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      Yes, this nurse should be fired...no matter how excellent.
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      No, this nurse should NOT be fired, it happens...even to excellent nurses.

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Had an interesting situation that came up and thought I'd throw it out for discussion.

One of our staff RNs was found sitting in a chair and sleeping at the bedside of one of our ventilator patients at 7am. She tells me that the patient was very restless and they had been constantly watching him throughout the night shift because of the fear of him pulling his trach out. They found he would settle down when someone sat with him and held his hand (how basic can nursing care get?). So, periodically during the night different staff members sat at his bedside. The nurse in question says that at 5am she had caught up on all her charting and told her co-workers that she was going to sit down in the room with the patient. She sat down, took his hand and he immediately quieted down. She sat back and the next thing she knew someone was waking her and telling her it was 7am. She jumped up and worked on giving her 6am meds and ended up giving an oral report to the oncoming shift (we tape report).

A very serious decision has to be made here. This is a really excellent nurse and I'm afraid there will be no choice but to fire her and report her to the Board of Nursing. I understand that she did not intend to fall asleep and that she was helping the patient, but rules are rules, aren't they? How I wish this hadn't been reported. Our facility rules clearly state "no sleeping on the job". Our Human Resources Office and the Director of Nursing will make the final decision. What do you all think?

Now know this is from a patients (five surgeries the most recent this past August) point of view (I am a hopefull student nurse in a year or two):

She should not be fired, she should be held accountable and get written up, and mabey some other type of diciplin, but fireing her is over the top. She was just sitting quietly with a patient and fell asleep. If ANYONE is tired and sits in a dark quiet room the are bound to nod off. If I found my nurse asleep I would actually feel bad for her that she was that tired not angry that it had happened.

Some nurses make much worse mistakes. Like not giving pain meds for a couple of hours. I got moved from ICU to the neuro floor and before I left ICU I asked for pain meds. They said I could get them as soon as I got to the floor, when I got to the floor the nurse couldn't give them to me because she had not, it was either she had not ordered the PCA pump for me or she had not assembled it, if memory serves right it was that she had not assembled it but I could be wrong.

Just my opinion

I work on call as a hospice nurse. If every nurse got fired for sleeping on the job there would be no nurses. In some nursing homes the entire staff is sleeping when I walk in for a death visit.

I worked in a hospital in NJ were the entire RN staff slept in geri chairs for 2-3 hours. All of the nurses worked two jobs. It was wrong, but the supervisor allowed it because she couldn't get nurses to work nights.

Maybe the question should be what pay and benefits do we need to hire qualified nurses that won't sleep on the job. This nurse sounds like she sat down and the dawn hours closed her eyes.

I am 51 years old and it is harder and harder to be a nurse with high patient care standards in the prevailing conditions and sad to say some nurses I sometimes work with. Sometimes feel like a dinosaur.

Sounds like you'll be a great nurse; best wishes for a successful career!

hi joyful your input is a godsend thanks:)

Specializes in Critical Care, ER.
The first question that will be asked is- Was anybody hurt? Did she neglect her patients? Yes the meds were late, but that happens. I really doubt she will lose her liscense over this. Things like this happen. Nobody was hurt because of it.

EXACTLY.

It has been a while since I've been to allnurses.com - a couple of years, in fact. I still get the newsletter and glance at it - and I was intrigued by the title of this thread so I came to see what it was about. I read the situation and my first reaction was - why would anyone even need to wonder about this situation? An otherwise excellent nurse unintentionally falls asleep in a situation where that would be easy to happen; no harm to any patients .... I have to admit, I was taken aback by the contraversy. Some of the responses reminded me of why I stopped coming to this forum. Fortunately, I also found the type of compassionate and thoughtful responses I used to come here for.

BTW, I went on a job interview today with a home health agency. I mentioned this website to the interviewer - and this thread. Happily, she was of the same mind as me; I would not have considered accepting a position at this agency if she was not. (Her comment had been - discuss with nurse, maybe put something in employee file in case it happens again).

Specializes in Occupational Health Nursing/ Med/ Surg.

:saint: Will all the perfect saints in the house hold their hand up!!!

None of us are perfect, and even the most excellent nurse makes mistakes. Should you fire everyone who mades a mistake or who slip up sometimes.? No I do not think so. So many nurses in " administration" make mistakes or slip sometimes, and who knows about it? Give the nurse a break. Keeping watch over this restless patient might have worn her out. It is not professional what happened, but! sitting with him and seeing him so calm, might have had a sedating effect on her too.

My opinion is that she should be reprimanded and cautioned not to allow this behavior to reoccur. I am almost sure that if she is the excellent nurse you say she is this will never happen again. Give her a break:crying2:

Specializes in NICU, PICU, educator.

I'd have to say...is she a habitual sleeper? Was she hiding? I can see this happening to ANYONE....it is the end of a long night, you are sitting there, you're sitting there holding this person's hand, no one to talk to, you start to kind of daydream and then you drift. Are all of the people who jumped on the fire her wagon saying that they have never ever ever found them self kind of in a daze at some point in their career? If you have only worked days, yeah I can see it, but never say it couldn't happen to you.

I think that if anything she should be suspended and the incident looked into. It wasn't like she snuck off and snuggled down in a patient's room. And whose patient was this anyways? Where was THAT person??? Gee, your patient has been quiet for 2 hours, but you don't check on him? That other nurse didn't take over your assignment, she is just helping out. I don't expect anyone who comes to hold a cranky kid to be responsible for that kid all the way!

Oh and they couldn't get any aides or anyone to sit with this patient...even in our adult ICU's our supervisors will pull an aide from the floor to sit with a restless patient. Maybe this unit needs to look into this. Or request that a family member stay if feasible.

That's why i think she should get fired.

Who CARES about the hospital. I've never seen or heard of an institution going to bat for a nurse, why should we care about the hospital????

Various forms of discipline can be used without firing this nurse -

Who CARES about the hospital. I've never seen or heard of an institution going to bat for a nurse, why should we care about the hospital????

Sad, but so true. Too bad so many nurses don't understand that. :(

So, Daytonite, did this nurse come back from her 7 day suspension? How is she doing? Did you get more information?

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