What's Wrong With 21st Century Nursing

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I love being a nurse and all that this profession was, is, and will be, but there is still something that deeply troubles me about this profession as a whole.

Working in a fast paced environment and a haven of knowledge I often find myself wondering what we could do better as a profession to keep up with the cutting edge.

My issue: nurses don't know enough.

From nursing school up to staff nurse, nurses just aren't taught enough.

I often find myself admiring just how much effort goes into a physician's education.

I love how doctors respect one anothers expertise and how their is a culture of teaching and learning in medicine. The chief teaches the resident or medical student, wealth is shared and the medical profession as a whole in turn reaps the benefits of shared knowledge.

Don't get me wrong we nurses can learn so much from each other, but are we? Do we share?

Sometimes I wish nursing school was longer and was less about the fluff and more about real time situations. Too much goes into learning how to pass meds and cleaning patients. Too little goes into how to monitor your patients, what signs to look for and basic bedside skills.

I was miffed when in my first semester of clinical we were sent to a nursing home to basically learn how to give bed baths and pass medications, as if that was all a nurse did. The next semesters were not much different at all, again learning how to pass meds, and look in charts.

I was also irritated on how little we actually learned about certain diseases, what to look for and tying that into the clinical aspect! (in regards to how lab data, patient presentation, medications, all rope together to help you think critically)

Sure nothing prepares you for the real world, but shouldn't you atleast be as prepared as you can be?

I'd love to be able to read CT scans/x-rays. I hate answering questions of worried patients/family member without knowing the entire picture. I hate saying ''oh the doctor has to tell you more about that'' because I lack the basic foundation doctors are drilled to have. Why should I be a bedside nurse for 10 years to know the things that a second year resident knows?

What bothers me also is how much more valued physicians are! Even physicians in training! Any given hospital has no issue paying a resident up to $70k/yr, a resident or intern who most likely won't stay at that hospital he or she trained in after they become an attending. But to train a new grad nurse or pay for continuing education for nursing staff is always a budget issue.

I love hospitals that value nurses enough to have something called a ''clinical ladder'' were a nurse is trained and prepared for a role of greater responsibility.

I love when a hospital puts time and money into training new hires, especially new graduates. I cannot tell you how enraged I was when I found out a prospective employer would only give a new grad nurse 2 weeks of bedside training for the ER of all places? With a crappy 4 weeks of classroom training to learn about paperwork!

I find myself wanting more. No, med school is no longer my dream. There is something special and unique about nursing, but I'm tired of nursing schools training students just to pass NCLEX, train us on how to be NURSES! I envision a nursing where nurses receive high quality education and training and in turn have a greater say in each and every single patients' care.

But until we value each other, our own profession, and our own value as professionals, nothing will change.

Specializes in Pedi.

I disagree that nurses "don't know enough". We find ourselves teaching residents on a daily basis. And I don't know where the OP got these numbers from, but residents at my facility make less than I do and I work 3 days a week, not 7.

I work in pediatrics on a specialty floor so we frequently have residents rotating through from adult facilities. They know the specialty but not the population. I have had to "teach" residents anything from normal pediatric vital signs (no, it's not ok that this 2 month old with hydrocephalus's heart rate is 80 and she's not sleeping, she's unresponsive) to the difference between cerebral salt wasting and SIADH on a night shift when we were trying to diagnose a patient and determine the appropriate treatment. In that case, it was a general medicine resident doing an oncology rotation covering neuro-oncology. Said resident admitted she had never seen either disorder. As nurses, we deal with both relatively frequently on my floor.

As others have said, a big part of your knowledge base is up to you. If you think you don't know enough, take the time to learn! I learned a great deal on one weekend last month (about a diagnosis we see relatively rarely but will be seeing more often due to a new clinical trial) by picking the covering Attending's brain.

They're also required to facilitate additional learning opportunities above and beyond what is simply required, thanks to the hard work at the bargaining table by our union reps. However, their efforts to meet this requirement are merely token gestures and not meaningful at all.

Clearly, the OP is not the only one who thinks nursing education above and beyond the basics of nursing care is important.

Whether the responsibility for that lies on nursing schools, facilities that employ nurses, or nurses themselves, is a matter of opinion.

Personally, I feel it is a mixture of the three. I was fortunate enough to attend an excellent nursing program that gave me a well rounded foundation of basic nursing, pharmacology, pathophysiology, and skills with which to begin my nursing career. I have an inquisitive mind that compels me to read, research, and learn on my own time. The weak link is the facility in which I work.

I don't think it's too much to ask, for example, to have some inservice on pediatric trauma. If we were a facility that never received this patient population because there was a pediatric ED/Trauma Center right down the road, I would feel differently. But I work at a Level 2 Regional Trauma Center, and we see a significant amount of children coming through our ED.

Attend conferences/seminars? They're nonexistent in my area. Read a book? Yeah, that's nice, and not out of the realm of possibility, but some of us retain information more effectively from a classroom/interactive format where we can ask questions and have discussions. If my facility expects me to provide competent care to a six year old with head trauma, how is it too much to ask for some education?

I worked on an inpatient unit. Our clinical educator was swamped just trying to keep up with basic certifications, unit based competencies, and scheduling new employees for orientation. So, they hired an assistant for her. All of a sudden, there were bulletin boards with journal articles and seminars relevant to our practice plastered all over the place. There was a push for everyone to get their PCCN; books were bought and passed around, study groups were formed. People were really excited and we felt really valued by our institution. I don't know what happened, but that assistant is now working the floor as a staff nurse, and all that education has gone down the crapper.

I understand that the OP was referring to the nursing school portion of nursing education being lacking, and my experience was different. I felt we were given an appropriate mixture of basic nursing and higher level knowledge. However, it is my understanding that this is not universal among nursing schools, and that there are some programs that are woefully lacking. I don't think we should dismiss the OP's concerns out of hand without really knowing where on the spectrum his/her program falls.

Edited to add: I have taken care of many retired nurses. They all say the same thing; that nursing has REALLY changed since they were working. People are sicker, there are more medications and treatments available, and nurses need to know more than they did in the past. Is it possible that there exist some nursing programs that have not kept up well with the changes?

Specializes in School Nurse, Maternal Newborn.

Edited to add: I have taken care of many retired nurses. They all say the same thing; that nursing has REALLY changed since they were working. People are sicker, there are more medications and treatments available, and nurses need to know more than they did in the past. Is it possible that there exist some nursing programs that have not kept up well with the changes

I am an RN that graduated 35 years ago, from a diploma program (got BS later). When I hear older nurses say "back when I was in nursing school it was (fill in the blanks), with the suggestion that nursing school was much more difficult in those days. I heartily and vocally disagree with them, believe me! Things are far more difficult now. With the rapid pace of changing technology, you have to know far more just to graduate, much less function as an RN! I have had 35 years to learn each change as it came down the road, but the body of knowledge necessary now is phenomenal. A student I was mentoring in my office was shocked to hear me say " I don't even know if I could get through school and pass boards as I had all those years ago," as all she had been hearing from the long experienced nurses was about how tough school had been in their day.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Academics.

I graduated less than a year ago. Are responders to this thread conveniently forgetting the pathophys woven into every non-theory class or did your schools really not teach it?

We covered the pathophys, s/s, nursing actions, and medical interventions for DVTs, PEs, CVAs, MIs, CHF, renal failure, hyper/hypoglycemia, asthma/COPD, some ortho management (mainly hip replacements), acute respiratory distress, etc. We covered lab values and their meanings. We covered the diagnostic imaging tools for common conditions. All of this was applied, when possible, with those nasty careplans.

If new grads don't have skills, and, as many of you say, they don't have the medical part of nursing, what do schools these days teach?! I might complain that my school didn't teach skills very well, but I do have a good base of knowledge on the medical end.

I'm all for science but it seems we're getting dangerously close to deciding it's the science that matters and the art is not important. Some seem to want to toss the art altogether.

The best clinicians are experts at the art and the science.

It'd be wonderful if all employers had a robust staff development plan and did more than chase everyone's annual competencies up - that's not good enough in my opinion. But, if your place of employment isn't offering enough (or isn't offering anything), you have to do it yourself. That's part of being a professional.

You can never learn it all through formal education or book learning, you have to see it and do it and be in it over and over again to start approaching a point where you begin to know enough.

Nope, don't want to throw the art out altogether, just sometimes get frustrated at how many different directions we're pulled, with inadequate support, and I really hate how those that speak out get labeled negatively.

Specializes in Oncology/Haemetology/HIV.
I agree that education is lacking. Instead of the time wasters like nursing theories I wish we spent more time in school going over common diseases and what to do/look for. As a new grad, I think sometimes you don't even know what to look for. You have to read up on illnesses and nursing a lot on your own while writing 50 page papers on bs theories of care and other garbage. It is embarassing.
I have to wonder where you went to school because what to report to the MD, what to look for, assessing for certain issues, was covered quite a bit in my nursing program. And in the programs of many nurses of my generation.

Stargazer thank you for saying everything I didnt. I'm sitting here just shaking my head at some of these responses. How could some of you jump to the conclusion that I don't take it upon myself to learn? Did some of you even read my second post, i have bought textbooks, done ceu, doing certifications, etc... , pick the brains of attendings, residents, nurse educators, managers to learn. I have even asked my nurse manager to give me more rotation in certain areas!

Secondly the residents at MY facility make $70k max, which the rns make more, I mean c'mon now every facility doesnt pay its staff the same salary.

They're also required to facilitate additional learning opportunities above and beyond what is simply required, thanks to the hard work at the bargaining table by our union reps. However, their efforts to meet this requirement are merely token gestures and not meaningful at all.

Clearly, the OP is not the only one who thinks nursing education above and beyond the basics of nursing care is important.

Whether the responsibility for that lies on nursing schools, facilities that employ nurses, or nurses themselves, is a matter of opinion.

Personally, I feel it is a mixture of the three. I was fortunate enough to attend an excellent nursing program that gave me a well rounded foundation of basic nursing, pharmacology, pathophysiology, and skills with which to begin my nursing career. I have an inquisitive mind that compels me to read, research, and learn on my own time. The weak link is the facility in which I work.

I don't think it's too much to ask, for example, to have some inservice on pediatric trauma. If we were a facility that never received this patient population because there was a pediatric ED/Trauma Center right down the road, I would feel differently. But I work at a Level 2 Regional Trauma Center, and we see a significant amount of children coming through our ED.

Attend conferences/seminars? They're nonexistent in my area. Read a book? Yeah, that's nice, and not out of the realm of possibility, but some of us retain information more effectively from a classroom/interactive format where we can ask questions and have discussions. If my facility expects me to provide competent care to a six year old with head trauma, how is it too much to ask for some education?

I worked on an inpatient unit. Our clinical educator was swamped just trying to keep up with basic certifications, unit based competencies, and scheduling new employees for orientation. So, they hired an assistant for her. All of a sudden, there were bulletin boards with journal articles and seminars relevant to our practice plastered all over the place. There was a push for everyone to get their PCCN; books were bought and passed around, study groups were formed. People were really excited and we felt really valued by our institution. I don't know what happened, but that assistant is now working the floor as a staff nurse, and all that education has gone down the crapper.

I understand that the OP was referring to the nursing school portion of nursing education being lacking, and my experience was different. I felt we were given an appropriate mixture of basic nursing and higher level knowledge. However, it is my understanding that this is not universal among nursing schools, and that there are some programs that are woefully lacking. I don't think we should dismiss the OP's concerns out of hand without really knowing where on the spectrum his/her program falls.

Edited to add: I have taken care of many retired nurses. They all say the same thing; that nursing has REALLY changed since they were working. People are sicker, there are more medications and treatments available, and nurses need to know more than they did in the past. Is it possible that there exist some nursing programs that have not kept up well with the changes?

Unfortunately my nursing school didnt go as indept.

I graduated less than a year ago. Are responders to this thread conveniently forgetting the pathophys woven into every non-theory class or did your schools really not teach it?

We covered the pathophys, s/s, nursing actions, and medical interventions for DVTs, PEs, CVAs, MIs, CHF, renal failure, hyper/hypoglycemia, asthma/COPD, some ortho management (mainly hip replacements), acute respiratory distress, etc. We covered lab values and their meanings. We covered the diagnostic imaging tools for common conditions. All of this was applied, when possible, with those nasty careplans.

If new grads don't have skills, and, as many of you say, they don't have the medical part of nursing, what do schools these days teach?! I might complain that my school didn't teach skills very well, but I do have a good base of knowledge on the medical end.

Specializes in Med Surg.

You got messed over then. There's something wrong with a program that doesn't teach those things--what else did you during school? I'm not being snarky, I really want to know.

I went through an LPN program than straight into my ASN. We did all of that and more. When I graduated 6 months ago, I was ready to be functioning as a new grad. There really wasn't much more that could be taught, it was time to apply those skills and that knowledge and start putting it all together, which could only be done by being a nurse, not a student. I'm sorry others didn't get that same education.

Specializes in LTC Rehab Med/Surg.

This thread kinda reminds me of my granddaughter saying she likes chicken noodle soup.

As long as you take out the chicken, the carrots, the celery the onion and the broth.

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Specializes in M/S, ICU, ICP.

HIP HIP HOORAYYYY:yeah::yeah::yeah:

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