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I'm not going to lie... - page 7

Some people genuinely annoy me on here, I'm ALL for furthering education but dreading those of us who choose to start with our ADN is complete disrespect. Had my mother been healthier (she has RA... Read More

  1. Visit  Dembitz profile page
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    Everyone thinks of an associate's degree as a very basic, two year degree. In reality, that's not true, as the ADN takes more than two years when you consider the 1-2 semesters of prerequisites required. I don't think there any other associate's-level programs that are similar. So to start, I think the ADN label is almost somewhat of a misnomer in the nursing field, as ADN's have more credits than their fellow associate's-level educated peers.

    But consider the degree level of every other non-MD/DO group working in the hospital. Physical therapists have a doctorate, and speech pathologists have a master's degree (referring to newer entrants into the field, not older professionals). From what I can see, respiratory therapy and radiology tech are pushing to transition away from the associate's degree to bachelor's or higher. I'm not going to argue that one nursing degree is inferior to the other, but I do think we should push for degree parity with these other professionals. What we do is just as important and requires just as impressive a knowledge base, our degree should reflect that.
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  2. Visit  ixchel profile page
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    Quote from Anoetos
    I'd love to see the evidence for this
    I think she meant local to her, not on a national level.
  3. Visit  Anoetos profile page
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    Quote from ixchel
    I think she meant local to her, not on a national level.
    Nonetheless, I'd like to see the support.
  4. Visit  Stephalump profile page
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    Quote from Anoetos
    Nonetheless, I'd like to see the support.
    All you'd need to do is look at the website of a BON. There is a minimum, not a maximum. By virtue of that, you cannot accurately say it's impossible for different programs to have varying amounts of clinical time. So will have the bare minimum. Some will have more. The curriculum isn't that standardized (at least not everywhere.)
    Last edit by Stephalump on Feb 10, '13
  5. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from Stephalump

    All you'd need to do is look at the website of a BON. There is a minimum, not a maximum. By virtue of that, you cannot accurately say it's impossible for different programs to have varying amounts of clinical time. So will have the bare minimum. Some will have more. The curriculum isn't that standardized (at least not everywhere.)
    I think he was referring to the sweeping statement about how ADNs have more clinical hours because BSNs are in lecture instead of clinical. Some programs may offer more clinic time ; some may offer more quality clinic time, and still others may offer more supervised lab and sim time.

    Regardless it's a moot point.
  6. Visit  Stephalump profile page
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    I didn't make a sweeping statement. I used an anecdote, and I will not be submitting evidence to corroborate my personal experience in one tiny section of the world, because it isn't the crux of the matter.

    The point was being made that Idea #1 (All ADNs get more clinical time) must be false because Idea #2 (All programs have the same clinical time) is true.

    Unfortunately, Idea #2 is false. That doesn't mean Idea #1 is necessarily a fact. Just that no one has proved it to be untrue.

    Anyway, it is a moot point, really.
  7. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Just curious, what program/school do you go to and how many semesters?
  8. Visit  heartsgal profile page
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    Quote from BostonFNP
    Just curious, what program/school do you go to and how many semesters?
    I attend a community college in the Houston area and the ADN program is 4 semesters (2 years) after being admitted and after pre-reqs of Algebra, English, Bio A&P 1 and 2, Micro-Bio, Pharmacology, Sociology, and Psych and Psych Life Span, Humanities or qualifying Cultural Art and PE. I began very slow the first 2 semesters to get back in the groove of learning, because it had been 20+ years since I had taken a college course. So for me it was 4 years January since I took my first class. At 48 I am the 3rd oldest student in my graduating class. I am so proud of myself, because this has truly been the hardest thing I have ever done!! Lord knows I know difficult, since I've given birth to 2- 9 1/2 lb babies and raised 3 children lol I know I will also enjoy getting my BSN, but it could never mean as much to me as graduating from Nursing school will with my current classmates.
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  9. Visit  FDW630 profile page
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    I'm in a 4-semester ADN program, too. It took me 3yrs to do my prereqs as a stay-at-home mom, working around schedules of my babysitters. As soon as I pass my NCLEX, I can take the RN to BSN courses that my college offers. So I am getting my BSN from a glorified community college with a great reputation among local hospitals for about $16k, including books and uniforms during the ADN program. Steal.
  10. Visit  cm13sc profile page
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    I do not understand why people are going back and forth over the issue. There are great BSN programs and there are great ADN programs. Everyone chooses to attend a certain program based on what works for them at the time. I am in a BSN program but I do not think that I am any better than ADN students(I have plenty of friends in ADN programs). However, I do think that there should only be one level of entry into the nursing field. I think nursing would be more respected as a profession if BSN was the minimum entry level. Lets all be honest even an ADN (which is considered a two year degree) takes longer than two years. The fact that there are three ways in which one can enter the field is quite confusing and seems skeptical to people that aren't in the field. I know cost is a factor for many who choose to go the ADN route. Hopefully BSN programs can become more affordable in the future.
  11. Visit  PatMac10,RN profile page
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    I about to graduate from an ADN program in 3 months. People do a lot of talking....... And that's all it is inane cases useless banter. All I can say is let them talk and let time and opportunity be your friend. Also let statistics be your ally. In the past year I've seen the release of many articles in professional/academic journals, "leisure/entertainment journals, in the president's and governor's speeches etc... About the increasing value of community college and technical education as time moves forward.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jmaureen...ncial-success/

    http://lifeinc.today.com/_news/2012/...han-four-years

    It scares me when some people talk about how much they have to pay back loans right out if school, and they shoot me nasty looks when they ask and I tell them I haven't had to take out one loan yet, and will not have to for my BSN, that I will start the summer after I graduate.

    With all the time added up to get my ADN and BSN, yes it will be 4 years, but I would have started working after 3.

    So one day when your sitting at a desk and everyone is talking about school, you can feel confident that you made the right decision. In my area ADNs can still get jobs easily.

    Really when someone educated at a level higher than yours, shows disdain or preference for individuals with specific credentials, it A.) Shows that college doesn't necessarily make you open-minded and B.) Put plain and simply, they're acting as if they're envious or jealous because you were "qualified" enough to do the exact same job they are doing.

    No matter what many may argue, the plain fact is, nursing school prepared you to enter into practice and pass NCLEX as a minimally competent nurse. The NCSBN apparently doesn't see a gap in ADN and BSN education as to require two different licensure examinations. Enough said right there.
  12. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from PatMac10,SN
    Put plain and simply, they're acting as if they're envious or jealous because you were "qualified" enough to do the exact same job they are doing.

    No matter what many may argue, the plain fact is, nursing school prepared you to enter into practice and pass NCLEX as a minimally competent nurse. Enough said right there.
    Enough said.

    Qualified in quotes and minimally competent.

    This should be nursing educations goal?
  13. Visit  heartsgal profile page
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    Quote from PatMac10,SN
    I about to graduate from an ADN program in 3 months. People do a lot of talking....... And that's all it is inane cases useless banter. All I can say is let them talk and let time and opportunity be your friend. Also let statistics be your ally. In the past year I've seen the release of many articles in professional/academic journals, "leisure/entertainment journals, in the president's and governor's speeches etc... About the increasing value of community college and technical education as time moves forward.

    Forget Four More Years: Why Community College Could Be Your Ticket To Financial Success - Forbes

    In the math of education, two years sometimes is worth more than four years - Life Inc.

    It scares me when some people talk about how much they have to pay back loans right out if school, and they shoot me nasty looks when they ask and I tell them I haven't had to take out one loan yet, and will not have to for my BSN, that I will start the summer after I graduate.

    With all the time added up to get my ADN and BSN, yes it will be 4 years, but I would have started working after 3.

    So one day when your sitting at a desk and everyone is talking about school, you can feel confident that you made the right decision. In my area ADNs can still get jobs easily.

    Really when someone educated at a level higher than yours, shows disdain or preference for individuals with specific credentials, it A.) Shows that college doesn't necessarily make you open-minded and B.) Put plain and simply, they're acting as if they're envious or jealous because you were "qualified" enough to do the exact same job they are doing.

    No matter what many may argue, the plain fact is, nursing school prepared you to enter into practice and pass NCLEX as a minimally competent nurse. The NCSBN apparently doesn't see a gap in ADN and BSN education as to require two different licensure examinations. Enough said right there.
    Very well said

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