Meeting AHPRA requirements as a International Trained Nurse from the Philippines

[Silverdragon102]

New thread discussing meeting APHRA requirements if trained in the Philippines.

Resources

Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency (AHPRA)

International registration / Nurses / Home - Nursing Council of New Zealand

Part 1 thread New grad Filipino nurse wanting to work in Australia/New Zealand

Part 2 thread New grad Filipino nurse wanting to work in Australia/New Zealand

I have started a thread in the Immigration for Immigration requirements for Australia/New Zealand

[official02]

Now, if anyone of us would be willing and be very generous to subscribe and pay for 45 dollars for us to view the categories of our schools?

I am willing to contribute. Hahahaha!

[jmolina1985]

Now now, I don't think PM Abbott has anything to do with it, he can't even get people to listen to him so his views alone will not influence the decisions.

AHPRA is an agency widely criticized even among Australians and you will find allegations of incompetence and inefficiency against the agency but on their own, I do not think they would do such a thing that will potentially embarrass Australia for being unfair. Them suddenly implementing these changes without proper contingency measures does not sound very unlikely then.

My conversation with people gives me 2 trends: Local graduates are losing ground against the influx of IQNMs and even those doing a one year course is competing with IQNMs. Unfair or not, AHPRA and NMBA "improving" their standards has nothing to do with the labor market. In my opinion only, Local graduates having difficulties are either being disillusioned with the actual job market or unwilling to move to regional areas or compromise their schedules while employers of course would like to have increased leverage over them. IQNMs are filling this gap but even so, there is limited number of employers willing to sponsor.

Trend number 2 is that some candidates who completed the Bridging course are actually being a risk to the Australian public because they are inadequately trained or have falsified their documents to show that they have completed a degree in nursing. Now there, that sounds more plausible.

It would make more sense to limit the 457 visas or flag nursing to be removed from the SOL (like what is happening to some fields of engineering and accounting) if foreign nurses were such a threat but they haven't because the agency forecasting the labor needs still has not recommended so and this agency has the mandate to keep an eye on the demands, not AHPRA or NMBA.

It is a relief to know that the consultancy firm told you that LOEs are still being issued. That is good and hopeful that if you satisfied all the requirements then an LOE can be potentially issued.

The letters that were sent to some posters here, saying that Filipino educated nurses may fail to meet number of criteria.

And yet, we have news of LOEs being issued although in small numbers. They are being cautious and critical of the qualifications. Take into consideration the posters who are distressed that their schools have no idea how to fulfill criteria 2 & 8. It would be awful if their institution wasn't actually accredited and maybe these cases will fail to meet a number of criteria. I am also certain that these people have forwarded their concerns to AHPRA.

My previous LOE (which expired because it was not feasible for me to undertake the BP then) was issued after 7 months and that was through the old system even then some people waited for over a year, we will find out in October but for now perhaps its best to plan for the worst case scenario.

As for the AEI-NOOSR CEP, it's just too expensive. Won't help us anyway unless we intend to appeal AHPRA's decision but while none has been made, it will just fuel our anxiety.

[ordoghaz]

Isn't the school levels related to level of paascu aacreditation? I think one of the problems is that our curriculum include a lot of subjects you don't need in nursing, whereas most European countries and Americans they have A-levels and gCSe where they study basic chemistry, science and math. Our degree if you had AHsE before BSN on your diploma , it's an associate degree. Level one schools like UP and UST have a different system, their nursing I believe goes straight to BSN. That's why most of ours is in a dodgy grey area.

[official02]

Now now, I don't think PM Abbott has anything to do with it, he can't even get people to listen to him so his views alone will not influence the decisions.AHPRA is an agency widely criticized even among Australians and you will find allegations of incompetence and inefficiency against the agency but on their own, I do not think they would do such a thing that will potentially embarrass Australia for being unfair. Them suddenly implementing these changes without proper contingency measures does not sound very unlikely then.My conversation with people gives me 2 trends: Local graduates are losing ground against the influx of IQNMs and even those doing a one year course is competing with IQNMs. Unfair or not, AHPRA and NMBA "improving" their standards has nothing to do with the labor market. In my opinion only, Local graduates having difficulties are either being disillusioned with the actual job market or unwilling to move to regional areas or compromise their schedules while employers of course would like to have increased leverage over them. IQNMs are filling this gap but even so, there is limited number of employers willing to sponsor.Trend number 2 is that some candidates who completed the Bridging course are actually being a risk to the Australian public because they are inadequately trained or have falsified their documents to show that they have completed a degree in nursing. Now there, that sounds more plausible.It would make more sense to limit the 457 visas or flag nursing to be removed from the SOL (like what is happening to some fields of engineering and accounting) if foreign nurses were such a threat but they haven't because the agency forecasting the labor needs still has not recommended so and this agency has the mandate to keep an eye on the demands, not AHPRA or NMBA.It is a relief to know that the consultancy firm told you that LOEs are still being issued. That is good and hopeful that if you satisfied all the requirements then an LOE can be potentially issued.The letters that were sent to some posters here, saying that Filipino educated nurses may fail to meet number of criteria. And yet, we have news of LOEs being issued although in small numbers. They are being cautious and critical of the qualifications. Take into consideration the posters who are distressed that their schools have no idea how to fulfill criteria 2 & 8. It would be awful if their institution wasn't actually accredited and maybe these cases will fail to meet a number of criteria. I am also certain that these people have forwarded their concerns to AHPRA. My previous LOE (which expired because it was not feasible for me to undertake the BP then) was issued after 7 months and that was through the old system even then some people waited for over a year, we will find out in October but for now perhaps its best to plan for the worst case scenario. As for the AEI-NOOSR CEP, it's just too expensive. Won't help us anyway unless we intend to appeal AHPRA's decision but while none has been made, it will just fuel our anxiety.

I don't know how many of the clients of the Australian consultancy owner got LOE but I believe it is still a small number. Are they from Category 1 schools? I don't know. On the other hand, I know one who's from a category 1 school but still waiting for bout 8 months now.

[official02]

Isn't the school levels related to level of paascu aacreditation? I think one of the problems is that our curriculum include a lot of subjects you don't need in nursing, whereas most European countries and Americans they have A-levels and gCSe where they study basic chemistry, science and math. Our degree if you had AHsE before BSN on your diploma , it's an associate degree. Level one schools like UP and UST have a different system, their nursing I believe goes straight to BSN. That's why most of ours is in a dodgy grey area.

UP and UST still has gen ad subjects. That is CHED's mandate. After K-12, I think students will get a more concentrated subjects.Still waiting, let's keep our hopes high!

[jmolina1985]

I agree that the Philippine tertiary curriculum is encumbered by minor units which has so actual bearing to the degree being pursued. Why that is, that even college freshmen ask, I'll never know. Really, it is demeaning and has cost us Filipinos a competitive edge in the global market for human resource (from an equivalency standpoint).

And no, I do not think PAASCU has anything to do with school levels in this context. AEI-NOOSR is an independent framework established by the Australian Government to assess potential immigrants and their qualifications (based on the assessed level of the institution the individual graduated from). While it is seldomly used directly, it is often a reference point for assessment bodies.

[ordoghaz]

I see..

well, to be honest, at this point jn time we all just have to wait and see what happens.

[jasm02]

@ordoghaz

Hi! If you dont mind me asking, when did you lodge your ahpra application? You graduated from rtr right?

[ordoghaz]

Oh yeah. Feb 2014. Do I know you ? Lol

[official02]

Hi guys!

AHPRA and NMBA will be running a twitter chat on September 05, 2014 5PM AEST for IQNM questions.

Follow @AHPRA on Twitter and fire them up with our questions.

[cvekowalska]

Hi guys! I just went in AHPRA office this afternoon in sydney.. im the only one who was there with the staff and they arent so busy.

I just brought my papers I thought it'll help with my application, MAN diploma, TOR, course description and outline. BSN course description etc.

I also got a chance to ask questions with the front desk in charge of receiving the applications.

First, i asked her how long would it take? She said Its quite long, it should take a minimum of 4 months up to 6 months for those with international qualification..(hoping for that to happen)

Second, is it true that there is no bridging for filo nurses anymore? I known some applicants who were partially refused.. She said, each decision from the board is according to an individuals assessment, so, you should only compare your qualifications with the AQF(aussi qualification framework) not with other applicants. So, it depends on what evidences and documents you submit.

Third, is there an approved Philippines trained nurse since they implemented the new iqnm? She said, actually, when you are given a letter of endorsement to do the bridging you are being refused for the initial registration.. thats why you need to do the bp first, and yes there are phil. Nurses given LOE to do bridging under the new IQNM. It all depends on what you give us thats why we ask for so many documents..

Thank you! She said, have a great day! Bye! And thats it.. I walk out in the ahpra office today with good faith..

..for you guys waiting for some updates lets connect.. [email protected]

Filipino nurses who gained considerable experience in the US or UK are usually not required to undergo bridging program.

Overseas application takes time given verification of documents and each applicant is assessed individually.

When Filipino nurses start working in an Australian facility - they then would realize why it is important to undergo the bridging process. The System is very different from the Philippines and Australia even medications!

[jotdi]

hi,

AHPRA (melbourne) just received my application and my registration officer is asking for the certificate of good standing.

I have a few questions.

1. Since DHL/LBC can not deliver to a P.O. Box address, is this the correct physical adress[TABLE]

[TR]

[TD]Victoria[/TD]

[TD]AHPRA

G.P.O. Box 9958

Melbourne VIC 3001[/TD]

[TD]Level 8, 111 Bourke Street

Melbourne VIC 3000[/TD]

[TD]to where i can send my good standing certificate?[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

2. When will they ask for the IELTS official TRF be sent to them?

3. Can i send the other requirements like criterion 8 to the same address?

Thank you!