Abusive Nursing Instructors-LPN - page 3

Hi, I am going out on a limb here as I am not a nurse but I have 2 daughters in LPN school. Their grades are good and they are on their third clinical rotation. One daughter is 24 and the other... Read More

  1. by   GardenDove
    Didn't hear about it. School type shootings are often unbalanced people who were picked on or bullied. They feel powerless, and a few people crack. I actually can identify with those feelings, even though I would never act on them
  2. by   TheCommuter
    Abusive instructors are quite common in nursing school. However, your daughter is deserving of more professional treatment.

    Unfortunately, nursing instructors are more inclined to bully some students while they leave the others alone. The common denominator is personality type. If your daughter tears up, appears shaky, or doesn't stand up for herself when being bullied by the instructor, she will continue to be targeted for the bullying and verbal abuse. Nursing instructors pick on students that are deemed 'easy targets' because they won't resist the abuse. Your daughter needs to stand up to this person in a tactful manner right now, or it will continue during her nursing career when she deals with older nurses who have biases against young nurses. Believe me, the abuse and bullying won't stop once this instructor is out of her life. There will be older nurses and male doctors who will bully your daughter relentlessly if she permits it to occur without any resistance.
  3. by   Loren2307
    I am in the last semester of my nursing program. We have had a good run with instructors up until now. When we started having problems we took it straight to the Dean of Students. Hopefully, everything will come out alright in the end. But I know how your daughter feels. Tell her not to be discouraged and take action if needed. Not everyone is going to be pleasant to work with, but nursing instructor's should be supportive not abusive. The quality of your experiance as a student is important...I will never forget it.
  4. by   txspadequeenRN
    LAWD, I couldn't agree more!!! I had a state lady ask me one time..If you dont have care plans how do you know how to take care of the patient....UHHHH What, I show up get report and assess my patients needs...I don't even know where they keep the care plans here!!!!

    Quote from GardenDove
    Care plans are the most useless invention on the face of the earth. Does anyone come into work and first thing check the care plan to plan their day?
  5. by   welnet66
    Hi Homeschoolmom,
    I graduated from nursing school 20 years ago, did very well in clinical and got good grades in class. But...the one thing I will never forget is the daily bullying, public humiliation and intimidation my classmates and I put up with by nursing instructors. Some even dared to complain to the school, to no avail. After graduation, I spoke to many coworkers about their nursing school experiences. It was the same everywhere. If I had to go back and do it all over again, I wouldn't. I don't know where this culture came from and it is obviously still accepted.
    Like most of the responses to your message, your daughters have little power to change the situation. However, personal insults and/or threats should be brought to the attention of the school. As I mentioned above, the school will probably do nothing about it but if your daughters had a credible witness, like a staff RN for example, they just might have a fighting chance.
  6. by   dmelick
    Hi everyone,
    The OP is distressing as are the numerous replies. As an instructor and program administrator, I am here to tell you that abuse is NOT OK in any situation. Students do have recourse and that is to let the administration of the program know. Repeated abusive behavior cannot and should not be tolerated. I am tired of the excuse, "But, she's a good nurse" used to described certain instructors. I beg to differ. "Good nurses" don't act in a way that degrades our profession and hinders the education of our future nurses. Homeschool Mom, and daughters: report this behavior to the administration of the program. If that doesn't seem to do anything, then try the administration of the school. Nurses pride themselves as professionals who do not give up and doggedly keep after something until it is resolved. Please do so!
  7. by   CritterLover
    Quote from homeschool mom
    i know there are awesome nurses and its sad that a few bad nurses give good nurses a bad name. my daughter wants to work in a hospital and it maybe very different. the particular hospital she is in fired all of their lpn's so there is an attitude on that. my daughter would love to do the night shift. i just hope that one day a blanket of protection could be put up to protect future nurses. i was reading this terrible article about a male nursing student was treated very badly by his instrcutors, i believe he was asian and he had a breakdown and went back and shot 3 of the instructors...my goodness that is horrible!!! did any of you hear about this ?

    that sounds familiar......but if it is the situation i'm thinking about, the student was not really treated as bad as he thought. he had issues (to say the least) and blamed much of his lack of success on others.
  8. by   midcom
    Quote from brefni
    Hi Homeschoolmom,
    the daily bullying, public humiliation and intimidation my classmates and I put up with by nursing instructors. Some even dared to complain to the school, to no avail. After graduation, I spoke to many coworkers about their nursing school experiences. It was the same everywhere. If I had to go back and do it all over again, I wouldn't. I don't know where this culture came from and it is obviously still accepted.
    I think you are so right. I believe that nursing instructors are the way they are because they went through it & feel the need to do it themselves. Maybe some of them have a mistaken opinion that it will make us tough. I don't know but at this point all it does to me is make me resent the instructor. We have a new clinical instructor. One student told her that she thought she was nice & looked forward to having her for clinicals in a future term. She told her that she didn't want to be liked. She wanted us to think she was mean!

    Case in point. Most of my classmates feel that our program is run in a very disorganized manner. They bring us into lab, demonstrate a couple procedures & then tell us we'll have time to practice with an instructor before being checked off. It doesn't materialize. Just this week two instructors demonstrated (sort of) head to toe assessment, by the way, skipping entirely several procedures listed on our check off page. They split us into two groups of 16 & had some of us work on wound care & dressing changes (with an instructor) & the other 16 practice doing assessments, also with an instructor. We were supposed to trade at some point. Didn't happen. So when it came time to test out of head to toe assessments most of us had only practiced with a classmate, on our own time, with no way of knowing if what we were doing was correct. Testing out was a nightmare. This was worth 20% of our lab grade. We had to demonstrate the HTTA while at least half the class looked on. The instructor was not one of them that demonstrated earlier & she wanted things done totally differently. For instance we were told to listen to bowel sounds X4 working our way in a Z shape starting in ULQ. This teacher decided that we needed to follow the colon, starting LRQ, and in my case, proceeded to jump all over me for not doing it that way. Every book I've checked since has said to do it the way we were told originally but she's the dept head so no ones going to cross her.
    What made it even more frustrating is that we weren't to actually do the assessment but go through the motions so as I did it, I attempted to tell her what I was doing but she kept interrupting me, telling me to not tell her but "just do it." However, I knew that if I didn't point out to her what I was doing, she would say that I hadn't done it. I was so frustrated when I got done.
    It's now 24 hours later & I'm still peeved. Maybe it's because I still don't know if I passed that skill. I start clinicals next Thursday & we can't go unless we've passed it. It would be nice to know if I passed.
  9. by   firstaiddave907
    tell your grils good luck and not to let the insructer bring them down.
  10. by   JBudd
    Quote from txspadequeen921
    LAWD, I couldn't agree more!!! I had a state lady ask me one time..If you dont have care plans how do you know how to take care of the patient....UHHHH What, I show up get report and assess my patients needs...I don't even know where they keep the care plans here!!!!
    I think care plans are only important for teaching students the algorythms of care, do it until you "automatically" know what to do next. With experience, they aren't needed. However, it made me mad when I would put something particular about a pt's care that was out of the norm on the Kardex, report off on it as well, but several shifts later find it was totally ignored to the detriment of the patient.

    Homeschool mom, {{{hugs}}} from another homeschooling mom. We run into lousy people everywhere, the trick is to just outlast them. I'm on my sixth or seventh CEO, can't count how many head nurses (dang, that's not the title anymore, been through several title changes too, lol). Some were good, some were not, but I'm still here. :smilecoffeecup:
  11. by   Lovely_RN
    OP: Your daughters have my sympathy! I am going through an LPN program right now and my entire class is abused on a daily basis. We are being treated like idiot and prisoners. The insults just keep coming and coming and we never know where we stand on anything that we do! Our instructor for fundamentals is also the director of our program and we have no recourse what so ever. Just last week she changed our start time from 9:30am to 9:00am. The thing is she did not tell the entire class just a few people who were responsible for passing the message alone. Well she decided to lock the door and give a quiz at 9:00am sharp and of course half the class was not present. Those who walked in during the next 10 minutes got to take the quiz those who showed up after got a zero. After the quiz she went ballistic about the "lateness" of half the class and when some brave soul tried to speak up and say that they didn't know what that the start time changed she decided to pick them apart.

    I was one of the ones in the know but still, it just isn't right. However, my money is already paid and I can't get it back so I have to put up with it.

    Tell your daughters to stick it out.....it sucks..trust me I know...but what other options do they have?

    BTW, this battle axe went to ns when it was a 24/7 3 year diploma program so she thinks we have it way to easy.
    Last edit by Lovely_RN on Jan 26, '07
  12. by   edgwow
    I would tell your daughter the same thing I have told my elementary aged son,
    In the real world, you will encounter a boss or 2 (hopefully not more) that does not like you or you do not like. You must stick with it, develop togh skin an do your best. This semester is finite. It will end and you will move on. One of the parts of nursing is learning to get along with older adults. Patients that are ratchety, get on your nerves too and you need to learn to develop a tough skin, to a point. Some instructors are that way. Mom, this is the same instructor that gave her good grades the 1st time around. She must realize her potential. She needs to hang in there. Be her shoulder to cry on when the teacher chops her down and build her up. Also, I would consider having her apply for a job at a hospital as an aid or volunteer for a few hours on the weekends. It will boost her confidence and give her a sense of accomplishment. Stay away from nursing homes right now, we are trying to build self confidence and there is eat your young mentality for the nurses aids in long term care homes.
  13. by   nurselala33


    Unfortunately, nursing instructors are more inclined to bully some students while they leave the others alone. The common denominator is personality type. If your daughter tears up, appears shaky, or doesn't stand up for herself when being bullied by the instructor, she will continue to be targeted for the bullying and verbal abuse. Nursing instructors pick on students that are deemed 'easy targets' because they won't resist the abuse. Your daughter needs to stand up to this person in a tactful manner right now, or it will continue during her nursing career when she deals with older nurses who have biases against young nurses.



    Well said..Well said.....you hit the nail on the head. My younger daughter is not assertive, is very sweet tempered, and wouldn't know how to be mean to another person if she tried. She def needs to work on those assertive skills. But that may come with age. My older daughter...WATCH OUT..lol....noone pushes her around..my goodness sometimes she scares me. My older daughter will also eventually have this instructor and my money is on my older daughter..lol.

    On another note my daughter came home with her clinical scores today and they were great! I don't get it ??? She tears her up. Her grade for yesterday was the highest they give. I don't know, maybe she is trying to help her. Maybe she is trying to prepare her. Funny thing is, I am beginning to think this nursing instructor might be a great life lesson for her. And it was even mentioned today that my daughter always gets there 30 minutes before she has too just to look over her patients chart and go through procedures. So I guess will see. But her grades are very good. You all have been such a blessing. THANK-YOU!

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