Weird, but missing my old state's nurses union! - page 2

I found myself back home to Ohio after a 1 1/2 year stent in California as an RN (and I was a regular FTE, not a traveler). The ICU I came from was a well-oiled machine and staff morale seemed to be... Read More

  1. by   kcmylorn
    The way it is in Ohio, is the way it is in most states. There are more Ohio-ish conditions than there are California - ish conditions. As long as nursing keeps letting employers get away this, the employers will. That is the real business philosphy. The rest of this "stick up for business, that is the way it is, ADIET, customer service, CEO needs money to run business, the poor booh whoo nursing managers( get out the violin) and what those poor creatures go through has paralized nurses. It has clouded most of our thinking - which is what it is designed to. And when that doesn't work- threaten and intimate them. There one thing managers hate - a strong independent well informed smart nurse. That nurse becomes a threat and out the door they go. That's how managment gets away with this and keeps it submissive culture going. It's called " keeping the nurse in their place" Insults and mud is flug at the nurse who speaks out in the hope managment can publically humiliate that outspoken nurse into shutting up. look at some of these kinds of advisarial posts on AN and who makes them. Over most of our states- management has a nice little financial playground for themselves. The bedside nurse is being worked like dogs while managment reaps the financial rewards of your slave labor.

    Many years ago( in the late 1980's- early 1990's and we had a nursing union) I can remember a nursing supervisor saying to us, after negotiating one contract when our nursing salaries began to increase, "You staff nurses are making more than us managers".
    Managment has been on the warpath since then.
    The more we drink management's kool-aid and roll over and play dead like good little nurses, the more harm we do to ourselves.
    Last edit by kcmylorn on Oct 16, '12
  2. by   xoemmylouox
    I don't get when nurses say they hate unions. Yes they are not perfect, but without them who is there to protect us? I WISH I was with a union.
  3. by   NickiLaughs
    Which is why I will never work outside of California as a nurse. Taxes ARE high and housing IS high, but I think if you live in the right areas, the salary still offsets it. Esp the nurses doing crazy OT out here. Hope you can come back!
  4. by   nursie_nursie_415
    NOTHING compares to living in northern california... the "higher $tandard of living" is balanced by a higher standard of living - i can't be convinced otherwise.
  5. by   multi10
    How can one describe it? Nursing in my non-union state was always frantic and non-fulfilling because there were just too many tasks and not nearly enough time.

    Nursing in California was, "Ahhh, now this is how it's supposed to be. I get it now. I can function as a professional and not as a harried person."

    Unions work.
  6. by   echoRNC711
    Your post had me realize how grateful I am to work in NYC. $58 hr $104 k yr ( 20 yrs exp.). Any thoughts I had of re-locating have quickly dissolved!!

    As regards staffing earlier post of 2-3 pt in a unit seems reasonable unless A pt/s are highly unstable. When I worked CVRU I often was the charge nurse with 1 unstable IABP /Vented, 1 2nd day post op (still on a few IVCD ).(We are also expected to serve at code team for the rest of the hospital.)

    So we may be getting a little more money but it sounds like more expected of us. I am no wonder nurse but to me is absolutely workable.
  7. by   LDrounette
    One thing that struck me is that there seems to be a complaint that the hospital doesn't have enough staff or doesn't try hard enough to get someone to cover a shift, but on the other hand, there's the complaint that the hospital hires a bunch of new grads to save money. Didn't we all have to start out as new nurses at some point? We have a shortage of nurses, but then we complain about having to work with new nurses.
    As for how overtime is calculated and at what point, I don't know about Ohio or California, but in Texas that is determined by state law. Here we get paid for over 40 in a week. I just wonder if those states pay on overtime according to state law or is that determined by unions?
    At your old job in California, you said "they" were required to cover the shift. Who? Who was required to work the extra hours so the nurse on the floor didn't have to? Just curious. Here there are a lot of times when the director or assistant director has to pull the shift because they can't get anyone to come in. So, they're not out there working a 12 hour shift on the floor, and I know the appearance is they have the "easy" job. But, what people sometimes don't take into account is the fact that those 8-9 hour shifts are also 5 days a week, not 3 days at a time. Also, they are on call 24 hours. And when they cover one of those shifts that someone called in for, they still have to do their regular job. Sometimes you just can't magically pull a nurse out of thin air.
  8. by   Psychtrish39
    I think I may move down to California next year instead of back to the Midwest. I have been a nurse almost 10 years and I do think until the federal and or state governments mandate ratios it will be unsafe for nurses and patients. The medical establishment and hospitals are all about profit not life saving or caring for the patients whose insurance they are charging.
  9. by   jhanes
    It is 66% more expensive to live in Los Angeles than Columbus, OH. Was your salary 66% more in California? Homes cost 290% more in LA county than anyplace in Ohio. How much is your rent/house payment now? You paid money to the union each paycheck in California. How much do they take out for union dues at your present, nonunion position? You and your colleagues COULD show more backbone and I would urge you to do so. Or, you could move back to California. Your choice.
  10. by   chevyv
    Ahhh working safe would be wonderful! About 1.5yrs ago our DON commented to us, after we mentioned that they seemed to be getting rid of the 'old timers' left and right, that if we didn't like it we could go because she had 20 nurses willing to take our spots. Since then we have seen an increase in misjudgements from medical issues to death. We are once again in jeapordy of losing our medicare/medicaid funding. I wonder if it has anything to do with walking all of the experience right on out the door.

    We are a pysch hospital and hire newbies with no experience at all. Picking up on medical issues can be difficult but with a place full of newbies, it's downright scary to walk in the door. We have a union (for a couple more months) and they do very little.
  11. by   raybrownrn
    wow 8mpg...you are really lost...and so so wrong. Have you ever been to CA..no? I didn't think so. The things you are talking about there is scale everywhere else. I have multiple state license and I have worked in every COUNTRY in the western hemisphere and almost every state. I make BANK in CA!!! and I only have 4 patients in the ER and when I have something bad they have no problem making me a one-to-one. In FL you just have to suck it up and and work extremely short..and as I recall, texas was the same as FL!
  12. by   raybrownrn
    wow, jhanes..that was exactly not helpful at all now was it? 66%????? I have worked in almost every state and I always do better financially in CA!!!
    Last edit by Esme12 on Oct 18, '12
  13. by   chevyv
    I get $15 per check taken out for my union dues. I'm not sure why so many people think union dues are so costly.

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