Nursing student lied about me to my manager, and I cannot prove it. Nursing student lied about me to my manager, and I cannot prove it. - pg.3 | allnurses

Nursing student lied about me to my manager, and I cannot prove it. - page 3

I will try to make this short. I am an RN and have been working in a hospital med-surg unit for 4 years. Recently one of our nurses was precepting an RN student who is about to graduate. I... Read More

  1. Visit  SaoirseRN profile page
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    Quote from RNdynamic

    I misread it as the student being a hired new grad. However, I still believe the OP is in the wrong. For one thing, she is not a member of this student's nursing program. She has no business lecturing this student. Rather, she should bring up the subject in an educational, constructive way. Furthermore, the student's report is not supposed to substitute for the prior RN's report. Students usually know much less about the patient than their primary RN does. As well, the OP does not possess ownership of the hospital and should rightly have no say in who gets to come to the floor. The school and hospital have an agreement and the student has as much a right to be there as the RN.

    Lastly, the student is a person too and is deserving of the same amount of respect as anybody else. If the OP wouldn't say that to a senior staff member, she shouldn't be saying it to a student or new grad. If its wrong in one situation, then it's wrong in all situations.
    The student needs to learn what needs to be reported. If the student is giving report to the OP, that student is both learning how to on her patient and also engaging in a relationship (student to nurse) with the OP for the purposes of that report. It is certainly the OP's role to provide feedback. Students aren't children. They are adults and as adults learning we can and should expect feedback from those already working in their field of study.
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  2. Visit  kalanel5 profile page
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    I'm sorry that this happened. It almost seems like the nurse manager is in cahoots with the student nurse. I don't feel like the OP's statement was wrong at all I would have said more. If the nursing student thinks what the OP said was bad she definitely couldn't hang at the facility I work for. I would transfer out ASAP it's not worth the aggravation of trying to make your point of view heard. The manager should know the OP better from her history of interactions with people. A nurse doesn't all of a sudden become rude when they didn't act that way previously.
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  3. Visit  alicia125 profile page
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    Quote from RNdynamic

    Your statement was rude and condescending. How would you like it one of your coworkers said that to you? You should have phrased it as so: "I have found that it is always a good idea to check the orders prior to shift change so you can give a more complete report to the next nurse." Telling someone they "need" to do something is not okay. You are not her boss. The manager is her boss -- and yours as well. Also, if new orders come in at the very end of my shift, I probably won't acknowledge them either. I have other responsibilities at that time.

    Learn from this.
    I have to disagree with you...there are things that you "NEED" to know and relay to the receiving Nurse when you are giving report....and there is no reason anyone should have to sugar coat it....I think that she was afraid that it would look poorly on her so she turned it on the nurse first....

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  4. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from shye

    I like how on one topic, you're arguing for equal respect for all, but in the next, respect needs to be earned... Make up your mind!
    ^This!!!
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  5. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from shye

    It still doesn't give the student the right to lie just because she got her ego bruised...
    ^This sets up a possible pattern for questionable behavior when licensed.
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  6. Visit  prnqday profile page
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    I think there is more to the story. I just cannot see a NM automatically believing a student without doing an investigation first. I don't put anything pass anyone but I don't know, just seems like something isn't adding up.
    I stick to my previous post, the OP should take accountablilty. What she said wasn't rude in my opinion however, we don't know how the tone was, or what her body language said. For example: I can say " you look nice today" with a smile and open posture or I can say "you look nice today" with my arms crossed, eyes rolled, and frowning.
    I don't understand how people still don't know that it is not what you say but HOW you say it. I've had people give me constructive critism without being nasty about it.
    If the student did lie, then shame on her and she should be reprimanded.
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  7. Visit  chrisrn24 profile page
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    Quote from crazy&cuteRN
    I think there is more to the story. I just cannot see a NM automatically believing a student without doing an investigation first. I don't put anything pass anyone but I don't know, just seems like something isn't adding up.
    I stick to my previous post, the OP should take accountablilty. What she said wasn't rude in my opinion however, we don't know how the tone was, or what her body language said. For example: I can say " you look nice today" with a smile and open posture or I can say "you look nice today" with my arms crossed, eyes rolled, and frowning.
    I don't understand how people still don't know that it is not what you say but HOW you say it. I've had people give me constructive critism without being nasty about it.
    If the student did lie, then shame on her and she should be reprimanded.
    I agree something is fishy here.
  8. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from crazy&cuteRN
    I think there is more to the story. I just cannot see a NM automatically believing a student without doing an investigation first. I don't put anything pass anyone but I don't know, just seems like something isn't adding up.
    I stick to my previous post, the OP should take accountablilty. What she said wasn't rude in my opinion however, we don't know how the tone was, or what her body language said. For example: I can say " you look nice today" with a smile and open posture or I can say "you look nice today" with my arms crossed, eyes rolled, and frowning.
    I don't understand how people still don't know that it is not what you say but HOW you say it. I've had people give me constructive critism without being nasty about it.
    If the student did lie, then shame on her and she should be reprimanded.
    ^Agree with this.

    We weren't there...we don't know how the interaction happened.

    However, I find that people's tone while face to face can be misconstrued as well.

    The best thing the OP can do is if anything arises like this again, is to go to the clinical instructor, and let her handle it, and so should the student.
  9. Visit  nursel56 profile page
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    I still think it's far more likely that her NM sold her down the river for an office politic reason of some sort or what went on between student, the preceptor, and the manager without the OP being present for that than that she would come to an internet forum and make up a long, detailed account when she had no real reason to seek our approval.

    None of us were there, but nurses get snapped at often for a variety of reasons and it's usually not personal. Stress affects our bodies and our tone of voice. The text of what she said wasn't so earth-shattering horrible, or she wouldn't have felt the need to embellish the story with lies.
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  10. Visit  Altra profile page
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    As I read this thread, and others, I am genuinely perplexed at how bent out of shape some get by the *tone* of another nurse. How in the world do some get through a day of patients, visitors, physicians, and other coworkers without just withering to a pile of dust? Seriously?!
  11. Visit  dudette10 profile page
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    Quote from RNdynamic
    Your statement was rude and condescending. How would you like it one of your coworkers said that to you?
    I don't see the OP's words as rude and condescending. I would, and have, said "thank you" when I was an orientee and certainly as a student. Hell, I even say it now if something I don't know is pointed out to me. Now, it's usually paperwork-related, but still...
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  12. Visit  Poochiewoochie profile page
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    If she get's this upset because you said that to her I wonder how she'll react when a patient or family member looks at her the wrong way or says something that hurts her little feelings. Will she go crying to the CN and say she refuses to treat them?
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  13. Visit  Rags2Riches RN profile page
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    Sorry to hear about this incident OP. Of course we don't have all the facts but based on your story I don't see where you did anything wrong. As with any situation especially messy situations like this it's best to live, learn and move on. In the future should you encounter a similar situation it would be better if you not only talk to the student but immediately inform your charge nurse/nursing manager of the situation. By doing this you give the student little time to exaggerate the encounter & you give your side of the story first. It may sound silly and tattle-taling to some but when you're dealing with scheming individuals it's best to CYA. And good luck finding a new job

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