CA Board of Nursing - page 14

i was eligible to sit for the nclex for California. wow.. so i took my exam this september, went the distance all 265 questions. unfortunately i didnt pass. got my results and "near passing... Read More

  1. Visit  RN_Marie profile page
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    Recalling Filipino graduates from 2004 does not make any sense. CaBON have revised the curriculum and was in effect on 2010. If they use that as an excuse, then they will have to recall ALL the nurses that graduated and was licensed from 2004-2010 because ALL (including California graduates) were not following board academic regulations.
  2. Visit  nihaojailan profile page
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    the 2004 - 2010 recall is beyond ridiculous! is that even information or gossip?

    1. they clearly already lack evaluators! to re-evaluate 2004 -2010 graduates will require so much time & manpower!
    2. what significantly happened in 2004 - 2010 to cause a recall? because as far as i can remember there was hiring hype of nurses 2004-2005 and they did not have problems then.
    3. these nurses have experience already (except 2010's one of course) they know patient code of conduct and rights probably maybe in their sleep even. it's what their thinking, breathing, doing for these past years. isn't that the primary reason of nclex?
    4. some of these nurses hold managerial positions, some are organization leaders even! what will happen to their subordinates once their leaders' licenses are revoked? that they were lead by a substandard nurse? well... there goes your team morale.
    5. and more importantly, how will the public make of this? that the board approved nurses once, worked so many years and then one day decided to take their licenses away? that nurses were oh, not fit to practice safely for the public? that the populace has been under the hands of sub-par nurses for so many years? come on! that's a lawsuit waiting to happen!
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  3. Visit  konoha profile page
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    hello jpinay28, do you have any current news about this concurrency issue? have you heard of anyone getting their att already? thanks.
  4. Visit  honeypie2008 profile page
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    @ nihaojailan yeah i agree with u.. i dnt think its true about recalling those people who graduated 2004 onwards.. there's no way for them to take our liscense away it would never happen, im pretty sure for that.. its a long long way for them to do that too much burden and work for them..
  5. Visit  greenjungle profile page
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    Quote from nihaojailan
    the 2004 - 2010 recall is beyond ridiculous! is that even information or gossip? 1. they clearly already lack evaluators! to re-evaluate 2004 -2010 graduates will require so much time & manpower!2. what significantly happened in 2004 - 2010 to cause a recall? because as far as i can remember there was hiring hype of nurses 2004-2005 and they did not have problems then. 3. these nurses have experience already (except 2010's one of course) they know patient code of conduct and rights probably maybe in their sleep even. it's what their thinking, breathing, doing for these past years. isn't that the primary reason of nclex?4. some of these nurses hold managerial positions, some are organization leaders even! what will happen to their subordinates once their leaders' licenses are revoked? that they were lead by a substandard nurse? well... there goes your team morale.5. and more importantly, how will the public make of this? that the board approved nurses once, worked so many years and then one day decided to take their licenses away? that nurses were oh, not fit to practice safely for the public? that the populace has been under the hands of sub-par nurses for so many years? come on! that's a lawsuit waiting to happen!
    very well said for this concurrency thing.
  6. Visit  Rntopaz profile page
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    To nursewholikesnursingCan you give me your e mail add coz i want more info about the classes at sfsu....i also received a letter about med surg deficiency... Lives at the bay area so i would like to inquire about it too....please!
  7. Visit  sallyp911 profile page
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    Quote from nihaojailan
    the 2004 - 2010 recall is beyond ridiculous! is that even information or gossip?

    1. they clearly already lack evaluators! to re-evaluate 2004 -2010 graduates will require so much time & manpower!
    2. what significantly happened in 2004 - 2010 to cause a recall? because as far as i can remember there was hiring hype of nurses 2004-2005 and they did not have problems then.
    3. these nurses have experience already (except 2010's one of course) they know patient code of conduct and rights probably maybe in their sleep even. it's what their thinking, breathing, doing for these past years. isn't that the primary reason of nclex?
    4. some of these nurses hold managerial positions, some are organization leaders even! what will happen to their subordinates once their leaders' licenses are revoked? that they were lead by a substandard nurse? well... there goes your team morale.
    5. and more importantly, how will the public make of this? that the board approved nurses once, worked so many years and then one day decided to take their licenses away? that nurses were oh, not fit to practice safely for the public? that the populace has been under the hands of sub-par nurses for so many years? com e on! that's a lawsuit waiting to happen!
    what they (other ph co-workers) have been hearing is that yes, the ca bon can enforce their rules. what will probably happen is what is already happening in either vt or va, where by nurses with decades of experience but without a bsn degree must complete their bsn degree within a 3-4 year period or they will be terminated. here tho', it's because the older nurses only have the diploma degree, lvn type degree or aa degree or a degree that's not a true bsn degree and they too have very high positions from managment to educators.

    in most states, we have what's known as a "at-will employment"....from a lawyer's website... like many other states, california is an at-will state for most jobs, unless specified otherwise in a specific employment contract. at-will has also been called a ‘right to fire’ and a ‘right to hire’ state. this means that for most employees, you can be fired for many reasons, including your employer just not liking you. many times, an employee will want to bring a wrongful termination suit against their employer, only to find out that your employer may have been morally wrong in firing you, but they have done nothing legally wrong.

    ca bon has already set the precedent with denying any excelsior college from regaining their rn license back.

    i'm sure the lawsuits will be filed, but it's already been a proven case since 2006, which backdates to 2003. so in most cases, if one signed the at-will agreement, you have to comply with it and most likely, spend all that money, spend years in the court and still end in the same place of being let go. yes, it's a different type case but they can use that argument to enforce this new possible situation. if you have not yet read the actual filing of the courts ruling, i posted it on another thread somewhere.

    but they will be an option: i think what will happen is that the ca bon will simply either not renew their licenses or they will renew their license under a "conditional rule" but they too have to 3-4 years to complete the proper courses as spelled out in the 2003 rules and regulations or be asked to quit voluntarily or be forced out. should they drop out of the class courses or college, then the conditional rule would invalidate their license and they would have to stop practicing, since they are no longer a nurse and it's a hugh liability for the hospital and their insurance companies. it's like having a medical doctor having his/her medical licenses taken away.

    remember that to become a ca rn, it's a privilege, not a right. a privilege that came be revoked or suspended, just like a driver's license.

    yes, i agree with the morale issues etc, but the reality is that there's always someone else waiting to get promoted, be it a bad person or a very good person, life goes on.
    Last edit by sallyp911 on Feb 24, '12 : Reason: added info
  8. Visit  iibernardii profile page
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    Hi elvinze.. Im from UPHS Binan. Can I have your email. I need to ask something from about this issue.. Here's my email add if you don't mind. iibernardii@yahoo.com Thanks!
  9. Visit  elvinze profile page
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    Quote from iibernardii
    Hi elvinze.. Im from UPHS Binan. Can I have your email. I need to ask something from about this issue.. Here's my email add if you don't mind. iibernardii@yahoo.com Thanks!
    Hi iibernardii, sure! Nice to know that i'm not alone as perpetualites jonelta. Here's mine francine_edv@yahoo.com. What year did you graduated? Did you applied for RN licensure? It seems like we don't really have a choice. It's so freakin' frustating. I already talked to the evaluator before and even the board passers from 2004 to present need to comply with the boards new policy if not the BON will not renew their license. Crazy but true.
  10. Visit  iibernardii profile page
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    Hi elvinze.. I graduated 2006. Yes, I did re-apply 4th week of january 2012, and got the letter 2 weeks later. And just like the others, they want me to give them a copy of Clinical Cases. Same story.. But I'm not giving them a copy yet. Instead I will send them a letter to reevaluate/re-check my application. Asking them that maybe they overlooked at my application knowing that I am not a New Graduate, I have a working experience and I have SS#. Just taking a shot maybe they would give me another chance! Let's see what happens..
  11. Visit  nihaojailan profile page
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    @ Sallyp911, are there more tangible information regarding the issue? What are your PH workers actually saying? Because almost PH graduates are BSN degrees, and very rarely are there LVN type diplomas from the Philippines. It's totally acceptable if they enforce new rules or reinforce stricter rules on their licensing as they move forward to the year, but these nurses who were already licensed from 2004 - 2010, should they be punished? after all, they provided care when the state was in dire need of.

    I also understand what you mean by the privilege and right angle, but since these nurses have already worked and cared for California's constituents for so long, aren't they entitled for a due process at least? instead of just taking away their licenses in a snap?

    Has anybody in your PH-Coworkers experience renewing difficulties?
  12. Visit  elvinze profile page
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    Quote from iibernardii
    Hi elvinze.. I graduated 2006. Yes, I did re-apply 4th week of january 2012, and got the letter 2 weeks later. And just like the others, they want me to give them a copy of Clinical Cases. Same story.. But I'm not giving them a copy yet. Instead I will send them a letter to reevaluate/re-check my application. Asking them that maybe they overlooked at my application knowing that I am not a New Graduate, I have a working experience and I have SS#. Just taking a shot maybe they would give me another chance! Let's see what happens..
    Hi. I think asking them to re-check or re-evaluate your credentials won't work. You better talk your evaluator in person like what I did but still it didn't work. You know my evaluator show me how she evaluated and checked my transcript and clinical rotation and I was shocked on what i saw. She really checked it one by one. The schedule of classes and topics to the hospital duties and area and she sticked post its to every subjects that she saw not concurrent. They are actually checking every information one by one. Anyway let see what will happen. don't forget to post it here just to have an idea. Thanks
  13. Visit  sallyp911 profile page
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    Quote from nihaojailan
    @ Sallyp911, are there more tangible information regarding the issue? What are your PH workers actually saying? Because almost PH graduates are BSN degrees, and very rarely are there LVN type diplomas from the Philippines. It's totally acceptable if they enforce new rules or reinforce stricter rules on their licensing as they move forward to the year, but these nurses who were already licensed from 2004 - 2010, should they be punished? after all, they provided care when the state was in dire need of.

    I also understand what you mean by the privilege and right angle, but since these nurses have already worked and cared for California's constituents for so long, aren't they entitled for a due process at least? instead of just taking away their licenses in a snap?

    Has anybody in your PH-Coworkers experience renewing difficulties?
    Just to make some clarifications:

    (a). I'm not sure if you followed the thread closely and maybe I didn't make myself clear, but I was referring to my sister-in-law PH co-workers.

    (b). The degrees I was referring to was the out of state nurses NOT from the PH at all, but rather the older nurse's who probably still wear their old white striped hats from the Nightingale days. They are being forced to get their BSN degree, so you can imagine the hardship of going back to college with their own same aged daughter's or maybe grand-daughter's and the expenses and the time to study.

    (c). Due process you speak of only applies to those nurses that have been fired and or disciplined for mistreatment of a patient, misconduct and other type of offenses. The non-renewal of one's RN license is up to the CA BON, there's an appeal process, but for now, the rules are going to be further enforced and like a driver's license, it can be revoked or suspended for whatever reasons if it doesn't meet the minimum requirements. It seems like however, the affected nurses can still get their licenses renewed as a "conditional" one, meaning that they have the same 3-4 years to get their classes together like those in the other states. My sister-in-law's co-workers have been hearing that lately.

    (d). Yes, it's sad to say even with their long service and devout dedication to the hospital and patients, if it means they are let go, to the hospital and even it's top managers, NM, HR, etc, it's all business. Yes, the patients will sorely miss their favorite nurse(s). But that's the cruel and harsh reality of any workplace.

    (e). In this same thread, you'll see that other posters are already experiencing the CA renewal process of having to now present better documentation of their college courses taken as posted recently by ElvinZE and iibernardii. Btw, guys, good luck with your renewals!


    Since those affected licenses were granted under a unenforced requirement(s), it doesn't mean that one gets an automatic license come renewal and review times. If you think about it, maybe they should consider themselves very lucky that they even got to apply in the first place. CA BON could have denied them years ago.

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