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Hello all! Is anyone else annoyed by MA programs and the attitudes of Medical Assistants themselves??? I had a friend of a friend of mine, who is a medical assistant basically act like a B***h today. We were introduced to each other and she stated she was a medical assistant. She went on and on about how she could do more than most nurses could, worked directly under the doctor, yada, yada. She asked me what i did. I said "I'm an LPN." She then mentioned how she was "an equivalent of an RN in a doctor's office and MA was the next closest thing to an RN as you could get." Then this idiot had the nerve to say,"but LPN's are good too.":madface: I said "Excuse me?" and started a huge arguement. IN WHAT WORLD DOES NURSING LEVEL OF TRAINING GO RA, CNA, LPN, MA, & RN????? The only equivalent to an RN IS AN RN. LPN's are one step lower, not MA's. On top of that, I had one year of intensive training to be an LPN. This is coming from an MA who had ON THE JOB TRAINING ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!! She had no formal education whatsoever, she doesn't even have a high school diploma or GED. As an instructor of allied health training courses(EKG, Phlebotomy, NA), I am appalled at what they teach in these MA classes. She said the MA she trained under was told this in class. MA courses cost more than my LPN and they are not even required to take a course in my state. ANYONE, including people with horrible criminal backgrouds, can work if the doctor says its ok. No education needed just need to be signed off on skills. Skills such as drawing blood, EKG, injections, etc. How is that I can take a year of med administration class, pharm, anatomy, etc but I am not qualified according to BON to do veinapunctures, but some yahoo without any GED, education, or formal training can do it after being watched as little as one time????? This should not be legal. I think all MA's should be regulated and required to have certain hours of training, or eliminate all MA positions. A CNA or an LPN can do the same things in my state with the PROPER, DOCUMENTED additional training. Long rant but set me on edge like nothing else. I just looked at her and walked away.:mad:

PS. Not looking down on CNA's, LPN's, RN's, people with backgrounds, people with no Diplomas or GEDS. You have what you have. I was the 1st person EVER in my family to graduate high school. Everyone's life situations are different . Just saying that certain positions with life or death consequences should have a certain level of education and training.

Specializes in Infectious Disease, Neuro, Research.
Well, my program included the pathology and physiology/anatomy classes, too. But like you said, a rare program and valuable skills learned than I can't use anywhere. Honestly, the only good thing I can take from this is that those learned skills will help me a lot should I be accepted into nursing school.

Exactly, and you express yourself as someone intelligent and motivated enough to pursue the knowledge behind the practice. I spent several years as an EMT/AUA/MA/Phleb. In practical aspect, I'm helpful in that I'm the person called to get that hard stick, difficult cath, help with ortho manipulation, because I know the skill set, and I'm able to verbalize to the patient why it is necessary. I'm also able to verbalize to a Doc why it may not be in the best interests of patient care to pursue a given test or treatment method, and suggest possible alternatives as appropriate.

I think I would have hit her with a few pharm and assesment questions- heavy ones- ones, I would have also asked her what planet does she come off of? I also would have asked why is she so lazy not to get her GED and nursing degree and nursing license since she's so valuable?

This goes to another thread- Sorry!- but this is something else wrong with the healthcare industry- undertrained, shortcut people, who think they are better than everyone else! I have news for you- these attitudes do you no good in the world.

I don't mean to put anyone down as an MA. Please forgive me if I've hurt anyone. Not all MAs are undertrained, shortcut people, only the ones who try to put themselves as nurses.

I respect RNs. RNs are above me, as an LPN. I don't pretend to be an R.N., I don't resent them for their wider scope, I respect them for their wider scope, because I know that If I wanted to be an R.N., I can go back to school and become one. The choice is mine. All we ask is for the same respect from the M.A.s.

Thanks,

Specializes in Med Surg/ Rehabilitation.

We should all come up with a law saying that their should not be any more CMA classes offered......EVER! I still have student loans out for this crappy program. I have even tried to get the state to pay for my loans...along with others who were in the program with me.....b/c this program is A JOKE! I got paid minimum wage and it took me forever to find a job. I'm not for the money...at all, but I was lied to when interviewing with an advisor for this program not just about money and job placement, but I was told nursing would be a breeze after being a CMA. :hhmth: A couple days into the program, I knew I was set up for disaster! The "instructors" for the program said things that were totally untrue and did things that would just blow your mind. For instance, one of my "instructors" put peak flow meters into an autoclave. Of course, me...."won't those melt if you put them in there?" "Oh no, let me show you." And what do you know! They melted. This school was such a joke! Plus, they are taking jobs away from GOOD NURSES who are trained and educated extensively how to CARE for patients.

I would let this go! This person is obviously jealous that she has not gone further than just Medical Assisting. She will learn one of these days, when she administers a narcotic to someone and they plummet....GOD forbid. My point...she will learn that she knows NOTHING!

That being said. I have moved onto bigger and better things....and will graduate in December from the ADN program. :nurse:

it really irks me when I hear a MA say "I'm Dr so&so's nurse" NO, you are not his NURSE. Yes, he lets you do everything I do but that still doesn't make you a nurse. I have a license, you do not. I do everything a RN does too but that doesn't make me an RN!

I am a certified medical assistant and ive learned that I am in no way a Nurse I hope to become one someday. I have been tought to say I am Doctors so and so Medical Assistant. I think it is the way they have been tought and according to the American Association of Medical assistants it states that we are not nurses and to not use that unless you have the credintals to use that. But i can see your frustration I went to a Drs apt and the Persion who was taking my vitials said im the drs Nurse and it statd on her name tag that she was a certified medical assistant so i said oh where did you go to school for nursing and she said i didnt so i said you shouldnt call your self a nurse unless you have taken the proper classes and passe the NCLEX exam so then you can use the ASN or BSN RN distaction at the end of your name and she huffed off annyoed that i caught on to her. i dont mean to step on anyones toes if i did and if i did im sorry.

I think I would have hit her with a few pharm and assesment questions- heavy ones- ones, I would have also asked her what planet does she come off of? I also would have asked why is she so lazy not to get her GED and nursing degree and nursing license since she's so valuable?

This goes to another thread- Sorry!- but this is something else wrong with the healthcare industry- undertrained, shortcut people, who think they are better than everyone else! I have news for you- these attitudes do you no good in the world.

I don't mean to put anyone down as an MA. Please forgive me if I've hurt anyone. Not all MAs are undertrained, shortcut people, only the ones who try to put themselves as nurses.

I respect RNs. RNs are above me, as an LPN. I don't pretend to be an R.N., I don't resent them for their wider scope, I respect them for their wider scope, because I know that If I wanted to be an R.N., I can go back to school and become one. The choice is mine. All we ask is for the same respect from the M.A.s.

Thanks,

I agree with you 100% I highly respect RN's and LPN's and i also understand that they are above me and I hope to become an RN and be part of a rewarding profession sry if i spelled it wornge.

Hello all! Is anyone else annoyed by MA programs and the attitudes of Medical Assistants themselves??? I had a friend of a friend of mine, who is a medical assistant basically act like a B***h today. We were introduced to each other and she stated she was a medical assistant. She went on and on about how she could do more than most nurses could, worked directly under the doctor, yada, yada. She asked me what i did. I said "I'm an LPN." She then mentioned how she was "an equivalent of an RN in a doctor's office and MA was the next closest thing to an RN as you could get." Then this idiot had the nerve to say,"but LPN's are good too.":madface: I said "Excuse me?" and started a huge arguement. IN WHAT WORLD DOES NURSING LEVEL OF TRAINING GO RA, CNA, LPN, MA, & RN????? The only equivalent to an RN IS AN RN. LPN's are one step lower, not MA's. On top of that, I had one year of intensive training to be an LPN. This is coming from an MA who had ON THE JOB TRAINING ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!! She had no formal education whatsoever, she doesn't even have a high school diploma or GED. As an instructor of allied health training courses(EKG, Phlebotomy, NA), I am appalled at what they teach in these MA classes. She said the MA she trained under was told this in class. MA courses cost more than my LPN and they are not even required to take a course in my state. ANYONE, including people with horrible criminal backgrouds, can work if the doctor says its ok. No education needed just need to be signed off on skills. Skills such as drawing blood, EKG, injections, etc. How is that I can take a year of med administration class, pharm, anatomy, etc but I am not qualified according to BON to do veinapunctures, but some yahoo without any GED, education, or formal training can do it after being watched as little as one time????? This should not be legal. I think all MA's should be regulated and required to have certain hours of training, or eliminate all MA positions. A CNA or an LPN can do the same things in my state with the PROPER, DOCUMENTED additional training. Long rant but set me on edge like nothing else. I just looked at her and walked away.:mad:

PS. Not looking down on CNA's, LPN's, RN's, people with backgrounds, people with no Diplomas or GEDS. You have what you have. I was the 1st person EVER in my family to graduate high school. Everyone's life situations are different . Just saying that certain positions with life or death consequences should have a certain level of education and training.

I understand your frustration but not all MA's are traind like that I am a Certifeid Medical Assistant and in New York State I had to go for my Associates Degree in Appiled Science and then do a 160 hour internship and then sit for a 4 hour 300 question exam before i could have CMA at the end of my name. I am surprised that she said that to you and good for you for telling her that I highly respect Nurses my Aunt is a Nurse manger for the NICU in salt lake city and my Cousin is a Nurse. I hope to also become a Nurse. Do you think its a good Idea to go for my ASN and get my feet wet in the nursing profession and then go back for my BSN ? any suggestions would be very helpfuil. thanks

Ok, I am currently in LPN school with just over 2 months til graduation!! :yeah:

I have worked as an EMT-B, I have worked medical billing and now clinicals for LPN school.

I think there definitely is a place for MA in the medical field, especially in a clinic or Dr. office. MA can do basic vitals but can also do the "office" side of the job that LPNs don't typically do, such as makeing appointments, referrals and verifying insurance.

As an LPN I would rather focus on patient care and leave the "office" duties to an MA. I would not want to fill my day with billing, insurance, and appiontments in addition to basic vitals and pt. care.

Sure an MA can do basic functions of nursing like injections, vitals, heights, weights and blood draws. I would not begrudge anyone any of those tasks if they are properly trained. And I certainly do not want to spend my day fighting with insurance companies about reimbursement.

I agree that if an MA is calling themselves "nurse" then they are in the wrong, but I think some of it is just ignorance.

Just hold your head high and be proud of your training, no matter what the level and remember that the important thing is patient care!! If we can all work together towards that goal our patients will be better off.

Take care,

Val

Specializes in Occupational Health, LTC.

That is something you are going to run into no matter what your profession. Some people really believe that they are so much more wonderful and valuable than they really are. My MA is AWESOME!!! She went to a school that neglected to tell the class that they were not accredited for CMA until they were half-way through the class, so she isn't actually certified yet. Hopefully she will be sometime this summer. She is a god-send, she does most everything that I do as an LPN. What REALLY upsets me, is that I indavertantly found out that she was hired of the street, without certification, and makes $0.15 more an hour than I do. That is certainly not her fault, but WHAT THE HELL? THe industry is rapidly changing, and not always for the better. I for one am re-thinking my career choice.

Years ago I worked as a certified nurse assistant in a nursing home. Wasn't a glorious job by no means, but I loved my underpaid over worked job! Starting a family earlier than planned led to me putting a nursing degree on the back burner. Now my youngest is 13 and I'm ready to start working towards that degree. After cna work I worked on the business side in healthcare for several years. I worked in the ER doing registration and billing and did a little tech work as well, worked in the business office, moved to a clinic and worked the front desk at a private practice. I later went into hospitality and did HR generalist at a large resort. Recently, I was laid off as an assistant office manager for a retail chain, and have decided it's now or never for going back and doing what I've always wanted to do. So, for the past month I have been researching different schools in the area and programs they offer, as well as jobs available in the area and the pay for LPN'S vs medical assistants. It's been forever since I have been in school and am wanting to obtain some training for the clinical side and work giving patient care rather than the business side being stuck behind a desk doing billing and clerical work, as I have already done for years. From seeing the jobs available in the classified section and pay they are offering for lpns and cmas I was thinking to just go ahead and attend a 10 month program for cma rather than 13 months for the certificate lpn program. It would get me back to work quick, as I am now unemployed, and with decent pay. To top it off, most job descriptions for cmas in my area are doing more patient care rather than the clerical work. Most hospitals and clinics in the area have admin. staff doing their front desk work and/or cma's and lpn's doing the assisting. It's unfortunate, and I'm sure frustrating for an lpn that had extensive training and has a license to be getting paid about the same as a cma. while researching schools and programs in the area for ma programs I found that they range anywhere from 5 months to 15. Depending on what school and if you were only obtaining the diploma or an associates degree. After reading thru this thread, it has been reinterated that I could be making decent pay in a quicker amount of time then if I took the 13 month lpn program, and have decided on the 10 month program. I feel that after I finish the program and pass my certification test I will be a competent cma and able to give the exceptional patient care that I desire to give. This 10 month program is going to allow me to do the work I feel passionate about, while going back for my RN. I feel like there is a need for cna's, lpns, and cma's in healthcare and don't feel that one is "better" than the other. There are some ma's that have learned thru on the job training and are not certified, but I haven't come across any job postings for one that didnt require certification. Basically, I don't feel that ma's should be looked down on becuase of how and why hospitals, clinics, and dr. offices, etc. hire them, or for going to school to obtain training and certification for ma rather than lpn or rn. I chose the program that I thought was going to be most benificial for me and had the best curriculm out of all that were available. The community college has a ma program I could complete in 5 months and it's 3 times cheaper, but I don't feel it's adequate enough for me to feel comfortable with in testing for certification and working in the field, so I chose a private institute that I feel was best, although somewhat over priced. Since I plan on getting some experience and getting back into the swing of classes and everything before I go for my rn, going back first for ma makes more sense rather than going for the lpn program because as I have seen in the job searches I have done in my area, and as it has been stated on this site....cma's are not paid much less than lpns, and i can get one of those jobs after 10 months of training rather than 13. It's the shortest route to get to where I am going with what I need, and then I can continue my education with a 2 year rn program. I do not feel it makes me less competent than an lpn, but it also does not make me a nurse! I would never claim to be something I'm not. As some have stated on here about a lot of ma's attitudes....I have seen a lot of lpn's with the same attitudes in reference to rn's, by saying they are the same as an rn. When we all know the difference.

Specializes in ICU + Infection Prevention.
Specializes in Med/Surg, LTC/Geriatric.
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For the past month I have been researching different schools in the area and

programs they offer, as well as jobs available in the area and the pay for

LPN'S vs medical assistants. most job descriptions for cmas

in my area are doing more patient care rather than the clerical work. Most

hospitals and clinics in the area have admin. staff doing their front desk

work and/or cma's and lpn's doing the assisting.

It's unfortunate, and I'm sure

frustrating for an lpn that had extensive training and has a license to be

getting paid about the same as a cma.

While researching schools and programs in the

area for ma programs I found that they range anywhere from 5 months to

15. Depending on what school and if you were only obtaining the diploma or

an associates degree.

After reading thru this thread, it has been reinterated that I

could be making decent pay in a quicker amount of time then if I took the 13

month lpn program, and have decided on the 10 month program. I feel that

after I finish the program and pass my certification test I will be a

competent cma and able to give the exceptional patient care that I desire to

give. This 10 month program is going to allow me to do the work I feel

passionate about, while going back for my RN.

I feel like there is a need for cna's, lpns, and cma's in

healthcare and don't feel that one is "better" than the other. There are some

ma's that have learned thru on the job training and are not certified, but I

haven't come across any job postings for one that didnt require certification.

Basically, I don't feel that ma's should be looked down on becuase of how

and why hospitals, clinics, and dr. offices, etc. hire them, or for going to

school to obtain training and certification for ma rather than lpn or rn. I

chose the program that I thought was going to be most benificial for me and

had the best curriculm out of all that were available. The community college

has a ma program I could

complete in 5 months and it's 3 times cheaper, but I don't feel it's adequate

enough for me to feel comfortable with in testing for certification and

working, so I chose a private institute that I feel was best, although

somewhat over priced.

Since I plan on getting some experience and getting back into the

swing of classes and everything before I go for my rn, going back first for ma

makes more sense rather than going for the lpn program because as I have

seen in the job searches I have done in my area, and as it has been stated

on this site....cma's are not paid much less than lpns, and i can get one of

those jobs after 10 months of training rather than 13. It's the shortest

route to get to where I am going with what I need, and then I can continue

my education with a rn program.

I do not feel it makes me less competent than an lpn, but it

also does not make me a nurse! I would never claim to be something I'm

not. As some have stated on here about a lot of ma's attitudes....I have

seen a lot of lpn's with the same attitudes in reference to rn's, by saying

they are the same as an rn. That kind of thing goes on everywhere.

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