Nursing student lied about me to my manager, and I cannot prove it. - page 3

I will try to make this short. I am an RN and have been working in a hospital med-surg unit for 4 years. Recently one of our nurses was precepting an RN student who is about to graduate. I was getting report from the... Read More

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    I don't think that student nurse is going to make it very far with that set of morals. It's too bad you didn't tell her she'll never make it as a nurse. It probably would have felt better than to have her lie about it.

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    Quote from Twinmom06
    First of all the nursing student ISN'T a colleague...she's learning from an established nurse...I certainly cannot believe that you guys are blaming the OP because of her "tone of voice"...what if the pt that the student didn't get off the bedpan winds up with a pressure ulcer that the hospital will not NOT get paid for because of Medicare reimbursement? Our instructors wouldn't stand for that - nor would they stand for a student to go running to the NM like a little toady...

    That student should be ashamed of herself, as should the instructor...we are taught from the beginning of nursing school that we are guests in the hospitals, because they don't have to let us be there....
    I misread it as the student being a hired new grad. However, I still believe the OP is in the wrong. For one thing, she is not a member of this student's nursing program. She has no business lecturing this student. Rather, she should bring up the subject in an educational, constructive way. Furthermore, the student's report is not supposed to substitute for the prior RN's report. Students usually know much less about the patient than their primary RN does. As well, the OP does not possess ownership of the hospital and should rightly have no say in who gets to come to the floor. The school and hospital have an agreement and the student has as much a right to be there as the RN.

    Lastly, the student is a person too and is deserving of the same amount of respect as anybody else. If the OP wouldn't say that to a senior staff member, she shouldn't be saying it to a student or new grad. If its wrong in one situation, then it's wrong in all situations.
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    Quote from RNdynamic

    I misread it as the student being a hired new grad. However, I still believe the OP is in the wrong. For one thing, she is not a member of this student's nursing program. She has no business lecturing this student. Rather, she should bring up the subject in an educational, constructive way. Furthermore, the student's report is not supposed to substitute for the prior RN's report. Students usually know much less about the patient than their primary RN does. As well, the OP does not possess ownership of the hospital and should rightly have no say in who gets to come to the floor. The school and hospital have an agreement and the student has as much a right to be there as the RN.

    Lastly, the student is a person too and is deserving of the same amount of respect as anybody else. If the OP wouldn't say that to a senior staff member, she shouldn't be saying it to a student or new grad. If its wrong in one situation, then it's wrong in all situations.
    I like how on one topic, you're arguing for equal respect for all, but in the next, respect needs to be earned... Make up your mind!
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    Quote from RNdynamic

    I misread it as the student being a hired new grad. However, I still believe the OP is in the wrong. For one thing, she is not a member of this student's nursing program. She has no business lecturing this student. Rather, she should bring up the subject in an educational, constructive way. Furthermore, the student's report is not supposed to substitute for the prior RN's report. Students usually know much less about the patient than their primary RN does. As well, the OP does not possess ownership of the hospital and should rightly have no say in who gets to come to the floor. The school and hospital have an agreement and the student has as much a right to be there as the RN.

    Lastly, the student is a person too and is deserving of the same amount of respect as anybody else. If the OP wouldn't say that to a senior staff member, she shouldn't be saying it to a student or new grad. If its wrong in one situation, then it's wrong in all situations.
    Just an fyi...I agree. I've been having my head bit off lately. But I never get report from student UNLESS their preceptor is with them. I always ask if everything was discussed/missed. Not really OP business in lecturing student. Should have gone to her preceptor.
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    Quote from Jenni811

    Just an fyi...I agree. I've been having my head bit off lately. But I never get report from student UNLESS their preceptor is with them. I always ask if everything was discussed/missed. Not really OP business in lecturing student. Should have gone to her preceptor.
    It still doesn't give the student the right to lie just because she got her ego bruised...
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    I wonder if this student's school has a special connection to the floor or hospital. Maybe there is an issue of preserving relationships? (Which is ridiculous, but anyways...)

    It really concerns me that several people on this thread believe only the student's preceptor can correct or instruct the student. As nurses, we educate patients, family members, staff from
    various disciplines, newer nurses...but not students? That makes no sense to me.
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    Quote from RNdynamic

    I misread it as the student being a hired new grad. However, I still believe the OP is in the wrong. For one thing, she is not a member of this student's nursing program. She has no business lecturing this student. Rather, she should bring up the subject in an educational, constructive way. Furthermore, the student's report is not supposed to substitute for the prior RN's report. Students usually know much less about the patient than their primary RN does. As well, the OP does not possess ownership of the hospital and should rightly have no say in who gets to come to the floor. The school and hospital have an agreement and the student has as much a right to be there as the RN.

    Lastly, the student is a person too and is deserving of the same amount of respect as anybody else. If the OP wouldn't say that to a senior staff member, she shouldn't be saying it to a student or new grad. If its wrong in one situation, then it's wrong in all situations.
    The student needs to learn what needs to be reported. If the student is giving report to the OP, that student is both learning how to on her patient and also engaging in a relationship (student to nurse) with the OP for the purposes of that report. It is certainly the OP's role to provide feedback. Students aren't children. They are adults and as adults learning we can and should expect feedback from those already working in their field of study.
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    I'm sorry that this happened. It almost seems like the nurse manager is in cahoots with the student nurse. I don't feel like the OP's statement was wrong at all I would have said more. If the nursing student thinks what the OP said was bad she definitely couldn't hang at the facility I work for. I would transfer out ASAP it's not worth the aggravation of trying to make your point of view heard. The manager should know the OP better from her history of interactions with people. A nurse doesn't all of a sudden become rude when they didn't act that way previously.
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    Quote from RNdynamic

    Your statement was rude and condescending. How would you like it one of your coworkers said that to you? You should have phrased it as so: "I have found that it is always a good idea to check the orders prior to shift change so you can give a more complete report to the next nurse." Telling someone they "need" to do something is not okay. You are not her boss. The manager is her boss -- and yours as well. Also, if new orders come in at the very end of my shift, I probably won't acknowledge them either. I have other responsibilities at that time.

    Learn from this.
    I have to disagree with you...there are things that you "NEED" to know and relay to the receiving Nurse when you are giving report....and there is no reason anyone should have to sugar coat it....I think that she was afraid that it would look poorly on her so she turned it on the nurse first....

    Sent from my iPhone using allnurses.com
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    Quote from shye

    I like how on one topic, you're arguing for equal respect for all, but in the next, respect needs to be earned... Make up your mind!
    ^This!!!
    beeker likes this.


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