New IR laws 'NOT HAPPY JOHN' - page 3

if the new IR laws are passed do you think that we will be able to recrute more ppl into the nursing profession?... Read More

  1. by   talaxandra
    froghair, you crack me up!
    I would like to introduce this gentleman to the philosophical concept of "the original position" created by John Rawls. Broadly speaking, it says that you should create any system or public policy behind a veil of ignorance,
    as though you didn't know where or who in society you would be. In other words, design policy that you would be happy with, not as a rarified academic with an obviously privileged background, but as anyone - small business owner, tycoon, Indigenous youth, elderly woman...
    Economic inequalities are only permitted insofar as they benefit the least well off members of society.
    For example, if one were to consider whether or not slavery based on race should be allowed, the original position makes it clear that it should not. No rational person, not knowing whether or not they would be the race that is in slavery or the race that is in slave mastery, would choose to allow that system. Nobody wants to risk being a slave. It would be more sensible to choose a society where equality is a guiding principle, because then whichever race one was would not matter. The power of the original position in providing a lens through which to view moral issues has convinced many that Rawls' ideas, if not his conclusions, are to be held in high esteem.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_position
    This approach combines justice and fairness in a way that the IR laws don't.
  2. by   boabchic1
    Hi Grace, that's what we need! Retirees to take up the baton...to remind us of the hard yards in earlier years! Remember working 10 days straight whilst expected to attend midwifery lectures? I've been in nursing for 24yrs solid.They won't sack us...I've asked for a redundancy. The Nursing supervisor wants one too! With this IR change we might get paid out...and we'll start our own hospital lol! Seriously, we don't need the new IR laws.The public hospital system has set some great options for us...ie. more flexible with rostering, addressing horizontal violence and bullying in the workplace. I know that these IR laws will not help recruit quality nurses. Us oder ones will have to keep working. Cheers


    Quote from Grace Oz
    I'm seriously considering coming out of retirement and taking up the baton, once again! Done it in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's. Be buggared if I'll sit back and watch all we fought for be lost for the next generation!!!!! NO WAY!!
    Better still, I'll stay retired, but do it all voluntarily. They can't sack me that way!!!!
    Or, maybe I'll just join the Australian Wheat Board!!!

    Memo to horrible, er sorry, honourable ?, government:.......
    Don't give kickbacks to foreign governments!
    Give equality and fairness to own people!!!
  3. by   Michelle123
    If you google this
    Workplace Relations Amendment (Work Choices) Act 2005

    I have just downloaded it from the workplace.gov.au website, and apparently it is supposed to have all the changes and stuff in it. I'm concerned becuase I am just starting my BN.
  4. by   Michelle123
    I've just been reading the act, and it says that Penalty rates and overtime for shift work are protected.
  5. by   Anaphylaxis
    Hi there,
    just curious...
    what are IR laws?
    when might they be passed?

    thanks
  6. by   gwenith
    Quote from Michelle123
    I've just been reading the act, and it says that Penalty rates and overtime for shift work are protected.
    Sorry Michelle but don't feel too secure. There has been a consolidated push for YEARS to get rid of penalty rates. The police did it here in QLD - traded penalties for higher wage - trouble is that as the years went on the wage was eroded by inflation and they still have no penalties.
  7. by   gwenith
    Quote from Anaphylaxis
    Hi there,
    just curious...
    what are IR laws?
    when might they be passed?

    thanks
    IR= Industrial Relations

    They have been passed already by the Federal goverment (which is a Liberal goverment but that means that it is a right wing political party because, being upside down to the rest of the world our political names are reversed ) but the implementation of the laws is being held up by challenges by the various State goverments which are labour goverments (meaning they are left wing,or at least, sort of). Have I confused you enough yet??
  8. by   Michelle123
    It's also being challenged in the High Court and they have agreed to hear it, but that won't be until May I think...
  9. by   Michelle123
    http://www.labor.net.au/news/1139364892_1272.html

    Here is the link to the article if anyone is interested.
  10. by   Anaphylaxis
    Quote from gwenith
    IR= Industrial Relations

    They have been passed already by the Federal goverment (which is a Liberal goverment but that means that it is a right wing political party because, being upside down to the rest of the world our political names are reversed ) but the implementation of the laws is being held up by challenges by the various State goverments which are labour goverments (meaning they are left wing,or at least, sort of). Have I confused you enough yet??


    I see. Geez, I had no idea that liberal meant right wing. haha. Well, at least nothing has been finalized yet.
  11. by   froghair
    Quote from Anaphylaxis
    I see. Geez, I had no idea that liberal meant right wing. haha. Well, at least nothing has been finalized yet.
    you can preaty much back it in that its going to happen. the ANF seems to be preaty quiet about it all so all im hoping is that there doing a fair bit behind the scene

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