Subjective or Objective? - page 2
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On our last BN test we had a section asking us to identify if certain situations would be subjective or objective data One of the examples (which I missed) was the one listed in the poll I still do not quite understand the... Read More
- 0Aug 28, '03 by RNIAMEven if the child could speak it would still be subjective. You can't see, feel. touch or test an oipinion about a poor appetite. If after a certain lenght of time you observe your patient refusing food and not eating then that would be objective. But a person just saying ther is a lack of appetite leads me to say this is subjective.
- 0Aug 28, '03 by colleen10I am interested to see what the answer and rationale is to this.
I put down "Objective" because while I understand that objective is what you can see - swelling, sweating, redness, infection, etc. our teacher really stressed that "Subjective" information can ONLY come from the patient. So, if the child is not old enough or too ill to speak for themselves, it may not have an appetite but cannot tell us that for sure himself.
Also, I think there is a very fine line with the way the question is asked. The mother can't say for sure whether or not the child is hungry, but she can "observe" that the child does not want food / has poor appetite.
- 0Aug 28, '03 by colleen10I found an even more specific definition of Subjective / Objective than what I even learned in class last week.
Referred to as Symptoms or covert data, are apparent only to the person affected and can be described or verified only by that person.
Referred to as signs or overt data, are detectable by an observer or can be tested against an accepted standard. They can be seen, heard, felt or smelled and are obtained by observation or physical examination.
- 0Aug 28, '03 by det01I would say objective.
Subjective data is data that the patient gives you.
Ogjective data is data tha can be observed. The mother observed the behavior and told you about it. Therefore, I would say it is objective. Whether or not you observed it does not matter it is obsevered.
At least that is what I would put.
- 0Aug 28, '03 by 2nerbut you (or the data collector) didn't observe that behavior.
what if the mother suffers from munchausen by proxy (or however you spell it) ? The mother could be "telling" you something that isn't true just trying to get the attention of med providers. now when you run tests to validate what the mother's saying you're able to actually "measure" something. so that data would be objective.
now if she came in and told you that her kid fell down the stairs and bruised his leg you could observe that bruise. but the info you got from the mother would still be subjective. you observing that bruise is the objective data b/c you can actually measure the bruise.