Is my drug addiction really that much worse than her alcoholism? - page 2
by Magsulfate 6,183 Views | 41 Comments
This morning I noticed something, and it didn't really upset me, it just confirmed what I've been told over and over.. and what I thought I've seen in the past. I was skimming through the posts here, in the recovery forum..... Read More
- 2Quote from SuesquatchRNAs I said in a previous post, ETOH has never been something I used to the point of intoxication. Opioids are my drug of choice. I attend AA meetings almost exclusively. Why? Because they are closer than the NA meetings. Also, I find many of the folks at the NA groups I've attended were significantly younger than I am. If I need a meeting, I'll attend whatever is closest. I've been clean for over 14 years. I get what I need from any 12 Step meeting I go to...even if it's Al-Anon. The 12 Steps work if you work them...it doesn't matter if it's AA or NA...unless of course YOU believe there is a difference, which you obviously do. An addict who truly desires recovery will see the similarities regardless of the title of the meeting or the substance they call their drug of choice. Likewise, the chemically dependent person who looks for the differences will find those as well.mag, it isn't a matter of being beneath anyone. It is that if you are not alcoholic AA is not a place where you belong. While I certainly wish you well in your journey, it is a different one than mine. Not everyone with any addiction - food, cigarettes, crack - belongs at an AA meeting even if they do meet the "desire to stop drinking" requirement.
I hope that you have many vital, supportive, helpful NA groups available to you. I will not, however, see you at those meetings. I would be an intruder, and there under false pretense. Nor could I add much to the group's collective experience, strength and hope, not having recovered from the same thing you did.
Mag...you brought up an excellent topic. In thinking back over the past 14 years I recall being told at some AA meetings, "If you're not an alcoholic, you shouldn't be here." I can't recall anyone saying that to an alcoholic attending an NA meeting.
I haven't had that problem since I introduce myself as, "My name is Jack, and I'm addicted to MORE."
- 0Quote from jackstemSo now addicts are better than drunks? Kettle, pot.In thinking back over the past 14 years I recall being told at some AA meetings, "If you're not an alcoholic, you shouldn't be here." I can't recall anyone saying that to an alcoholic attending an NA meeting.
As usual, Bill W. says it better than I can.
I'm out of this. It's clear, now, that this thread was started to complain about alcoholics, not have a dispassionate exchange.
- 1May 23, '09 by 2BSureQuote from MagsulfateReally that is not what I said so please do not put it in quotations.SO, you're saying that a person educated in addiction/recovery will still see alcoholism as 'better than drug addiction'?
As for non-alcoholics going to AA meetings I never experienced this until I came to this country. But NA was extremely strong in England. I am a bit of an AA purest in that I do not believe that AA can help someone who is not an alcoholic. Also, this insistence in going to AA meetings rather than NA (or CA or whatever) harms other fellowships who need the support of clean people to attend, sponsor and participate in their 7th tradition.
Now if you come to an AA meeting because you can't get to another 12 step meeting by all means do so -- but why would someone insist on introducing themselves as an "addict" and maybe even proceed to speak about their opiate problem in front of a bunch of alcoholics? It is a little disrespectful to others in the meeting. I no more want to hear about heroin or any other craving than I want to hear about how some sex addict (who popped into AA because it was closer, we were older or stronger in our program) has a toe fetish that was triggered by my wearing sandals....to an AA meeting. Sheesh!
I confess I find it funny to be essentially called a snob. A snobbish alcoholic is a bit of a contradiction but a funny one.
When there was no AA meeting where I lived in England I started one. I sat there every Saturday night for a couple of months and just read the Big Book on my own. Eventually someone came, then another and so on. We grew to about a dozen.
- 2May 23, '09 by MagsulfateIt's ironic that my OP just keeps getting confirmed by the responses that I"m getting.
I am just sitting here smiling, shaking my head.
Jack, as I sit here and think a little more about the criminal aspect, you are right. I'm not sure I did anything criminal until after I was addicted. I don't know the statistics, but one definitely cannot say that there is not a criminal aspect to alcoholism. There is, in both, they are alike - just like I said in the OP. I like the way you explain the scientific findings of an addict/alcoholic.
I just wish that the sentiment was a little kinder to me when I was reaching out. I admit, there was a slight setback early during my recover until I realized I would have to do the 12 steps on my own. It worked out pretty good, and thank God for online resources or I would have just been sitting at home wallowing in my misery and thinking it was my own fault they didn't want me there. Thankfully I realized early on that it wasn't.
I'm not sure that there is anything that can be done besides education of the general public. Even then it doesn't really matter. What is it all for? I don't know,, so I just keep trying. Right now it is my turn to try and help the recovering nurse. I have never differentiated the nurses by the substances they are recovering from, and I honestly believe that each one of them are in the same boat and need help none the less.
- 3May 23, '09 by Miss MabI think your prior negative experiences are overly influencing your read of these boards.JMO
I read your OP and immediately had a reaction as why this 'thanks' thing might be happening.
AA meetings and 'culture' in general seem to do a lot more of the 'thank you' for sharing, 'thank you' for your service, etc., from my perspective, much more than NA and likely any of the other "A" groups. I know it's a common theme among all but just seems adherence to the particular phrasing is more 'entrenched' within AA than others. Some might actually view this as bad.
It just is....