racism in nursing

  1. 0 I am so frustrated and pissed off with my nursing program. The racism has gotten out of control. Also the treatment that they give all students that they have notions about and have targeted makes me sick. I am doing very well in my program and a group of students and I want to go to the dean and even the president of the school..so they can investigate our program. But there is no reason why I should fear that the professors are going to tamper with my grade if they found out. I dont know what to do. This program is very militant and its getting out of hand. The way my nursing departmentf handles things is very unethical. Any advice? How can I avoid being one of the targets? I am a minority...but one of the lucky ones because "they like me". Thanks.
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  3. Visit  daisywill profile page

    About daisywill

    From 'Queens, NY'; 31 Years Old; Joined Mar '05; Posts: 25; Likes: 1.

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  4. Visit  Spidey's mom profile page
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    Can you give us some examples of the racism? I'm not sure in today's sue-happy society that an educational institution could get away with blatant racism.

    steph
  5. Visit  AussieKylie profile page
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    Hi Daisywill

    I am a nursing student too based in Australia. This is what I think you should do if I was in your shoes.

    * Go with your heart and do what you think is right. If it is a huge effect then a change is needed, complaints need to be heard for an investigation to sort. I say this because too many people back down when there is a problem and probably teachers think the mentality of students wont do anything and allow sleeping dogs lie. Every student who feel affected by it needs to get involved for a change to be made. They cant and they should not tamper with your grades if so a huge court case is in sight.

    I know racist people are around but what the heck are they doing teaching Nursing. It truly doesnt show how professional they are.

    What comes around will go around, those teachers are looking for trouble it seems.

    All the best Daisywill, only you and the other students know what is the best idea to do.
  6. Visit  twinmommy+2 profile page
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    There are bad apples in every bunch, even the teacher bunch. If there is racism, than fight it. Point blank. write down specifics, dates, times, and names of offenders and offendees. Then start your way up the chain of command. If it is the nursing department that is doing it, then go to the dean and up to the president of the college. But, make sure that you have everyone behind you that has been discriminated against. Try not to stand out there on the ledge by yourself because it will just be easier for them to push off one person then the whole bunch of you.

    And good luck to you!
  7. Visit  grinnurse profile page
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    What exactly is going on and how are they being racist? It has been my observation in my nursing school that racism also occurs and not so much between different ethnic races but in age differences. This has happened to me personally and it sucks. I am sorry that this is happening to you. I know it makes you feel just awful. Our NS also weeded out people throughout the whole program and some of the ones they weeded out would have been very competent nurses. I think that as a group you need to start with your chain of command b/c in our school, if we didn't do it that way they would not listen to us at all. Or you could leak the information to a TV channel-they always scoop up that stuff if information can be substantiated.

    Good Luck
  8. Visit  Marie_LPN, RN profile page
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    Maybe i'm missing part of the story, but i'm not getting how race is the problem.

    Not saying it isn't, i just don't understand.
  9. Visit  Spidey's mom profile page
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    grinnurse - that would be "ageism" not "racism".

    In my nursing program most of the women were in their 30's and 40's.

    I saw NO favoritism at all. They treated us all like peons.

    steph
  10. Visit  Spidey's mom profile page
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    Quote from Marie_LPN
    Maybe i'm missing part of the story, but i'm not getting how race is the problem.

    Not saying it isn't, i just don't understand.
    I think we are all a bit confused and need more info.

    steph
  11. Visit  dave1117 profile page
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    You talk about a problem, and you throw the RACE card out there and yet you give no examples of how race is effecting your fellow students. A lot of nursing schools are "militant" type of programs. Nursing is tough work, it requires that you think independently and on your feet and most programs are forced not only with the responsibility of teaching us but also weeding out those that just won't cut it as good nurses. Now some of those folks might be minorities, that does not mean your program is being racist. it just means that professors know the differene between a wanna-be and a real nurse regardless of their race.

    Now I could be all wrong, although I doubt it, ( as an SNA board member these issues get brought to my attention at my school and most of them are unfounded as RACE issues.) Charging RACISM is a serious CRIME. If you are right then people should be brought up on criminal charges, and you should not be seeking advise here but from a good lawyer. If however the other students just are not cutting it and because of their inabilities they cry RACISM then shame on them.

    Please give more info about specifics. And if your specifics are that specific then please contact a lawyer...
  12. Visit  truern profile page
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    I heard a minority student complain about racism in my program. She claimed that she was being unfairly graded on clinical paperwork because of her race, yet when I saw her paperwork it really wasn't up to standards.

    Not saying that your claims aren't legit since you didn't provide examples, but "racism" has nothing to do with expecting students to perform.
  13. Visit  tlbspn profile page
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    In the program I'm in the students have noticed that the best treatment tends to go the male students in the program . I've oftened wondered if it was because there were only a few males. But as the program progressed and final scores were given the guys were receiving extra points just for attendance. It upset alot of students for the simple fact one of the guys would not of passed without the points.
    Women were failed with the same score. In the long run what I looked at was the fact that the instructors were not going to be there for state boards these guys really would then be at the disadvantage only because the rest of us had to push a little harder to get through. In our case complaints were made to the dean and I hate to say a few good students didn't return after the following semester, if you get my point.... So I guess I would just be extremely careful about what I said and how it is said. Sometimes it is just how you present the problem that can make a difference.
  14. Visit  Gennaver profile page
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    Quote from daisywill
    I am so frustrated and pissed off with my nursing program. The racism has gotten out of control.

    But there is no reason why I should fear that the professors are going to tamper with my grade if they found out.

    I dont know what to do.

    This program is very militant and its getting out of hand. The way my nursing departmentf handles things is very unethical.

    Any advice? How can I avoid being one of the targets? I am a minority...but one of the lucky ones because "they like me". Thanks.
    Hello Daisywill,
    Sorry for this situation and I can see how you are in an ethical dilemma. Once I had a lady tell me, "Don't worry dear...you are the right type." ?!!!!

    Now, since you are removed from the sting of the situation and you are also a member of the minority being prejudiced against I would assume your perceptions of the situations are valid.

    I don't know what you can do. Prejudices and stereotypes are crazy. People who hold them may not even be aware that they have them. Cripes, they may even think they are helping the people who they are stereotyping, by being so hard on them.

    I hope someone types up with words of wisdom, all I can offer is emotional support for your conundrum!
    Good luck!!

    Jen
    p.s. how do the other 'majority' students perceive the situation? As a total group collective you have power....if all the students speak up as a group, then you have the power to sway
    Last edit by Gennaver on Apr 30, '05 : Reason: removing instant email notification
  15. Visit  beautimouslove profile page
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    first off, i have not read any of the other mess. yet.... what u are going thru, i have been and still am... i sent a letter to the dean of instructors about my program... send the letter thru an e-mail account with out ur name, like yahoo. write the mail and do not go into detail... just explain... it is thier job to investigate the events going on in the program. nursing schools feel like they are not apart of any school. i sent an e-mail, the instructor's thought anyother student sent it b/c she went and talked with the dean, and she might fail this semester.... and i and others hang out with her. my instructor told me that i was going to stop hanging out with her IF i was to continue in the program.... what to do? what ever u do... do not put ur name out there.... instrutors grade very subjectivly... thus can fail u if they want to. be careful. let the dean respond to ur mail and they will... just be careful!!! i cannot stress this enough. i pray that i do not fail b/c of what i have done. ur not being a coward for not giving your name,,, ur covering ur but and all the hard work u have done.. here is the letter i wrote....... it's long, but might give u more of an outline of what TO say........

    hope this helps you. good luck and be careful....

    dean,
    blank has always been a wonderful place to gain great knowledge, make long lasting friendships, and have a degree that they are proud of receiving. This past fall semester i started the RN program. I am now in the second semester of the program. There are many concerns that others and I have concerning the nursing program that need to be brought to your attention. In hopes that you can correct to some degree the problems will bring great relief to the students, future students, and health care community that will be served through the program. I understand that all new programs have there problems whether it be _____ or another College, university, and/or school. Getting accredited is very important to -----, and to everyone that is/has invested time into the program. Ms. , Ms. , and Ms. have been pleaded with over our concerns to no avail. Please understand that I am not alone in this plea for change/help.
    Blood, sweat, and tears go into a RN degree, no doubt. The people remain in this program have given blood, sweat, and tears thus far. I do fully agree that nursing school is supposed to be hard and stressful to a degree. All of time is spent studying for exams. To date, emphasis is placed on passing the NCLEX-RN exam, excluding the ability to take care of human life upon completion of the program. ----- has a great reputation so I fully expected to be taught how to be an efficient nurse/RN. I, like others, put in several hours into studying each day. I am finding it very difficult to display my knowledge through my exams because most of the exam questions are extremely advanced. Every exam is extremely advance for our knowledge thus far. Some questions do not reflect what is in the book/books or the material that we are to cover. To dispute a question we have to fill out a form and give five references to back it up. We are not allowed to see out exams once we have taken it not even by appointment. It is hard to give references on questions when they are not in the book. Past or future material is fair game for the exams. We are tested on material that is not even discussed in class one time. Most students find that it does not benefit them to study for exams. In most instances the students that do not study make a higher grade on an exam than the ones studying. We are given a CRE on a skill then tested on demonstrating the skill. We are to take a CRE on material that we have not talked about ever and have two chances to pass the CRE. If we do not pass it on the second time then we are out of the program. We are not made known how to do a skill until the day of testing for that skill. We have three chances to pass the skill or we are kicked out of the program. It is an everyday occurrence that we might be kicked out for something. The greatest majority of the courses are self-taught. Class time does not cover one-third that might be on an exam. Class time is not effective or time management of the content. Class time is a waste of time, time that we can be studying at home. Nursing school should be stressful but not this much. The schedule is changed on day-to-day bases. We are in a perpetual state of confusion. One example: Nur 251 was scheduled for Wednesday 11:30-2:30 and is now Thursday 9:00-12:00. The lab for Nur 251 was scheduled for Thursday or Friday and is now on Wednesday from 8:30-3:00. The schedule again will change when we go to clinical on February 17th. It is very difficult to work when the schedule is always changing. We all went through 'boot camp' the first semester and have twenty people left in our class out of sixty. We have no self-esteem left. We have one instructor that makes sure that we do not have any self worth. We are broken down with no building back up in sight. We are reminded every day how we might not make it through this program. We are reminded daily on how we do not have the knowledge but expected to have all knowledge for any exam. "A" students are barely passing. Exams are truly a guessing game.

    I will not give you my name because I am fearful of being kicked out of the program. They cannot kick me out for writing to you but they will find a way to have me out of the program if they desire to do so. I have worked too hard to have this transpire. I trust that you understand.

    It is very difficult to get into another program at this point. We would have to start over again and wait another year. I will not give up on the dream that I have had since I was young, "I will be a RN". Please help with out plea. We had to go through a lot to get into this program. We have paid a lot of money to get this degree. We do not want it to be money wasted. We have put so much time into this goal/dream. We have sacrificed time with our families for this career and life. Tears fall freely when you want something so much. All the studying we can do is in no way enough to successfully pass with pride. What ever you can do will be greatly appreciated

    Quote from daisywill
    I am so frustrated and pissed off with my nursing program. The racism has gotten out of control. Also the treatment that they give all students that they have notions about and have targeted makes me sick. I am doing very well in my program and a group of students and I want to go to the dean and even the president of the school..so they can investigate our program. But there is no reason why I should fear that the professors are going to tamper with my grade if they found out. I dont know what to do. This program is very militant and its getting out of hand. The way my nursing departmentf handles things is very unethical. Any advice? How can I avoid being one of the targets? I am a minority...but one of the lucky ones because "they like me". Thanks.


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