. Maybe even make a holding cell next to the hospital so INS only has to come in once a day to get them all.

    I applaud the stance Colorado is taking. Federal and state funded services should be reserved for those who are in this country legally and have paid into those services as taxpayers.
    Molly Ivins (Again)
    Numero Two-o, should you actually want to stop Mexicans and OTMs (other than Mexicans) from coming to the United States, here is how to do it: Find an illegal worker at a large corporation. This is not difficult -- brooms and mops are big tip-offs. Then put the CEO of that corporation in prison for two or more years for violating the law against hiring illegal workers.

    I disagree with putting Hospital staff into the Immigration Law enforcement business. Too much potential risk of assault and violence being created by intrusive questioning. Also, please remember that if illegal aliens are working that they are probably using a social security number from a legal friend or relative to obtain the job. BUT they are paying taxes into the system through payroll withholding. Just my nickel......
  6. by   HM2VikingRN
    Quote from lizz
    In SoCal where, of course, we have a horrendous illegal problem ... the local news did a story on a construction project in the middle of Compton. Compton is an African American city where there are many impoverished residents who need jobs.

    Nevertheless, every single construction worker was an illegal from Mexico. The black community was up in arms about it because, obviously, they need those jobs. But the contractor would have to pay legal and, consequently, higher wages so ... they hired illegals instead.

    So, in that case at least, Americans did want those jobs. The contractor just didn't want to pay more.

    When you look at how much housing prices have gone up in California, you realize that illegals have done nothing but increase contractor profits. With housing prices doubling and tripling in the last five years, there's plenty of money to pay decent wages and still make a substantial profit. But the contractors are simply greedy.

    I can't tell you how many illegals are working in construction just in my neighborhood alone.

    :typing
    Aggressively prosecute the contractors for breaking the law!
  7. by   steelydanfan
    When corporate America can abuse, shortchange and underpay it's workers, it will. It as seen as "good management".
    They will do all they can to stymie unions in the workplace, lobby against minimum wage hikes, and protest against collective bargaining rules.
    AND turn a blind eye against the proliferation of ILLEGAL workers in this country.
    WHY? Because they don't CARE about living wages; only about PROFIT.
    Our hospital recently hired a CEO, late of MCA, and already we are having our staffing ratios in ICU challenged.
    WE are MANDATED by Ca. law, but this toad thinks he can circumvent them.
  8. by   fgoff
    I agree with Asklepios!! We call the police from the ER or anywhere else inthe hospital when a law is broken by our citizens. If the person is here illegally then we should call INS... What part of illegal is not understood here?

    Health Care & Food stamps are only one part of the problem what about driving with out insurance.
    Moving three or more families into single family homes causing sanitation problems for commumities????
  9. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Quote from cateccrn
    When corporate America can abuse, shortchange and underpay it's workers, it will. It as seen as "good management".
    Don't be so quick to lay this at the 'evil Republicans' feet. The reason why this is such a huge problem is because it's a 'perfect storm' that both parties have a vested interest in creating.

    Democrats also turn a blind eye, in the hopes of creating a voting bloc.

    There's plenty of blame to go around.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
  10. by   charebec65
    Quote from lizz
    ...Nevertheless, the line has to be drawn somewhere. I often wonder how many illegals would cross the border if all of these free services weren't available. To a certain extent, free healthcare, free schools, etc. have got to be driving illegal immigration as much as anything else.

    Afterall, they're being paid slave wages. If everything else wasn't free ... maybe it wouldn't be as worthwhile to come here.

    :typing
    I agree with the first paragraph....... My only question is about the slave wages. I'll not argue that they're making much less than typical. However, how is it they walk around with huge wads of cash in their pockets? How are they driving such nice cars? Cars that I can't afford and my DH makes good money.

    I live in a city of about 17,000. Our total minority population is about 5% if I had to guess. We have a bit of a slummy area of the city like every other city. It's weird to drive by one of these more run down homes and in the driveway are $30,000 + vehicles in the driveway.....and yard since there are 4 or 5 of them, too many to fit in the driveway.

    Don't get me wrong. I have no problem with Hispanics or anyone else. My beef is with anyone, from any other country, who is here illegally. If you want to live in the US, be here legally, obey the laws and pay taxes like I do.

    Insofar is illgals getting welfare, etc. All they have to to is collapse a foot within the US border and deliver their baby which makes that baby a citizen and eligible for welfare, food stamps, medicaid, wic, etc. Our laws are just way too lax. If you get caught in another country beyond your Visa, they'll imprison you.
    Last edit by charebec65 on Aug 25, '06
  11. by   TheCommuter
    Quote from HM2Viking
    BUT they are paying taxes into the system through payroll withholding.
    Illegal immigrants also tend to utilize more forms of public assistance than their measly payroll deductions realistically pay for.
  12. by   TheCommuter
    Quote from fgoff
    Moving three or more families into single family homes causing sanitation problems for commumities????
    This is a rampant problem in my California hometown. Six families moved into an 1,100 square foot 3-bedroom home across the street. To create more space for all of these adults and children, a handyman converted the 2-car garage into three more tiny bedrooms. What amazes me is the fact that all of the adults drove newer, nice cars. Parking was also a huge issue, as there are only 2 parking spaces in the driveway and 3 parking spaces in front of the house. Since the house only had 1 bathroom, it was common to see adults and children urinating into buckets on the side of the house.
  13. by   charebec65
    Quote from Asklepios
    I don't think anyone should be turned away if they are in a life threatening situation, but I also would like to see that, at some point during their visit, the person should be asked to produce verification that they are here legally. .
    Every time I go to the hospital or a testing center I have to produce my driver's license before receiving tx. Though I was born in the town in which I live, I still had to produce a birth certificate and social security card to get t his license.

    My teenage son had to be seen in the ER a few months ago. He was 18 (an adult) but still in high school and still on our insurance. He had to produce his driver's license before receiving tx.

    I think they do this to avoid insurance fraud but why not make it common practice everywhere?

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