What are the nurse's rights regarding difficult family members?

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Well this post will be half advice seeking and half venting, I suppose I need both. I was a fortunate new grad, and started my first job as a LTC/Rehab nurse the end of August, less than a month after passing my NCLEX-RN. It was an environment in nursing that was so far beyond what I'd learned in nursing school, but I have adapted and made it through many of my 'firsts' there. One recent issue has thrown me off a little, and that's a difficult family member.

I have experienced many difficult family members in my short time as a nurse already - the overbearing, uneducated, rude, and sometimes just plain daft. I've so far been able to deal with these family members well enough to not only help improve their knowledge and comfort level, but to be told I was one of their favorite nurses. We recently got a new rehab admit with a family member who is beyond anything I've had to deal with yet. I'm told this new admit has been there several times already, and everyone hates having her there because of this family member.

This family member is present in the room with her mother from early in the morning to late at night, and makes constant demands on the staff. We're usually short staffed every shift, and just plain struggle to make it through the day with what we have without having to deal with this person, and the added stress is making it near impossible. This person has no difficulty getting right in your face yelling at you if things aren't done to her standards or on her schedule, she's been known to verbally berate and insult staff for little to no reason, throw things around and even at people, and one time even resorted to harshly pushing someone into the wall.

The first day of her admission she had one of my four CNA's in tears, and another nearly walked out on the job simply because of her. She has yelled, screamed, insulted, and even threatened myself and my CNA's. She's in the ADoN's office several times daily complaining about everyone and everything. I'm being told by my ADoN as well as some staff that has been there a long time simply to treat her well, basically giving her the royal treatment. We have already been bending over backwards trying to meet the needs of this family member, and still have been told we're doing a bad job of it.

I have tried every therapeutic communication trick in the book to try and deal with this person without any luck. I find it very difficult in trying to reward bad behavior like this. I would never let the actual patient suffer because of the actions of her family, but giving her family priority when I have 32 other residents/patients to care for seems very wrong to me. My first question was why she was even allowed back, since she's been like this the last four visits, and my second was why I had to make this person happy.

In the end, I'm faced with the difficult choice of how to deal with this person. I firmly believe that there is no excuse for this type of treatment, and that there's no reason I should accept this kind of behavior. I have come to the aid of my CNA's with this person, defended them, and even stepped in to take the onslaught to protect them. I carry a phone with me at all times ready to call the police if she chooses to get physically violent with anyone, I step in and attempt to talk her down when things heat up, and usually walk out after telling her, "I cannot talk with you when you're like this. When you calm down you let me know and we can talk about what's upsetting you so much."

I'm now told I may lose my job for not giving into her demands, for walking out on her, and even for considering calling the police on her. I'm frustrated that I'm expected to simply take whatever she has to throw at me and my staff, and that my employment is even remotely threatened by my desire to keep myself and my staff safe. I know the best way to deal with difficult family members is simply to do what they ask with a smile, but where do you draw the line? How far do you let things go before you stand up and say, "no more!"

Run forest run and start looking for another job. Management usually sides with family members. You need to objectively document every encounter and keep a copy of it in your personal file for future reference. I have feeling you may be resorting to it soon. If at all possible have a witness present in every interaction preferably someone in good standing if possible lure the adon in say you need her assistance on the hall. She may witness first hand what you have to deal with

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Specializes in Nursing Professional Development.

I would consider talking with an attorney -- not just about the family itself, but with your employer's failure to provide a safe work environment. You asked about your "rights" and that's a good question -- one that deserves an answer from someone knowledgable about the law.

Document every single aggressive thing she says or does and encourage your colleagues to do so as well. Don't say "so-n-so was aggressive", be descriptive enough that actions and words speak for themselves. Quote things she says. Someone can argue that "So-n-So was verbally abusive" was just your personal take on it, but it's harder to argue the abusiveness of, "So-n-So threw a vase at the CNA, then said, while pointing her finger in the face of the CNA, 'You are a ******* idiot!'"

This kind of behaviour should not be tolerated. By all means everyone should be treated respectfully, but if all you are receiving in return is abuse -- even when staff are trying to accomodate her ridiculousness -- then something needs to be done about this situation.

Go back to the ADoN and explain again. Back it up with thorough documentation. If you don't get any results, go higher.

Specializes in Geriatrics.

Thanks for all of the replies. I'm glad to see I'm not alone in my views on the situation. I have been told by fellow nursing staff that not complying with the daughters' wishes, and that of managements wishes for me to meet the needs of the family, wouldn't be a good thing to do. When I mentioned to my ADoN the possibility of calling the police or refusing to speak with her when she's screaming at me, I didn't get a flat out answer, but I did get a look that clearly told me I shouldn't do so.

I have approached my ADoN with the issues this family member has caused with suggestions to have a talk with her, and am basically told to simply deal with it in a professional manner. I figured that going to my ADoN about the issues instead of beating the daughter up was professional behavior (yes, it was sarcasm). I do document every encounter with her like it's been said. I have offered to calmly talk with the daughter 1 on 1, in a group, and with the management staff to address her concerns, and none of it has helped.

From what I'm told they've dealt with her before, they're aware of the problems she causes, they just try and get through it when she comes. Like someone else mentioned, they aren't big issues in reality, she just turns them into one. One time she was upset that there were only 2 Styrofoam cups left, and one was dented, so she slammed the cups to the ground and stepped on them and demanded we bring her new ones right away. She's been like this for years from what I've heard, and likely will not stop acting like this any time soon.

I suppose the next week will determine what happens. If I can make it through the next week without getting fired or deciding to put in my notice, it will work out. Right now I'm just dreading returning to work for my double shift on Monday, knowing I lack a lot of support from facility management.

Specializes in ICU.

I can tell you that if I called the police on someone at the hospital where I work, I would be immediately terminated. Clock out, don't come back. The last time a patient threatened me, I was put on suspension without pay. (They said I must have done something to make him mad, so it was MY fault!) Our management does not have our back for anything. Also, this is a "right to work" state, so there is nothing you can do about it. They have the right to fire you without cause, and we don't have any unionized hospitals here. Yes, sad state to work in. Nobody should have to "dread" going to work, or put up with this crap. (Sounds to me like this family member needs to be institutionalized herself, before she really hurts someone.)

The Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970 (OSH Act)(1) mandates that, in addition to compliance with hazard-specific standards, all employers have a general duty to provide their employees with a workplace free from recognized hazards likely to cause death or serious physical harm. OSHA will rely on Section 5(a)(1) of the OSH Act, the "General Duty Clause,"(2) for enforcement authority. Failure to implement these guidelines is not in itself a violation of the General Duty Clause. However, employers can be cited for violating the General Duty Clause if there is a recognized hazard of workplace violence in their establishments and they do nothing to prevent or abate it. (http://www.osha.org) also review ANA position statement on violence in healthcare setting and jcaho Rx for reporting violence in the workplace.

Not only should you report this to your employer, but they are Required by federal law to have a program in place to protect you!You should not even be considering losing your job, and should anyone threaten that, ask if they've ever heard the word " whistleblower".Threats to you, throwing objects at any staff members, and ANY bodily contact is a misdemeanor assault at a minimum. Bayou should encourage 100% of incidents being reported to law enforcement as it establishes a trail of evidence outside of your workplace that is independently and objectively documented, do not trust that documentation in your workplace will remain where you charted it ...Continue to advocate for yourself as you do for your patients , keep educating yourself and protect your liscence by reporting.

Specializes in Med-Surg, Peds, Ortho, LTC and MORE.

I am so sorry to hear of your problems with family and management. I too, had a family member very much like the one you described, she yelled, threw items, pushed and shoved.... and I fell down, have been off work under a worker's compensation injury for 15 weeks now....I may never get to return to Nursing because of the injuries I substained.

Please do not wait until a serious injury occurs to you or another staff member.

Do the harder right thing, instead of taking the easier wrong way (paraphrased from the West Point Cadet Prayer)....

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
Thanks for all of the replies. I'm glad to see I'm not alone in my views on the situation. I have been told by fellow nursing staff that not complying with the daughters' wishes, and that of managements wishes for me to meet the needs of the family, wouldn't be a good thing to do. When I mentioned to my ADoN the possibility of calling the police or refusing to speak with her when she's screaming at me, I didn't get a flat out answer, but I did get a look that clearly told me I shouldn't do so.

I have approached my ADoN with the issues this family member has caused with suggestions to have a talk with her, and am basically told to simply deal with it in a professional manner. I figured that going to my ADoN about the issues instead of beating the daughter up was professional behavior (yes, it was sarcasm). I do document every encounter with her like it's been said. I have offered to calmly talk with the daughter 1 on 1, in a group, and with the management staff to address her concerns, and none of it has helped.

From what I'm told they've dealt with her before, they're aware of the problems she causes, they just try and get through it when she comes. Like someone else mentioned, they aren't big issues in reality, she just turns them into one. One time she was upset that there were only 2 Styrofoam cups left, and one was dented, so she slammed the cups to the ground and stepped on them and demanded we bring her new ones right away. She's been like this for years from what I've heard, and likely will not stop acting like this any time soon.

I suppose the next week will determine what happens. If I can make it through the next week without getting fired or deciding to put in my notice, it will work out. Right now I'm just dreading returning to work for my double shift on Monday, knowing I lack a lot of support from facility management.

That she has been doing this for years tells me that the management is not going to deal with this behavior and will not support you in nyour efforts to contain this family member.

You have 2 choices....stay or leave. If you stay and you don't follow the "accepted" plan you may have to find another job anyhow......for even if you do the right thing and report them to OSHA and call the police.....the administration will find a way to return to things being "all quiet on the western front" that returns the ot the "status quo" and gets rid of government agencies breathing down their necks......by finding a way to legally and quietly have you fired. Or you stay and learn to "live" with this woman's behavior....which won't stop because she has learned she doesn't have to.

Or leave on your terms.....by finding a new job.

It stinks but that is the reality. I wish you the best!

Specializes in LTC Rehab Med/Surg.

I'm not sure why management allows their staff to be assaulted.

I'd call the cops. Unfortunately, I'd probably be fired for that action.

If you would not allow your BF/husband/sibling/parent/co-worker/child to physically or verbally assault you, then you have your answer.

I am so sick of facilities' management putting the almighty dollar in front of the safety of their own staff. And I'm sick of all those staff members putting up with it. We're being trained to treat these people as customers. No, even better than customers. If you manhandle a Target employee, you're going straight to jail for assault, and yet we just stand back and take it when loony-toons self entitled family members from hell harass, insult, threaten and assault us.

Call the cops. If your job is threatened by your boss, tell your boss they will no longer have a job with the facility when you own it after your big fat successful lawsuit. Not only will you be protecting yourself and your staff, but what's to stop that crazy violent person from turning on patients, including their family member?

We are mandated reporters. We are required to report any threat to the safety of vulnerable people. Someone who thinks it's ok to hurt you is a threat to your patients. Do your duty.

Ugh!!!!!!! This kind of stuff makes me soooooo mad! I'm with others, I don't know why we're the profession that tolerates this. If this behavior was acted out at a public school (K-12 or college even) the police would have been called. If this happened in a library, restaurant, store or any other 'public place' the cops would have been called.

I think the biggest problem is that you don't have the support of management. It does seem that they will probably 'make the problem go away' by finding a way to get rid of you... Which is unfortunate. I left a hostile work environment because I was bullied by the 'experienced' nurses (well, that and many other reasons which could have been worse than the bullying). They took physical violence seriously, even verbal abuse coming from patients/visitors, but because of the unit dynamics where I worked, the 'clique' would have had eachother's back and said any comments that could be construed as bullying were my fault - I would have been outnumbered.

I can understand sometimes there are patients that have illnesses or tumors or issues that cause disruptive behavior. Dementias (of any type, including Alzheimer's), frontal lobe tumors, frontal lobe bleeds, and some bleeds/tumors/metastatic cancers that affect areas of the brain controlling speech/communication. Most of the time, the families of those patients are just as shocked as we are. This kind of stuff, it's sad really. I cannot imagine being unable to communicate, or being unable to recognize my family/caregivers. That doesn't excuse it, but there are ways to handle those behaviors out of that population. Sometimes it's music, sometimes it's 'folding clothes/towels', sometimes it's pictures, sometimes it's a comfort item. I had one completely ballistic patient as a neuro nurse. What calmed them down? Holding onto a cigar (no lighters or anything like that), but it was something the family suggested we try cause the patient used to smoke them decades ago - and it worked.

Other than that, I have very little sympathy for patients/visitors who act out against their family/caregivers. I have no sympathy for the drunks or drug uses that come in using and abuse staff and face charges because of it. How I handled it? I calmly reminded anyone threatening me that (in the state I worked in) it was/is a felony to assault a nurse or physician. I gave one warning. The next time I called security. The time after that (if not removed by security) I would have called the police. I documented everything as it happened, and quoted the person behaving wrong as much as possible.

I understand facilities are concerned about money, but it will cost them more money when a patient/family sues because they were injured in some way related to a disruptive person who they were not protected from. Particularly when the situation could have been controlled with police involvement... I worked in red states, and right to work states, but the laws are laws for a reason. Luckily, when I worked in those states they took violence occurring on nursing units where other patients/visitors were potentially involved seriously.

So they would rather face a lawsuit and bad press versus assessing the issue with the daughter? Because if she assaulted me not only would I call the police I would hire an attorney and notify the press. And I would make sure I had very detailed documentation of her actions for the lawsuit against the facility and her court date.

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