Live-in RN advice
- 0I am not a live-in nurse (although I am still a student). But I am in dire need of advice from your perspective.
I have hired live-in nurses to care for my 88 year old grandmother who has some early signs of Alzheimer's among many other medical conditions. The problem is that my grandmother keeps firing them all. There are no real reasons, just irrational things like "she was sleeping in my house", or "she was getting paid too much."
I have gone through 3 frustrated nurses in less than 1 month, and now it looks like I have to hire another. I try to reason with them, but eventually they get fed up with grandma.
Has anyone had experience with this type of situation? Anyone have advice for me? What is a nurse supposed to do in a situation like this?
Please help, I am desperate and don't know who better to ask than the nursing professionals themselves. Thanks.
- 1Aug 12, '13 by meanmaryjean, MSN, RNI would tell the nurses that they work for YOU, not her, and only you can fire them. If there is a dementia diagnosis- she cannot logically make these type of high-stakes decisions. I feel for you- dementia is so incredibly difficult to deal with.....Last edit by meanmaryjean on Aug 12, '13
- 0Aug 12, '13 by chrisrn24Quote from meanmaryjeanExactly.I would tell the nurses that they work for YOU, not her, and only you can fire them. If there is a dementia diagnosis- she cannot logically make these type of high-stakes decisions. I feel for you- dementia is so incredibly difficult to deal with.....
- 1Aug 12, '13 by NC29momAre you hiring NURSES? or nurses AIDES?
If nurses, why does your grandmother need that level of care? She doesn't sound end stage...if shes still talking in complete sentences...
Does she need around the clock care? Does she live alone? Are the "nurses" you are hiring young? Maybe an older nurse, with more patience/ compassion/ apathy/understanding of her disease process? What exactly do the "nurses" say about what went on? Maybe there's something thats going on you don't know about...
Or...maybe its time to make some adjustments to her medication regimen.....
Just brainstorming. ..
- 0Thanks all for the comments. To answer some of your questions, my grandmother has a. fib. and a really bad mobility issue. I am working on having her tested again for Alzheimer's and dementia, but I am almost positive it is there. I have hired LVNs and HHAs mostly. They were all very experienced and older, and mostly received their education outside the U.S. (not sure if that matters). She lives alone, so I really need at least 2 nurses to share shifts 7 days/nights per week.
My grandmother is extremely difficult to deal with, because she scolds the nurses, and wakes them in their sleep to kick them out. She is not supposed to be walking around, but she insists on doing so at all hours of the night. She has insomnia, despite sleep medications. She requires someone to be there, because she often falls or gets into predicaments. One time she left the house on her own in the middle of the night! I have tried convincing her to consider living with a relative or a facility, but she absolutely refuses.
It's all very frustrating. In the meantime, I am resorting to calling an agency for last minute help. So, I am pretty much at a loss on how to find some normalcy.
Again, ANY advice or ideas are welcome! Thank you.
- 0Just to mention a few things that the nurses have said happened, they say grandma wanted to kick them out because she didn't want them sleeping in her house, she thought they were burglars, she thought that they were grandpa's (deceased) mistress, she tries to fire them or tell them she is only going to pay something ridiculous like $5, she often tells them that she needs no help and to go home, which they know is wrong, but these things happen literally everyday, so I keep having nurses quit and one stopped showing up.
- 0Aug 13, '13 by Isabelle49The nurses or home health aides you hire should have a strong knowledge of the symptoms of and progression of dementia. If they have this foundation, they will not have much of a problem caring for your grandmother. I agree it does sound like your grandmother has dementia or Alzheimers, since she seems to be having irrational or delusional thought processes. I would definitely try to find someone to care for her who has experience and knowledge in the field of dementia/Alzheimers.
- 1Aug 13, '13 by turningred15Does she have a HCPOA and if so, has it been activated? (Two doctors signed off on her incompetence)
Until this has occurred she is free to make her own decisions about the care she is receiving. She can choose not to have the care although I agree that she needs it.
I believe the point of focus should be to activate the POA so that as more care is required it can be given. Good luck - this is never an easy thing.
- 0Aug 13, '13 by NC29momWow....thinking someone is their husband's mistress is so typical of Alzheimer's/ dementia. So sad...
HPOA is a good idea; however, it sounds like the aides\nurses are leaving because they are unable to effectively deal with her behaviors.
Not sure what your feelings are regarding antipsychotic medications....Might be something to consider to give her a better quality of life in regards to delusions. Just know she will be at a greater risk for falls initially r/t SE.
Sounds like you just haven't found the right worker yet, too. That, and the right medications, are what you need....
- 1Aug 13, '13 by CrunchRNYou need to consult an elder law attorney and become POA.
IF she does have dementia this is not going to get better and a facility may be the only choice. Safety has to be the decision maker in that case. Not everyone is able to stay at home sadly. Medications might help though. Also, it would be helpful for the caregivers to get some special training in how to deal with these typical dementia related behaviors.