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:balloons: I am new to the forum and would like to get feedback from others who have experienced mobbing/bullying/harassment in the healthcare field. Please share so others might learn more about this issue that needs further exploration.
I too learned the hard way about how mean other nurses can be. I worked in an office where one of my co -workers ws given the job of lab person. This person was not above discarding pts blood specimens, getting rid of lab requistions and anything else she could do to make it look like the other nurses were making mistakes. She would then run to the office manager to complain about our mistakes.
But even w/ computer documentation, meaning we had two computer programs, one proved that a lab requision had been printed 3 times on the same pt whose requision mysteriously disappeared and the other one was like inter office e-mail where she admitted that she tampered with my work . I gave this documentation to the office manager and our head nurse, both who saw nothing wrong w/ what was done. I would have turned them in to HR but I wasn't ready to leave . The other thing is this person and I eventually got on polite professional ,fake friendly terms, We had a yard sale w/ some of the other ladies in the practice and she gave me a small tape recorder tht she had used in school w/ a teaching tape in it. One day I decided to listen to the tape and she had taped a conversation from her previous job where she was being fired for stealing time. She is the nastiest piece of work I have ever encountered. I have since moved on to better things but I am a lot more cynical of managers than I used to be. Its almost like lawyers you know they're lying if the mouth is moving.
I now work Baylor in LTC and the other nurse I work with is wonderful.
"Mean" nurses, "eating their young", "catty nurses", etc. This is the ongoing black eye nurses give themselves and their own profession. It has been going on forever. But, I think it is a symptom of nursing in general...sort of like an adolescent teenager who refuses to get his/her act together. Nursing as a field has been trying for years, and I mean years, trying to discover itself. It is not limited to nursing, however. Corporate management and business, and the key word is corporate, also fosters this mentality...who can back stab who in order to shine better for the boss. Look for more and the same as hospitals and units become more places of "business" than of healing. When you work in a medical facility and verbal abuse from other professionals (doctors and nurses) is present on an ongoing basis, look at your hierachy. What happens at the top often becomes the rule for the bottom. A good example I can give you is my working at one hospital where doctors, as a norm, screamed and yelled at the nurses on an ongoing basis, with nurses left in tears and belittled in front of patients and families. Nursing as a field in this facility was accorded less respect than what was given to the janitor screwing in a light bulb. What was interesting here is that working at another hospital not 10 miles away, the same doctors (who had priviledges at both facilities) did not display this behavior. Nurses at this other facility were given respect for their skills and the care they provided for their patients. The point here is that management, and I mean the higher management, allowed it as the cultural norm in their facility...and the other did not. If you are caught in a facility that allows abuse of its staff from other staff who are in a higher position of power...if you can't change it, leave it. Why do I say this? Because, the culture will probably not change until the management does. And why do I say this? Because, higher level management will probably not change unless you are in a position of power to change it. Management 101. Believe me, the grass IS greener somewhere else.
A good example I can give you is my working at one hospital where doctors, as a norm, screamed and yelled at the nurses on an ongoing basis, with nurses left in tears and belittled in front of patients and families. Nursing as a field in this facility was accorded less respect than what was given to the janitor screwing in a light bulb.
What was interesting here is that working at another hospital not 10 miles away, the same doctors (who had priviledges at both facilities) did not display this behavior. Nurses at this other facility were given respect for their skills and the care they provided for their patients. The point here is that management, and I mean the higher management, allowed it as the cultural norm in their facility...and the other did not. If you are caught in a facility that allows abuse of its staff from other staff who are in a higher position of power...if you can't change it, leave it.QUOTE]
I found the same working registry.
I am SO blessed to have the privilege of working with my coworkers. We have outlasted many CEOs, DON to VP of Patient Care, and TQM, Patient Focused Care etcetera...
WE together will assure safe care. WE insist the nursing process and nursing staff are respected. WE together insist on provinding the finest possible nursing care. WE do all WE can to acheive this.
SO WHAT is management only cares about the bottom line or tries to divide and conquer? Are they going to have most of their critical care staff give notice at the same time? We have never done this. We do communicate togethern ot as individuals. BUT in the background we know we WILL advocate for our patients or go elsewhere.
So far with much education and planning we prevail.
after going to HR and my NM , i finally got a response about what to do about me being bullied. in short, i was being accused of neglect by fellow coworkers....which was cruel and totally false. i did not take this lightly.
my NM wrote it off saying: did you ever hear the saying "nurses eat their young?"
i put in my 2 weeks immediately and she was curious why! shortly thereafter we got a newsletter asking if we had any suggestions to keep other aides from leaving the facility!!!
UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
sad and pathetic!!!
"Mean" nurses, "eating their young", "catty nurses", etc. This is the ongoing black eye nurses give themselves and their own profession. It has been going on forever. But, I think it is a symptom of nursing in general...sort of like an adolescent teenager who refuses to get his/her act together. Nursing as a field has been trying for years, and I mean years, trying to discover itself. It is not limited to nursing, however. Corporate management and business, and the key word is corporate, also fosters this mentality...who can back stab who in order to shine better for the boss. Look for more and the same as hospitals and units become more places of "business" than of healing. When you work in a medical facility and verbal abuse from other professionals (doctors and nurses) is present on an ongoing basis, look at your hierachy. What happens at the top often becomes the rule for the bottom. A good example I can give you is my working at one hospital where doctors, as a norm, screamed and yelled at the nurses on an ongoing basis, with nurses left in tears and belittled in front of patients and families. Nursing as a field in this facility was accorded less respect than what was given to the janitor screwing in a light bulb. What was interesting here is that working at another hospital not 10 miles away, the same doctors (who had priviledges at both facilities) did not display this behavior. Nurses at this other facility were given respect for their skills and the care they provided for their patients. The point here is that management, and I mean the higher management, allowed it as the cultural norm in their facility...and the other did not. If you are caught in a facility that allows abuse of its staff from other staff who are in a higher position of power...if you can't change it, leave it. Why do I say this? Because, the culture will probably not change until the management does. And why do I say this? Because, higher level management will probably not change unless you are in a position of power to change it. Management 101. Believe me, the grass IS greener somewhere else.
Excellent post; couldn't agree more. The culture of a unit comes from the top. The manager/ DON/ CNO will often try to shift the blame elsewhere, but if the event occurred on his or her watch, then the person at the top is ultimately responsible!
I found the same working registry.
I am SO blessed to have the privilege of working with my coworkers. We have outlasted many CEOs, DON to VP of Patient Care, and TQM, Patient Focused Care etcetera...
WE together will assure safe care. WE insist the nursing process and nursing staff are respected. WE together insist on provinding the finest possible nursing care. WE do all WE can to acheive this.
SO WHAT is management only cares about the bottom line or tries to divide and conquer? Are they going to have most of their critical care staff give notice at the same time? We have never done this. We do communicate togethern ot as individuals. BUT in the background we know we WILL advocate for our patients or go elsewhere.
So far with much education and planning we prevail.
Excellent post, spacenurse, and thank you for being such a positive example. I totally agree with Mattsmom81, if we nurses exhibited solidarity, we would be an invincible force!
I have tried to be a reasonable, contributing, hardworking teammember at most, if not every facility, I have ever worked. In the last 5 years I have picked up vibes from other coworkers, I was respected, I was chosen to precept, I was sent to special classes, but I was not always included in the unit click. That was ok, I was older, more focused on family than partying, and I have a full schedule most of the time. Lately, I was told that I am very formidable to deal with. Now, I asked myself, what are you attempting to say, but just not speaking plain English. Well, it seems that a certain bully or two at the new job has found my "look you in the eye and tell you just exactly how it is", a little different and difficult to deal with. If I say "NO" then I mean it and I usually have a good reason for saying it. I do not accept the excuse "everyone" does it this way. I want it done right, so if you have a problem, just say so, we can discuss it, we can even agree to disagree, but if it is not policy, not done with the best interest of the patient, then I will still say NO. After all of the wordy garble, what I am trying to say is, if you bully me, I WILL have an answer, an action, and remedy. Sometimes it is just a misunderstanding, sometimes its real trouble, sometimes it means a new job for one of us, but end the end, don't bully me unless you can take some of the same medicine. After 25 years I am no patsy, so don't come here if you can't swing the bat.
I used to feel angst and disgusted by the people who love to make themselves appear better in expense of others, even it means causing harm inside and out..and feel oh so sorry for those who cant defend for themselves..all they can do is cry,rationalize things up 2 d point of blaming themselves.. i just cant stand these miserable people who find joy harassing and even planning evil to their colleagues for the sake of their selfish interests..whether its for their id or ego, i am not capable of understanding it...
but i guess these days i feel saddened when i hear these issues..saddened by the thought that these offenders will have their own dose when the right time comes for them to pay off.. nuthing is void in this world.. surely, those innocent, helpless cries will continue to reverberate together with all the negative energies these offenders has attracted and regenerated...unconsciously consumed they will be, and until at the point of death will remain unhappy...
know thy self, love ur self....it wont hurt!!!
I agree that so many religious people have a huge problem with 'seeing the speck in another's eye while ignoring the log in their own'. I no longer am active in the church because of some of the same things you describe...as I tired of the hypocrisy.
Halleleuyah! My late mother, who was very active in our church until I was twelve, tore up her membership letter right in front of God and everybody for the same reason you no longer go to church. My son, who attends chruch regulary, is petrified that I won't go to Heaven because I don't go. I have to remind him that I know where it is!
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