"Shift goes to the lowest bidder..." - page 5

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  1. by   grouchy
    Lots of people have made good points about the downside of this scheme. But what is the difference between this lowball bidding system and the rest of the nonunion nursing world? It's just more explicit, as far as I can tell.
  2. by   AndiMac
    well, as long as you're working for what you feel you're worth, and they aren't highering drug thieving scumballs and the like, i don't think it's to bad.
  3. by   Geeg
    This is just another way to make nurses compete with each other for work. This just furthers the admin's divide and conquer agenda.
  4. by   -jt
    I dont understand why the "prize" has to go to the LOWEST bidder and why nurses are underselling themselves. Theres a SHORTAGE of nurses who are willing to work in hospitals!! The ones who are still willing should be writing their own ticket - not undercutting themselves. I swear there must be something inherently wrong with the mentality of people who become nurses. What other profession would do this to itself? Why do we feel we arent deserving and have to constantly be the ones to compromise? This lowest-bid-wins thing a just another way to lower nurses wages.

    Look at it this way: Agency nurses are making about $55/hr - not to mention what the hospital pays to the agency itself. All together it might be more like $80/hr (or more) that the hospital is spending on agency & agency nurses. So it wants to use less agency. Fine but if it was paying $50-80/hr to the agency, staff nurses do not have to go as low as $30/hr for the hospital to save money. Youre underselling yourselves in a time of low supply and high demand. Its economically illogical! (and not very business savvy either). Geeezzzz... even the guy who built the deck in my backyard last summer charged an extra $500 because of the high demand for his kind of work that time of year. And I had to pay it cause he was the only one available!

    A suggestion for those who want to engage in bidding for work -

    Value yourselves and make a pact with each other that you will not bid below a certain number.... and make it a number that is just a little less than what the hospital is paying the agency nurse AND the agency combined.

    Need a starting point?

    New grad ADNs in NYC are starting their first RN jobs with a base salary of about $30/hr already. Time and a half for overtime comes to $45/hr - excluding BSN and shift differentials. If all your nurses bid no lower than $45/hr - $50/hr, that IS the lowest bid and they have to pay it, whether the nurse is p/t or not, no? The hospital is STILL saving tons of money and the nurses would be getting more of what theyre worth - without selling each other out.
    Last edit by -jt on Dec 9, '03
  5. by   cannoli
    I'm only commenting here on agency pay which differs greatly depending on what part of the country one is in.

    I make only $26.00 an hour as an RN working agency.
    Last edit by cannoli on Dec 15, '03
  6. by   Andy RN
    I read the same article. As a nurse who works primarily with other nurses. I found the article unappealing at first, but I realized that was my own prejudices. Upon further review of the article it states that the hospital who initiated that policy also reduced its nurse vacancy rate from 11% to 4%. that is a huge difference. The option also gave more of an incentive to it's incumbant employees and created nits which were more well staffed. I think it is a good idea and that more hospitals should use that incentive for their employees. It would reduce Agency usage.. But that is just my thoughts...
  7. by   mattsmom81
    My facility has utilized this method in the past to get last minute staff...by posting a bonus shift list ...where signers would get an extra hundred bucks, say, to pick it up.

    They stopped doing this and now their practice is contract nurses through the corporate owned agency.

    They seem to valu these corporate contractors more than the facility PRNs.
  8. by   Andy RN
    Matt,

    I agree with you that it must be pretty frustrating for you to see contract nurses working in your unit. And I also agree that it would appear that your institution values them more than you. Although I would like to play devil's advocate for a momonet. I would bet my pension that your facility is doing the same thing as many other instiutions are, and that would be to ensure their incumbant staff is well covered. Those same contract nurses actually make less that a permanent staff nurse in the long run. Usually there is no benefits attached to their employment other than health insurance. They have no 403b and no way of climbing that clinical ladder. You are 100% right when you say success is the best revenge, but hospitals are trying to balance their increasing patient loads and providing their staff with quality employment. If you cannot staff a hospital, nurses would have many more issues to speak of. The solution is to back each other up and support those who are within your profession. Welome those contract nurses, and they will help you out. Also remember that what ever they are making, at the end of the day subtracting all the benefits and privilages you have as a FT employee you make a great deal more per hour than they do.
    Just some food for thought.
    Sincerely,
    Andrew L. Harer RN, BSN
  9. by   cannoli
    As an RN, I make $26.00 an hour working agency. When I worked at the same hospital as a PRN employee, I made $25.00 an hour and that was with a $2.00 shift differential included. On the weekend, I made $28.00 an hour as a PRN employee. Through the agency the weekend pay is $27.00.

    You may think agency makes big bucks, and someplaces maybe they do, but I don't, and I don't have the benefits of 401K, etc.
  10. by   Andy RN
    Connoli,

    I believe in my statement I did recognize that agency personell do not have benefits afforded to them. In fact I was arguing in your behalf. In fact at a rate of $27 per hour you are actually in the top fifth percentile for nurses. I would like to know where you work. If you are in NYC then you are comparing yourself to a system which needs to pay at higher rates due to higher standards of living. I gues I have a few more questions for you. How many years have you been a nurse? Do you work many off shifts? Is there mandatory overtime being implemented where you are? What would you say is a fair salary for your work? Keep in mind at 27 or 28 dollars an hour you are grossing almost 60 grand per year. Im my oppinion that is alot of money. So in summation, not to be offensive, I do not beleive you truly read my reply to Matt. In my reply I stated the need for nurses to work together despite contract or internal.
  11. by   cannoli
    Andy RN, my reply was not directed to you, and I am not arguing with you, I was making a statement in general, as a previous post indicated that agency make $55 an hour. I read your reply to Matt and as I said I was not replying directly to you.

    I don't gross $60,000 a year, for 2003 my gross is $2979.00.

    One shouldn't assume.

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