What can I do with my BSN that Assoc. RN's can't? - page 5
I just graduated with my BSN this spring. I'm working as a PCA2/Graduate Nurse at a local hospital until I take my boards... I am taking my HESI tomorrow at the college I graduated from. This is an... Read More
Jun 20, '04Where I work, less than a dollar an hour is given for new grads with a BSN. The hospital makes no descrimination in hiring between ADN or BSN. The managers are BSN, but not necessarily the assistant managers. In the education department, they have masters, and the main instructor isn't even a nurse, he has an MPH.
I hope they make BSN the entry level position and grandfather in ADNs like me so I will get paid more as the salaries go up.
Jul 5, '04I am 54 years old and will graduate with my BSN in May 2005. It has not been easy, but I am preparing for the future in case I decide to get away from critical care and the ER. I expect to work until I retire and the BSN will give me an opportunity to find a nursing niche more suitable as I grow older.
Jul 5, '04AAS nurses will not laugh at you. :imbar I think a good number of us are wondering if we should have gone for the BSN in the first place, or if we should go back to school for it.
Where I work, the regional administrator is an AAS nurse, the DON is an AAS nurse, and so is the director of staff education. The PD dept. coodinator is a diploma school nurse.
There are four BSNs at my facility and they all work the floor doing direct pt care.
My employer does not pay BSNs any more than AAS nurses. In fact, I just found out that I am making $4.00/hr more than one of the BSN nurses, because I've been a nurse for 12 years, and he's been a nurse for 4 years.
Even though the BSN is not valued over the AAS in some areas, it is in others.
I think Dixielee has a very good point.
Her BSN has enabled her to do a job that "she could do from a wheelchair" and it is still nursing. Nursing is a physically demanding job. My back is wrecked, and I wonder where I'll be when it fianally goes out for good. I think I'd feel much more secure if I had a BSN.
In my mind- more education = more security.
Jul 5, '04I started my career w/an associate degree - wouldn't have done it any other way! Why? Because the board passage rate for my school compared to the two 4 year programs was close to 100% compared to their 75% and 60%. Also, I received a scholarship based on GPA only, so was able to attend for $14/credit hour, compared to $10,000 a semester. It wasn't a difficult decision... That was in 1986...
I worked as a staff nurse for 12 years, straight nites, all ICU - loved every minute of it. I wouldn't have been paid a dime more for a BSN. I went back to school because I wanted to go to grad school - THAT is something you can do with a BSN that ADNs cannot do. I'm a PNP now, and will start my PhD in the fall of 2005 - because I cannot believe we turn away tens of THOUSANDS of students per year due to lack of instructors, then raid other countries' supply of nurses because - damn(!) - we have a nursing shortage...
As for quality of nurses? It depends on motivation of the person - not the degree you hold. If you are motivated to keep up on latest practice, commit yourself to being the best you can be, practice evidence based medicine/nursing..that's what makes a quality RN, NOT what the letters are behind your name...
Bobbie Salveson MS RN CPNP
Jul 5, '04Congrats. On the floor you're not going to notice a difference. You never know though if hospital floor nursing is where you want to spend your entire career. It's nice to have options and education.
Jul 5, '04Quote from RoaminHankRNI disagree. If you've earned those degrees, you deserve to be recognized for it. We all know it won't be in the paycheck. That ADN, Diploma or BSN is something that can't be taken away from you. Whatever way you got the RN, you should wear it loud and proud! This dance is what I'll be doing when I complete my ADN in May!:hatparty:We should do away with all the extra letters at the end of your name on the badge and stick with RN. Do you really think a patient, physician or other healthcare provider cares if you are BSN, ADN or what have you?
Jul 5, '04This all very interesting... And most know what I am about to say... The only letters I care about belong to G O D!!! He is the reason for the season in the first place. I congratulate anyone, if I knew they had a higher degree in nursing and/or in anything else, unless they made it a point to let me know at every moment we had a conversation. That happens in every working situation, all different levels of education of people working together for a common cause. God Bless us all with or without a "degree".Last edit by ADNCyn on Jul 5, '04
Jul 5, '04>snip<
but don't think you're above those other ADN nurses... they will surely put you in your place, real fast. just because you're a BSN and the others are ADN doesn't mean that you are a "better" nurse. it just means that you had a few extra classes (around here, those are humanities) than they did. a lot of ADN nurses have bach. degrees in other fields.
remember, you can always have something to learn from an experienced RN. and most likely, based on the fact that most RN's are ADN nurses, some of the best RN's in your hospital are ADN nurses!
we all take the same NCLEX, and we all put our pants on one leg at a time.[/QUOTE]
And that's the truth. On my (evening) shift, on my unit, we have 6 RNs - 4 of us have BAs in something other than nursing, and 2 of us have Master's degrees, so don't assume you are better educated than those around you. And NEVER forget that an education doesn't make you smarter, only better informed. Lots of nurses have lived their education. See point made above. and don't forget that you can learn a lot fron the CNAs and the LPNs or whoever else you work with.
It has been my experience that the BSN nurses have the LEAST clinical experience, the AND nurses have a middleing amount and the LPN/LVN nurses have the greatest amount of clinical experience coming out of school, at least in the area (NYC).
Good luck on your boards - I found it a terrifying experience, tho I did well, and congratulations on graduating - it's a major accomplishment, but is is just the first step of learning the skills of nursing.
Jul 5, '04Quote from nursecookie1That's the same reason I want to get my BSN. People ask me why I want to get it if RN's do not get compensated for having a BSN and I have no desire to move into administration/management.I am 54 years old and will graduate with my BSN in May 2005. It has not been easy, but I am preparing for the future in case I decide to get away from critical care and the ER. I expect to work until I retire and the BSN will give me an opportunity to find a nursing niche more suitable as I grow older.
All I know is this...I'm 34 now and I know that I will not be able to turn and lift 250++ pounds of dead weight in an ICU forever. Most men will not admit that but we will all get older.
I even see nurses who are younger than me but very out of shape and they are huffing and puffing throughout their shift. I have no idea what they think they are going to do to earn a living as they get older and even more out of shape.
This kind of work is fine for now but I think it does catch up to people and we all need to be thinking and planning ahead.
Jul 6, '04IMO, the most valuable skill a nurse can have is to be bilingual.
I know of a situation where an AAS nurse was chosen over an MSN nurse for a public health job, because the AAS nurse was bilingual, and the MSN nurse was not.
The job required the nurse to direct a public health office and write federal grant money applications. Still, the AAS nurse got the job.
Jul 6, '04One thing that you can do with a BSN that I haven't seen anyone else here post is that you can join the military as an officer. I am in the Air Force Nurse Corps, and if I didn't have a BSN, that wouldn't be possible. I am really enjoying the AF so far, although I work a lot, and no overtime pay--lol. But, after working in the civilian sector for 8 years, this is a nice change, and it has afforded me the opportunity to work on my master's degree with 100% Tuition assistance. So, there are options available. Education is never wasted!
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Jul 6, '04[font=Arial Black]I can only speak from a California perspective, but our RN scope of practice applies to all Diploma, ADN, BSN, MSN the only difference is when some one becomes a Nurse practioner. It is up to the policy of each health care organization if they want to make policies that state BSN prepared RN's do something different. I know in California an RN has to have a BSN or MSN to go into management in the teaching hospitals and that is because of their policy. In California you have to have a BSN to become a public nurse or a WOCN, also have to have a BSN to be a Director of Nurses in a college that teaches LVN's and RN's. Also to get an RN license in some foregin countries you have to have a BSN. Sounds like the fact you have a BSN is an issue to you. It is not going to be an issue to anyone else outside of the person who hires you and places you in a position. , True you dont have to get a BSN to get more money or to be offered the many management positions that are available in nursing. It is just a matter of personal choice. Because you are dealing with human beings a BSN will not give you the compassion, values and people skills that nurses need to posess. Congratulations! I hope you pass HESI.Quote from doodlebug914I just graduated with my BSN this spring. I'm working as a PCA2/Graduate Nurse at a local hospital until I take my boards... I am taking my HESI tomorrow at the college I graduated from. This is an 'exit' type of exam that we have to pass before taking our boards. I'm feeling down about not being able to pass and have this huge fear that I am not going to pass my boards!
Amidst my fear, I am questioning taking a role as an RN on floor nursing. It seems like most of the RN's on my floor have an associates degree, and I am questioning if I should be doing something different since I have my bachelor's? The pay is the same for an Assoc. or BSN, which doesn't make any sense to me. Just wondering what else is available that I might not be looking for, or what your opinions are!?
Another BSN student who just graduated as well was speaking with me, and said she wonders if the Assoc. degree RN's laugh thinking that we have wasted our time getting our BSN when we get the same pay/same responsibilities. Is this a big issue?