Biol 189 @ Ccsn - page 2

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  1. by   MikeyJ
    Quote from DesertRain
    Sistermike, I don't know what you have against CCSN but from your posts you are definitely insinuating that UNLV is much better. CCSN has a very good reputation--now you go ask anyone in the health field. I am a very smart student and by all means I didn't just arrive upon the grades I got. I find your posts very condescending. Do your research before posting your opinions. Nevada is one of the only states where the college courses at CCSN equivalate to those at NSC and UNLV which is why CCSN students can consider themselves lucky. Any graduating student with an Associates from CCSN is eligible to become a student in UNLV and that is not the case in many other states. Also just to let you know, it is not a "junior college" the Board of Regents along with CCSN are working to transform the "community" college into an actual "college" which will not just change the name to College of Southern Nevada but will allow for more funding and the addition of several Bachelor's programs. I am sure that many of the people at CCSN are capable and intelligent enough to get into UNLV but have husbands, wives, families, children and jobs they have to consider. Not everyone is in their early 20's with the time and money to be there.
    Talk about making assumptions -- re-read your own post. First, I have nothing against CCSN and never did I imply so. Never did I speak about CCSN"s nursing program. I was simply speaking about pre-nursing classes at CCSN, or any community college. As I said before, CCSN pre-nursing classes are in no way less informational than classes at any other school; however I have never encountered a community college that isn't infested with grade inflation, and CCSN is no exception to that. There is obviously a correlation to the number of students who are pre-nursing at UNLV who opt to take courses at CCSN (especially A&P, chem, and microbiology). Reason being? It is much easier for them to achieve a higher grade because of grade inflation. They are in no way less prepared, as I stated before. And never ever did I attack CCSN's nursing program. Any accredited nursing program in the U.S. is most likely of equal difficulty and of equal in any other way.

    So, your assumptions regarding my assumptions were obviously not correct.
  2. by   MikeyJ
    Quote from DesertRain
    Sistermike, I don't know what you have against CCSN but from your posts you are definitely insinuating that UNLV is much better but why? Not everyone can afford to go to University so why put those who aren't fortunate enough to do so down? CCSN has a very good reputation--now you go ask anyone in the health field. I am going to play it safe and assume that most posters on all"nurses".com are nurses, or nurse hopefuls, not pre-med doctors. I am a very smart student and by all means I didn't just arrive upon the grades I got. I find your posts very condescending. Do your research before posting your opinions. Nevada is one of the only states where the college courses at CCSN equivalate to those at NSC and UNLV which is why CCSN students can consider themselves lucky. Any graduating student with an Associates from CCSN is eligible to become a student in UNLV and that is not the case in many other states. Also just to let you know, it is not a "junior college" the Board of Regents along with CCSN are working to transform the "community" college into an actual "college" which will not just change the name to College of Southern Nevada but will allow for more funding and the addition of several Bachelor's programs. I am sure that many of the people at CCSN are capable and intelligent enough to get into UNLV but have husbands, wives, families, children and jobs they have to consider. Not everyone is in their early 20's with the time and money to be there.
    Furthermore, where have I ever been condescending to anyone? If you were referring to my orignal reply to the OP (regarding being able to pass any class), then I came off wrong.

    What I was originally trying to portry to the original OP is that it is possible to pass someones class. The original question by the OP asked "if it was possible to pass" the class in question. Sure, my response was sort of "snappy", but it is because I have encountered and still am encountering so many students at the university/college level that need to truly do some growing up and maturing (both on the personality and professional level). People who continually try getting out of "hard" professors need to evaulate their goals as to being a nurse, because nursing school is no cakewalk, regardless of what school or what professor you have. Anyone has the ability to get an 'A' in a class, regardless of the professor; however, it takes hard work on one owns part, and that is what I was trying to portray to the OP.
  3. by   Tweety
    Let's remember to keep the to the topic on hand without making it too personal.

    Everyone's opinion should be respected and allowed. Thanks.
  4. by   DesertRain
    Quote from sistermike
    Talk about making assumptions -- re-read your own post. First, I have nothing against CCSN and never did I imply so. Never did I speak about CCSN"s nursing program. I was simply speaking about pre-nursing classes at CCSN, or any community college. As I said before, CCSN pre-nursing classes are in no way less informational than classes at any other school; however I have never encountered a community college that isn't infested with grade inflation, and CCSN is no exception to that. There is obviously a correlation to the number of students who are pre-nursing at UNLV who opt to take courses at CCSN (especially A&P, chem, and microbiology). Reason being? It is much easier for them to achieve a higher grade because of grade inflation. They are in no way less prepared, as I stated before. And never ever did I attack CCSN's nursing program. Any accredited nursing program in the U.S. is most likely of equal difficulty and of equal in any other way.

    So, your assumptions regarding my assumptions were obviously not correct.
    And what exactly is "grade inflation" if you are now admitting that they are equivalent in difficulty. I don't know if you are aware that UNLV, NSC and CCSN have the same curriculum. You are able to graduate with a UNLV degree even if you took your A&P I, II, Micro, 189 at CCSN or NSC. If someone was registered at NSC and took 3 classes at UNLV, 2 classes at CCSN and the rest at NSC, he would still manage to get a degree from NSC--is this an example of grade inflation? If that was the case why wouldn't everyone do it? So to my understanding if you are agreeing that the classes are equally as difficult, your real implication is that the professors at CCSN illegally and immorally give someone who per se had a C an A? Because it's a "junior college" and all junior colleges are dishonest with their students and give them "fake" grades. I don't want to start a debate. Even if you respond. I won't read the post. It is very offensive to those of us who have worked our tails off to get this far to hear someone tell us we were given our grades by dishonest professors. Sistermike, we deserve the grades we worked hard for and maybe students do well in Community Colleges or Junior colleges simply because of smaller class size, ability to get to know classmates and start study groups....in no way are better grades an indication of a school lacking in actual academic evaluation. I just wanted anyone who reads this to know that CCSN is still and has been not only accredited, but does not tolerate dishonesty. If anyone is interested in the school, it is best that you personally do your own research and find if it best suits you. It is not a free ride and requires just as much hard work and focus as any other accredited school in the nation. Case and Point.
    Last edit by DesertRain on Jan 27, '07
  5. by   MikeyJ
    Quote from DesertRain
    And what exactly is "grade inflation" if you are now admitting that they are equivalent in difficulty. I don't know if you are aware that UNLV, NSC and CCSN have the same curriculum. You are able to graduate with a UNLV degree even if you took your A&P I, II, Micro, 189 at CCSN or NSC. If someone was registered at NSC and took 3 classes at UNLV, 2 classes at CCSN and the rest at NSC, he would still manage to get a degree from NSC--is this an example of grade inflation? If that was the case why wouldn't everyone do it? So to my understanding if you are agreeing that the classes are equally as difficult, your real implication is that the professors at CCSN illegally and immorally give someone who per se had a C an A? Because it's a "junior college" and all junior colleges are dishonest with their students and give them "fake" grades. I don't want to start a debate. Even if you respond. I won't read the post. It is very offensive to those of us who have worked our tails off to get this far to hear someone tell us we were given our grades by dishonest professors. Sistermike, we deserve the grades we worked hard for and maybe students do well in Community Colleges or Junior colleges simply because of smaller class size, ability to get to know classmates and start study groups....in no way are better grades an indication of a school lacking in actual academic evaluation. I just wanted anyone who reads this to know that CCSN is still and has been not only accredited, but does not tolerate dishonesty. If anyone is interested in the school, it is best that you personally do your own research and find if it best suits you. It is not a free ride and requires just as much hard work and focus as any other accredited school in the nation. Case and Point.
    You obviously didn't read my original post or my other postings. Good luck to you.
  6. by   Race Mom
    I am also wondering what grade inflation is. Most older students prefer to do classes at a CC for several reasons. One being the price, two being the accepting nature given to the "older" students. Sistermike has said that she is still encountering students at the univ that need to mature and grow up. My guess, and it is an educated one, is that those students that you are speaking of don't take their studies as seriously as others. That could be the reason for the lower grades. I know when I was in my very early 20's, I could care less about my grades. Now that I am older, and have life experiences that comes with age, I care soooooo much more about what I do with my life. I care more about getting the most out of every class since I'm paying for it. I know the difference because I lived both ends of this candle. I have never been given a grade I didn't deserve (well, except my only B, which I miss the A by 1/2 point ). I have studied to the bitter end, and sometimes only barely scraped by getting that A. For the most part, I was only taking one, maybe two classes at a time at the CC and took 4 classes at UNLV during the summer. A's in all of them. No one fluffed my grade. Not at either school. At CCSN, in micro, the two students sitting next to me got through each test with C's. I never missed more than 3 questions on any given test. I ended up with a very high A, and they barely passed. It is NOTHING more than a grade you end up with for the work you put in to it. As a matter of fact, in A&P, a student told me she was failing and was going to retake the course at UNLV since she heard it was easier. Six of one, half-dozen of another.
    No one should be attacking anyones school. Everyone gets the grades they worked for. Plain and simple.
    Sistermike, please don't forget to let us know what you mean by "grade inflation". This information could help put this issue to rest.
    Last edit by Race Mom on Jan 28, '07
  7. by   tinkyboo
    I have taken classes at CCSN, Nevada State, and UNLV. I find UNLV the easiest for the sciences,then Nevada State, and CCSN was probably the hardest. CCSN is kinda of tough on the sciences. I looked on rate my professor before I took the classes and most students felt the same way. The other classes were pretty easy so I can't judge the difference between them. I'm taking classes this semester at Nevada State and CCSN. They all have been about the same. Now if I can just get thru math I will be ok.
  8. by   checkmate
    DesertRain, It was nice to hear from you again. I hope everything is going well for you!
  9. by   ohmeowzer RN
    i hear one of the instructors is pretty cool and laid back.. one of my friends had him for lab and lecture.. she liked him and got a A in the class..
    Last edit by dianah on Sep 28, '08 : Reason: Removed name, as naming names is TOS violation
  10. by   kosmo
    Quote from checkmate
    Did anyone take 189(Lecture) with Joshua Parker? Is it possible to pass his class?
    There is one that is probably one of the few ones at CSN that is going to make you sweat when you take 189, but it will be very rewarding when you take the rest of the Bio courses. Have something in mind, how well you do or how poorly it's entrirely up to you. An hour lecture is equal to 2 hours of study at home. Believe me, I took 189 from him and I worked really hard with him, but you have no idea how thankful i was afterwards when i took the rest of BIO courses. Also remember!the fact that he makes you work so hard is good, because it teaches you alot of discipline and if you wanna become a nurse... you are going to need a lot of that.
    Good luck
    Last edit by dianah on Sep 28, '08 : Reason: Removed name, as naming names is TOS violation
  11. by   LITTLEBUGGER
    Okay...here is an HONEST answer to your question. Don't listen to some of the people in here. Bio 189 is a tough class. I took it 3 times before I passed. My other friends took it 2 times as well. Out of all the classes that I took for pre-nursing it was the hardest.

    We put together a study group and also had some help through the Department of Retention on campus. They were really really helpful! The class always starts out big and ends up small. There are a limited number of seats in all the programs so they weed people out. Just DON'T GIVE UP! If I can do it so can you!!!
    Last edit by dianah on Sep 28, '08 : Reason: email removed, per TOS
  12. by   pepperoni
    I have to reply to this....

    I took my Bio189 at CSN and it was THE HARDEST CLASS I have EVER taken. There were 45 people on the first day of class, not even enough desks for everybody, and on the day of the final... I was 1 OF 8 students remaining! I don't think this thread is talking about my teacher cause everyone is saying "he", and my professor was female. I studied my BUTT off and squeaked by with a C. No joke. I studied and studied and studied and when the test came, I felt like I was on another planet reading a foreign language... she literally encouraged students to drop, and was out to put a C on your transcript no matter what. I could not, for the life of me, score higher than a 67% on the exams... every exam... 67, 67, 67... if I hadn't had lab (25% of your overall grade) with another instructor, I would have failed for sure. I would go to her office for questions on my exams, and she would only say, "Well you should have known that." It was awful...
  13. by   StayingOnThePath
    Hello everyone,

    I just moved to Vegas and am taking a Biol189 course at CSN (or CCSN, whatever it's called). I just started off the semester on a bad note - I got a C on my first test. I'm extremely concerned at this point. Should I be?

    The class average seems to be low (45/100 according to the online scores), but everyone seems to be brighter (smarter) than me. Also, I have only one course, which is online. So apparently, something isn't clicking when it comes to myself learning the concepts required to do well on the test. I did have to take the TEAS exam in the 2nd week of classes (because I wanted to get it out of the way - and for the record, i did well), but i'm not going to make excuses about it effecting my studying for this test because I did have 2 more weeks to prepare for this test. So, what happened to the 25% that I didn't understand.....

    Looking back on it, I do listen to my recorder directly after lecture, and I do read the textbook religiously. Doing these things did help make me feel confident, but positive results don't show up. This would mean that I would have to start using every single tool at my disposal to raise my grade - probably something I should've done before I took my first test.

    Has anyone had a slow start to the semester, to ultimately overcome this and get an A grade in Biol189?
    If so, how did you do it? Are there any tips to having a stress free semester?

    Also, if there are any tutors out there.....(especially at CSN), I wouldn't mind getting in contact with you to start up a session A.S.A.P. Please leave a first name and day of availability and then i'll sign up right away.

    Time is of the essence, folks, time is of the essence.
    God Speed.

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