Charge nurse asking me to lie

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The other night I had a pt admitted that had a trach. I'm a new grad and have only been off orientation 5 weeks. The ER nurse told me in report that this pt has had the trach for a while and knew how to take care of it himself as he lived at home alone. Only thing was he had MRSA in his trach site so I would have to set up isolation. It was a busy night and this pt was my 5th one. I wasn't quite sure what I needed for a pt with a trach and went looking for my CN to ask her. I could not find her, she wasn't at the desk and her portable phone was also sitting at the desk so it did no good to call her.

My pt came up, I settled them in, did the admission assessment and the 5000 questions you have to ask and then had other things to do with my other pts. I looked for my CN a few more times to enquire about my admission, but found her busy helping another nurse in an iso room. I told her I had questions regarding my admission and to please help me when she was able.

Well, 3 hrs later she came down to my end of the hall to get updates. When I told her about my pt having a trach, she freaked out. She said our floor (medical floor) does not take trachs. I had no clue! She had to call the supervisor to try and get that pt placed elsewhere. Then she took me aside and started saying, "You have to do what I say so you don't get in trouble. You need to say that the ER nurse didn't tell you about the pt having a trach and you found it on assessment. You also need to say that when you saw it you tried to call me but my battery was dead on my phone and I was busy so I didn't know about it until later. You need to say exactly what I told you or you will get in trouble and I don't want to see that happen. You're new and you didn't know." I was shocked and dumbfounded! This conversation took place right before end of shift.

After I punched out I went straight to my managers office but she had the day off. I called a coworker I could trust and talked to her about it on the way home. She told me to get a hold of the NM asap even if it means to call her at home and tell her everything. First of all, I will not lie about this. Especially to throw the ER nurse under the bus! No!!! She told me about the trach on report so I'm not gonna lie about that! I think the CN wants me to lie about everything so SHE won't get in trouble. I did not know and was never told that our floor could not take trachs.

So I did call the NM right when I got home and told her the whole story and apologized for taking a trach admission and that I didn't know I wasn't supposed to. I did not, however, tell her the conversation between me and the CN and her telling me to lie. I have to work with this CN a lot since she's on my weekend rotation and I don't want to be on her bad side. She has put me in a very difficult position and I do resent her for that, but I also don't want a hostile work environment.

Would you have told the NM about the conversation? I'm torn on that one. What if the NM asks the CN what happened and she tells her that the ER nurse did not give the trach info on report? I don't want that nurse to get in trouble for something she didn't do!!

Advice please! This happened Tues night/Wed morning and I don't go back to work until next Tues. I haven't been able to enjoy my days off since this whole situation is eating me alive! :(

Specializes in Emergency, ICU.

Don't apologize for someone's personal opinions. If they don't want to read it, they won't. You aren't a bother. People with bad attitudes are the problem.

Absolutely agree! Don't delete the thread because someone wants it to look perfect for their attention to be deserved. Sheesh is right!

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Thank you all for your advice and support! It means a lot to me that many of you took the time to read my thread and give me your opinions! I have read every one of your replies, and some more than once! Awesome advice has been given and very much appreciated!!!

I was struggling whether to even share my story at first, but now I am glad I did. Thank you :)

Specializes in LTC Rehab Med/Surg.

Just tell the truth to whoever questions you.

It really is just that simple.

Specializes in Pain, critical care, administration, med.

The same lessons our parents teach us about lying follows us our whole lives. Don't jeopardize your credibility and reputation for anyone. Always do the right thing.

OP, I think you did the right thing. But it does sound like the CN is covering her own butt, the real question is why does she feel so desperate to do so?

Yes, for real and seriously. For many of us with somewhat older eyes, tracking through a large block of text is very difficult both on paper and on a computer screen. It is not a matter of being lazy ... it's a matter of physiology.

And yes, run-on paragraphs, like run-on sentences, are less than effective writing ... ask any professional editor.

Do we expect professional level writing from AN posters? Of course not, that's silly. Just readable, otherwise why post?

I am sorry Heron. Maybe you do not realize that there is a glitch in the allnurses system. I have stated this before. When we type from our iphones or ipads, it is all spaced and paragraphed on our end. But when we submit it, it gets bunched up into one big blob. I hope the administrators take a look into this problem, because it really makes us feel stupid when we sincerely are trying to make our posts with correct punctuation and spelling.

Should you find yourself assigned a patient with equipment you are unfamiliar with start brainstorming immediately where you can find help. In this case you could have asked the ER RN during report. There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying hey I am a new RN what do I need to have in the room for a patient with a trach? If she/he can't tell you start calling. Is there night management? Swat nurses? Respiratory therapists? Even the house doc? How about a floor that specializes in whatever equipment you are getting? I have called the ortho floor for traction, cardiac floor for pacers, renal floor for dialysis access questions, even the ICU for questions. Most of the time a nurse on another floor will be willing to help you out.

Good advice. We do this all the time at my job. Getting something we aren't familiar with? (Which happens all the time when census gets high.) Call to the floors that are familiar. And if it's a respiratory thing, use the RTs! I've learned so much from our RTs.

Specializes in ICU / PCU / Telemetry / Oncology.
I suggest you break up that wall of text with some paragraph breaks or shorten your story somehow. A lot of members see a block of uninterrupted text like that and won't read it. I didn't. Too long and daunting and time consuming, sorry. Be considerate of your reader to be a good writer.

I had to laugh really hard at this :D ... by the way, OP ... I DID read your post despite the wall of text. You did the right thing, good job :)

I had to laugh really hard at this :D ... by the way, OP ... I DID read your post despite the wall of text. You did the right thing, good job :)

It is kinda funny now...funny that they took the time to scold me but didn't have time to read what I posted. :)

I was just upset yesterday, so that didn't help things then, but today is a better day. :)

You were upset and posting from your phone. Good gosh all. Give your fellow nurse a break here. She is looking for guidance and advice not an english lesson, or to be made to feel even worse. Julz, it never ever hurts to CYA! Use your good judgement, but remember to always think it through 1st. Good luck!

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
I am sorry Heron. Maybe you do not realize that there is a glitch in the allnurses system. I have stated this before. When we type from our iphones or ipads, it is all spaced and paragraphed on our end. But when we submit it, it gets bunched up into one big blob. I hope the administrators take a look into this problem, because it really makes us feel stupid when we sincerely are trying to make our posts with correct punctuation and spelling.
We know about the glitch.....and continue to work on it....I have corrected the formatting of the original post earlier today. Every attempt is made to manually fix formatting as quickly as possible...however this is a large board.

MODERATOR NOTE! This post has nothing whatsoever to do with formatting a paragraph on AN. It is however about the OP having a situation at work with her charge nurse.

Again allnurses has a flame free atmosphere and has a zero tolerance for personal attacks. Please stick to topic and be polite....or posts will be removed and points assigned.

Thank you Esme12! I was beginning to feel like I was being cyber-bullied. And thanks for removing those posts. :)

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