Patients that fire everyone/demand everything

Nurses Relations

Published

I am coming off several shifts with a difficult family of a patient. I work peds so the the family is at bedside 24/7 with the patient. We get people like this every so often and it really saps the energy and morale of the best of the nurses on the floor. This family has demanded every special service the hospital offers and then some, including additional staff at bedside at all times. They complain about everything. They question everything. They want everything just so.

This particular patient is complex and has a lot of nursing and care needs. They would have been a time consuming patient to begin with. But then the parents demand that the needs have to be performed just right. I'm not talking about doing things safely, I'm talking about doing things exactly as they want us to do them because they like to control everything. Examples: lining up the diaper tabs just so, changing the diapers every hour on the dot, positioning the patient to the left on the even hours and the right on the odd hours of the clock. There are signs all over the room in small writing that dictate the types of things the family wants done for the child. And no one has time to read them because the parent is talking our head off the whole time.

They have fired many of the nurses and aides on the floor, as well as the special services people the hospital is paying to stay at bedside 24/7 to assist with this family's needs. They tell a nurse who is the room how terrible another nurse is-- not realizing that we all talk about it outside the room to each other. They do the same thing with the doctors, and the doctors also will talk about it outside the room.

The family demands certain things from the medical team. They demand that we call the doctors to bedside frequently throughout the shift to the point where one night the doctor parked themselves near the room in case they were called again. This doctor was in charge of many patients and would have to leave and see them, too, and then the parent would be very upset and take it out on the nurses.

I had to refuse to give certain medications sooner than scheduled, and also refused to give some PRNs based on the patient condition-- giving them would have caused harm at that time due to the patient's condition.

I literally spent hours in that room. Even though the other patients I was given were easier on purpose-- and I did the required assessments and all that on them, one of them commented on this high needs family and said that since they came to the unit, they "never saw their nurse anymore." They also commented that they felt sorry for the nurses who had to take that family as the parent was a "piece of work." We are a teaching unit and it takes time to talk to the families and teach them care when they are close to discharge.

This high needs family is obviously sapping the life out of the staff, the hospital, and even affecting the other patients on the unit. In the age of satisfaction surveys and customer service, where do we draw the line? When can the higher-ups say enough is enough about patients like this?

Also since our hospital has specialty areas, there is nowhere else to go if the family wanted to move to a different hospital. And one family we had a couple years ago who tried-- the hospital sent them right back to us because they were so complicated.

Specializes in LTC.

Sometimes when there are demanding families, I like to pull another person in the room with me. That helps me set firm boundaries and gives me back up . :up:

Specializes in Acute Care, Rehab, Palliative.
Sometimes when there are demanding families, I like to pull another person in the room with me. That helps me set firm boundaries and gives me back up . :up:

And it gives you a witness to anything that is said.

Well I need to get a backbone, it sounds like. I do have a backbone and am a strong advocate when it matters most. I have firmly told residents that a patient needs to go to PICU for example. My charge has always backed me up. :-) But I do tend to give in to the parents for non-safety things and it does get more and more insane. I try to earn the trust of the parents, but in the end I run myself ragged and feel like crap physically and emotionally at the end of the shift.

I also do agree that there seems to be a culture in my unit that caters to this kind of behavior and at some point I need to speak to the manager about it.

Thanks again for your advice! You all are the best!

Specializes in Gerontology RN-BC and FNP MSN student.

Who is letting them fire the staff?:no: Not gonna happen is what I would say. That is horrible...we need nurse advocates for this floor!!

They are probably picking the nurses who are people pleasers and would rather cave than firmly stand their ground... nurses they can manipulate and control.

Very Frustrating to say the least...it seems we all have those most memorable ( on the horrible side ) cases at least once or twice a year.:nurse:

I have seen families like this, only with adult patients. I had a post-stroke patient who'd already had a 100-plus day stay in rehab, only to come back thru the ED a week or two later with a medical issue. (Family felt she was not responsive and not at baseline.)

The patient was non-verbal but still cognizant enough to become upset and cry when she soiled herself. The husband would frantically ring the call bell to get her cleaned up, but that can take a little time when you're on a busy med-surg floor. The demands were so frequent, and it didn't matter what family member was at bedside. A member of staff had to be the one to clean her up, and even as a new nurse I wondered, "Who's going to do this stuff at home?" since no family member seemed willing or able to do it. The night before she was discharged to home, I had the gut feeling, "She'll be back and SOON. Family still doesn't grasp the facts."

I was not shocked to see her turn up again a week later, same fuzzy diagnosis, but on another floor as the family felt we were not as timely with her needs. Equally unsurprised to see her obit in the paper last year. Some families are great, but others are out of touch with reality and woefully unprepared to deal with the daily basic needs of someone who needs long-term care.

I have seen families like this, only with adult patients. I had a post-stroke patient who'd already had a 100-plus day stay in rehab, only to come back thru the ED a week or two later with a medical issue. (Family felt she was not responsive and not at baseline.)

The patient was non-verbal but still cognizant enough to become upset and cry when she soiled herself. The husband would frantically ring the call bell to get her cleaned up, but that can take a little time when you're on a busy med-surg floor. The demands were so frequent, and it didn't matter what family member was at bedside. A member of staff had to be the one to clean her up, and even as a new nurse I wondered, "Who's going to do this stuff at home?" since no family member seemed willing or able to do it. The night before she was discharged to home, I had the gut feeling, "She'll be back and SOON. Family still doesn't grasp the facts."

I was not shocked to see her turn up again a week later, same fuzzy diagnosis, but on another floor as the family felt we were not as timely with her needs. Equally unsurprised to see her obit in the paper last year. Some families are great, but others are out of touch with reality and woefully unprepared to deal with the daily basic needs of someone who needs long-term care.

I can so relate to this! On one hand we will change/clean up the patient if they are hard to handle, or if the parents are exhausted. Night nurses tend to be a lot more willing to do this since the family has to sleep sometimes, too. We have had pedi patients who we felt would not be adequately cared for by family and we have social workers step in. Sometimes the family steps up to the plate and sometimes the patient ends up at a long term care facility.

We also get frequent fliers to the unit. Usually around the holidays or if it's been awhile since we have seen them. They come in for something that is at their baseline, but because they are so complex we have to admit them in case they really are sick. Well since they usually come in near a weekend, they stay until at least Monday so their regular doctors can see them before being discharged.

We are afraid to mention them by name because that will for sure "call" them in. But then if we don't see those same patients through the holidays we start checking the obituaries.

Who is letting them fire the staff?:no: Not gonna happen is what I would say. That is horrible...we need nurse advocates for this floor!!

They are probably picking the nurses who are people pleasers and would rather cave than firmly stand their ground... nurses they can manipulate and control.

Very Frustrating to say the least...it seems we all have those most memorable ( on the horrible side ) cases at least once or twice a year.:nurse:

You are so right on this. As I said, I need to get a backbone when it comes to unreasonable requests that impact my other patients as well as my own peace of mind.

Specializes in Gerontology RN-BC and FNP MSN student.
You are so right on this. As I said, I need to get a backbone when it comes to unreasonable requests that impact my other patients as well as my own peace of mind.
Yes...set goals and boundaries with this case and with yourself. Dont cave, be sweet and professional stand your ground....fake it till it comes naturally. You will feel great afterwards and soon it will come naturally. Best wishes!
Specializes in ER.

It's the crotchety nurses that draw strict boundaries that got fired, I'm willing to bet. Once they have fired about 20% of the staff it becomes harder to make a reasonable assignment, taking into account skill levels and who had the patients the previous day. Then your manager can summarily unfire everyone, and let the family know that she will assign the most experienced and skilled nurses because of his complexity. They may have to do their own diapers/positioning etc but the NURSING care will be spot on. Make a list of concerns for the doc "I will put that on the list," and call when YOU feel it's necessary. If the docs want the family to call on their own timetable they will give them the number, right?

You may need to discuss this child at a staff meeting, assign primary nurses, agree on guidelines for care.

A case manager needs to get involved with this family immediately. With firm limits, the first of which would be that when a parent demands that the child be medicated when they are not supposed to be, CPS will be notified. Otherwise, lets work towards discharge. These seem to be chronic issues, not acute, therefore, if the parents are directing care, they can participate in care at home. They can hire their own private nurse to assist should they want to. Otherwise, firm limits, a firm "this is how this day is going to go" and get them the heck outta there and they can do all of this at home. CPS can follow them at home. The MD needs to have clear orders on turn and repo Q2, Mom and/or Dad need to learn peri care, and they need to be educated on medications. AND you need to be one thousand percent sure that you document to the hilt.

Sometimes in some facilities, the DON will round on this family, and offer clear limits. Sounds like this family needs to move on...

Specializes in Emergency Nursing.

I am really enjoying all of the suggestions in this thread. I have been guilty of being the "nice nurse" who gets walked over. I had a sweet 100 year old lady that was holding in the ED because the entire hospital was slammed with admissions/no discharges. And of course lobby backed up with patients for hours. The family was very anxious about the patient, a VERY stable patient. No pain. No ectopy. No abnormal labs. But the patient had complained of chest pain PTA that was resolved before entering the ED, so she earned herself at least a night of observation.

Nothing I did could please this family. We arranged q2h toileting, fed her, arranged for a hospital bed instead of a gurney. Frequent checking in with family and frequent review of plan of care, explaining delays ("we are waiting for a Telemetry floor to discharge a patient and clean the room. Then we will be able to transport her to that room. No, I don't know exactly when that will happen. I will continue to update you when I find out new information"). But it seemed like once I left the room, the family would forget everything I said. They ended up complaining to my charge nurse that I was "withholding water" and "the doctor is ignoring us" (the admitting doctor flying around the hospital trying to deal with many new admissions).

I see now from reading other responses how my language and actions encouraged the family to push for more and more requests that made it impossible to please them. I felt vindicated when the admitting doctor finally made it to their room (after I called him to request he make speaking with the family and placing orders a priority) and remained inside for 45 minutes. They were hard to handle and it wasn't just me!

But in the future, I am going to establish firm boundaries and watch my language so the situation doesn't spiral out of control. Thanks everybody!

Specializes in NICU, PICU, PACU.

It sounds like a multidisciplinary meeting is called for, including management and social work along with the docs. Limits need to be set but everyone needs to be on board. Policy and protocols need to be pulled out and laid out for this family. For example, diapers are changed every 4 hours unless there is a breakdown, if

The parents want it done more often they are free to do it. Turning is done every 2-4 hours, again, if they want it done, feel free. The patient should have X amount of time for uninterrupted rest, therefore we will do vitals etc every 4 hours. If they don't like this, they can hire a private duty nurse.

I would make sure to tell them, I will be back in to check on you in 2 hours, need anything before I start my other patients? And make sure Suzy had been pampered up before you leave. Set extra diapers etc out and say, here are some supplies in case you need them before I get back. Boundaries are your friend.

We get patients like this every now and again. Our management and docs do back us up...we are lucky. You have to have an united front.

+ Add a Comment