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Hello, I'm an LPN (since 1993), and have recently learned that LPNs and 3-year/or diploma RNs are required to become BSNs before 2016 in order to keep their jobs. The change is apparently due to... Read More

  1. Visit  niteguy65 profile page
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    There are several states that are requiring that the BSN become the entry level for nursing it has nothing to do with obama care it has to do with recommendation from the ANA, with the big push for it citing a study done that shows patients receive better care with an all BSN staff and with nursing basing everything on evidence base practice that is where some states are leaning. I read an article that in 2015 New York is the last year for the ADN nurses and they have like 10 yrs to get their BSN or they will be out of job in 2025.
    Here is my question where is the money for education going to come from student loans are in the crapper their are not enough seats to be accepted into a program I feel that this will just throw the healthcare field into more disarray.
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  2. Visit  SalineFlush profile page
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    I see no reason to force LPNs to obtain BSNs as LPNs and RNs traditionally perform slightly different roles, but I support having all BSN-prepared RNs. It is in the better interests of the profession. In my state, most LPNs are in long-term care, and that seems to be where they thrive and make the best money. My hospital doesn't have any. Many offices have moved to CMAs. I'm not sure if the 2016 time frame for the BSN requirement is entirely practical, but it would be great to have it happen by the end of the decade.
  3. Visit  Fiona59 profile page
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    Quote from nc2bc
    I live in Vancouver BC and they did this several years back but with RNs only. They grandfathered in many of the nurses who had been working for years. I know that for the health authority that I work for, you get a monthly bonus if you have your degree. LPNs still have their own scope and practice and their education varies from province to province from 1 year to 2 years.
    I work in Alberta. The last diploma RN graduated in 2009. Now the only route for an RN is the four year degree. All working RNs have been basically grandfathered. RNs who hold management positions are/were required to complete a degree.

    The old diploma RN programme has become the PN course.

    No viable bridge exists between the LPN and the RN now in Alberta.

    Somewhere in the depths of the CNA archives there exists a document outlining how they would like to see nursing in Canada flow. In their academic ivory tower world, the entry to nursing would be the PN diploma, advancing through BScN to MSN and onto PhD level. All by the year 2020. Like I said they live in a dream world.
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  4. Visit  nursel56 profile page
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    Quote from niteguy65
    There are several states that are requiring that the BSN become the entry level for nursing it has nothing to do with obama care it has to do with recommendation from the ANA, with the big push for it citing a study done that shows patients receive better care with an all BSN staff and with nursing basing everything on evidence base practice that is where some states are leaning. I read an article that in 2015 New York is the last year for the ADN nurses and they have like 10 yrs to get their BSN or they will be out of job in 2025.
    Here is my question where is the money for education going to come from student loans are in the crapper their are not enough seats to be accepted into a program I feel that this will just throw the healthcare field into more disarray.
    There's been a lot of talk but as of yet, no state has a law that requires RNs to have a BSN as entry-to practice or any time limit on when they have to get a BSN, or that requires an ADN nurse to earn a BSN in order to renew their license (referring to a previous post there).
  5. Visit  kbrn2002 profile page
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    As long as each state has their own requirements for licensure according to their own BON there will not be any kind of federally mandated requirements and I don't see the BON's agreeing to giving up their autonomy to a federal mandate like that. I know of no states that are requiring or are planning on requiring a BSN as a minimum standard for licensure. I also can't imagine that all the schools that pump out ADN grads at a large profit for themselves wouldn't vigorously argue against any such requirement, especially since many of those programs are located in state affiliated community colleges. Not to mention there just are not enough BSN programs at this point to support it. Maybe in the future if all the ADN programs were able to somehow convert to a BSN program, but that is a whole other logistics nightmare so I don't think it is very likely to happen.
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  6. Visit  tinyonern profile page
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    The BSN only is almost an urban myth...when I graduated in 1974 from a diploma program, it was being said that within a few years one would need a BSN to be able to work. At that time the few BSN that I worked with were almost useless, one couldn't even take a BP! The diploma programs gradually closed because they were too expensive to run, not because they didn't turn out good nurses. After working for several years I tried a BSN program; at the time it was not adding anything to my knowledge base or my ability to function as a competent nurse, plus it was expensive! No hospital paid a differancial for having a degree. I ended up dropping the BSN program, although I have gotten a Master's degree in another area. Over the years of working, if you wanted to be in administration you had to get a degree...since I never wanted that I didn't see any reason to get the degree. The ANA has advocated the degree for years, as a way of creating professionalism, and indicating that anyone who didn't have a degree was an inferior nurse. All I ever saw was this attitude do was create division within the profession. After all these years I discovered that it didn't matter where you got an education as much as what you brought to nursing; compassion , empathy, a desire to help others, being able to prioritze and good time management skills. Having said all of this, I wish all new graduates the best of luck, and may you find as much joy in nursing as I did.
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  7. Visit  maysgirl13 profile page
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    From what we were told in our middle TN LPN nursing orientation by the schools DON was, the new reimbursement scales for Obamacare prompted this. That the hospital/facility that has 5 stars gets a higher reimbursement from government insurances (Medicare/Tenncare/etc.). And you can't achieve a 5 star rating unless a certain percentage of the nurses employed are BSN. Though most if not all local hospitals will hire ADN of course they don't hire LPN anymore. So my personal opinion is when Obamacare pans out and the hospital/facility will see the reimbursement difference is when we will see what will really happen with the RN job market in general.
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  8. Visit  DeniseLPN754 profile page
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    i wish this topic could be put to rest with the TRUTH of whats going on. from what i have read,for the last few yrs (now being 2014) BSN is going to be the minimum level of nursing. so what happens to the ADN RN's & LPN's, i dont know. most Dr. offices & clinics want CMA'S or N.P.'s, so where the ADN RN's & LPNs will work is a question. i did a c.e.u. on Nurse.com & one of them was this issue. it was said that the min. level of nursing WILL BE a BSN. they couldnt say what would happen to the LPN. I'm interested in this topic b/c i am an LPN. just b/c this topic of phasing out LPN's has been out there for many yrs. & disclaimed doesnt mean that some day it will happen. it sounds to me like its being implemented all across the country. in 2016 we will see what min. level of nursing is. before that, all the speculation is just division among nurses & the discusssion of it.
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  9. Visit  DeniseLPN754 profile page
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    on Nurse.com, i did a c.e.u that was on this topic. BSN WILL BE THE MINIMUM LEVEL OF ENTRY INTO NURSING. they couldnt say what will happen with ADN RN'S & LPNS. this being 2014 i'm writing this, looks like all ADN RN's & LPN's will have to decide to upgrade or get out of nursing period or go into some other vein of medical work. my question is, .........whats next?......LPN's phased out of LTC?
    it could happen!!!!!! when i was in nursing school (vocational prog the talk was introducing PCT's (patient care tecnicians) that have cna, lpn & some rn skills as scope of practice. there are some places today that have those positions. so there is some confusion on what is & is not the truth & what places hire what. i think it should be more clear on who does what so this confusion doesnt keep going on, no one really knows whats going on. by 2016 we will know what min. level, entry is for nursing. before that, its nothing but confusion & division for discussion.
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  10. Visit  Rose_Queen profile page
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    I honestly cannot see BSN requirement becoming law. I can see it becoming the de facto requirement of employers for RNs but never an actual written law. This has been argued for decades; obviously it's going nowhere fast. By the way, Denise, you do realize that the last posts before yours were over a year ago? So the information in this thread (which seems to be a lot of guessing and conjecture) is already over a year outdated.

    Also, CNAs already have some nursing skills in their scope- those tasks that RNs are permitted to delegate. I don't think there will ever be a legally codified scope of practice for unlicensed assist ice personnel, simply because they are unlicensed.
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  11. Visit  TheCommuter profile page
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    Quote from DeniseLPN754
    on Nurse.com, i did a c.e.u that was on this topic. BSN WILL BE THE MINIMUM LEVEL OF ENTRY INTO NURSING.
    Nurse.com is not the expert authority on anything. Just because one of their articles mentions something, it does not necessarily mean it's the truth. The skill of critically evaluating the sources from which you obtain your information for legitimacy will prove valuable in the future.
    Quote from DeniseLPN754
    by 2016 we will know what min. level, entry is for nursing.
    Let me whip out my crystal ball and predict what will occur in 2016...

    1. I predict that the minimum level of entry for practical nursing (LPN) in the US will continue to be a 12-month certificate or diploma. Ambitious students shall choose to earn the associate of applied science (AAS) degree in practical nursing, as always. LPNs will not be phased out in 2016.

    2. I predict that the minimum level of entry for professional registered nursing (RN) in the US will continue to consist of four options:

    • three-year diploma in nursing
    • associate of science degree in nursing (ASN)
    • baccalaureate degree in nursing (BSN)
    • direct-entry master of science degree in nursing (MSN)


    RNs with diplomas and/or ASN degrees will not be phased out in 2016. I guarantee that my predictions will be 100 percent accurate.
  12. Visit  kbrn2002 profile page
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    Wow, way to bring a year and a half old thread back to life! Funny though, I did read back the old posts, and although they are well over a year old, it's really not outdated. Same now as then; while many employers are using BSN-RN as the entry level, no states are and none are likely to.
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  13. Visit  sistasoul profile page
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    My hospital is pushing really hard to get all the ADN's to get their BSN and only hiring BSNs. I had to get my BSN. I can truthfully say the knowledge I received has very minimally helped me as a nurse and has not helped me at all at the bedside. All good information but not essential. Just my humble opinion.

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