Venting about a new CNA...this is really, really long!

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We have a new CNA that just started working night shift and she is going to drive me crazy. In the first place, she has been there for a total of five days and she is an expert on every resident in the facility. She is constantly talking about how this one usually does this or that one usually does that or how she is surprised that Mary slept through the night because she is usually up several times during the night or that Bill went to bed really early since he is always up past midnight. If we try to tell her that Mary was only up all night the first night she worked because her stomach was upset or that Bill was really only awake past midnight because he took an extra nap during the day she just laughs (well, cackles like a witch) and tells us that she already knows the residents very well and she know their habits, so we need to stop trying to make her look stupid. Whatever...:)

Then she has decided that she is the BEST CNA on the face of the earth. She used to work in the dietary department at another LTC but they wouldn't hire her as a CNA. She told me that they wouldn't hire her because she knows that every nurse there takes a lot of shortcuts and doesn't do their job properly, so they couldn't hire her because she would show them up! The said the CNAs are mean and they treat every resident poorly and every other person in the dietary department is lazy and that the whole department will probably collapse now that she is gone. She is already complaining about other staff members here and talking about how she hates following a certain CNA because she knows she is going to find a mess and that the residents are going to be awake all night because they weren't put to bed properly. She did find four residents with soiled briefs after following this CNA the first night she worked, but we has an outbreak of stomach-type flu that day and over half of the residents were pooping and puking. The CNA she is complaining about is actually quite good at what she does...I would be honored to have her care for me!

After hearing and seeing all of this, I talked to her about professionalism and how she needs to be sure she statements she is making are accurate before openly criticizing other people and the job that they do. I also told her that she is out of line to complain about other professionals and say they are not doing their job, when she really has no idea what their job truly is. I told her that if she has that many concerns about the care given at her old facility, she needs to take it up with management at that facility instead of bringing it to ours. She just laughed and said I must have a lot of friends working there if I am so willing to defend them. Oh, boy...:)

After slamming every CNA in the facility and telling us how she is going to be the best thing that ever happened there she started in on the local police department. She is angry that they won't retrieve keys when people lock them in their cars, she doesn't understand why they don't have an emergency fund to pay for locksmiths for people who can't afford them, she doesn't know why they pulled her over for going 75 MPH on a 60 MPH highway...don't they care that she was late for work? The police are incompetent, they are only there to pick on honest people, they make too big of a deal out of noise complaints, they are all sleeping with one another, they spend too much time drinking coffee, and they don't do a good job of keeping the teenagers in line after school. When I told her that I am really good friends with most of our police officers and that I think they do a very good job and that they only pull you over, watch you, tell you to turn your music down, etc for a very good reason, she asked me how many of them I am sleeping with.

And she hates the housing authority and the people at the state because they don't distribute things like food stamps properly. She lives in a subsidized housing complex and is angry because there are ants in her apartment and there are wasps by her door. Right now there are wasps everywhere...you can't go outside anywhere without seeing them. She told us that she had two wasps on her door so she went to the office in the apartment complex to get some spray for them and they wouldn't give her any. They told her that they don't have any in the office and that she just needs to go inside and if any wasps get in, the needs to kill them with a fly swatter. Apparently, she is allergic to wasps, so she called 911 on her cell phone, told them she was going to be stung by wasps, and then went inside her apartment (I knew I had seen her somewhere before...I was the first paramedic there when we responded). She is also losing some of her food stamps because she went from a job that paid $5.15 an hour to a job that pays $8.50 an hour...according to her, they are cutting her from $450 a month to $400 a month and they will cut her even more if they find out that she gave custody of her first two children to their fathers! I'm tempted to call them.

The final straw for me, happened yesterday. I pretty much just rolled my eyes and blew off most of what she was doing until then. We have a resident that likes to stay up all night playing computer games. Since she is often awake until after 0300, she often skips breakfast and lunch and she is losing a lot of weight. I made a comment that I was going to ask the kitchen staff to leave her some snacks, so she could eat them while she is actually awake. She told me that she would be happy to talk to the dietary manger about it because they are very close friends. I told her, no, that I would take care of it. She told me about four more times that she could get it done much easier than I could because she has connections. I repeatedly told her that I was the charge nurse and that the request either needed to come from me, another nurse, or the DON. She just laughed. I talked to the cook that was on that day and that night, there were snacks left. This new CNA told me she had called the manager at home, so that she knew it would get done. I told her that I had already told her I would take care of it, that she was way out of line to call anyone at home, and that I did not appreciate her going around me, when I had already told her that it was my job not hers...I explained the chain of command and told her that if I hadn't taken care of it like I said I would, that she needed to talk to the DON about it instead of going over everyone's head and talking to the dietary manager. She told the CNA who was training her that I am jealous of her "can-do" attitude.

And finally, while she was making rounds on one hall, I made rounds on the other hall. When she came back to the desk, I told her that the other hall was done and that everyone was dry. She said, "Oh, they probably are." I said, "They are...I just changed them and yes, everyone is dry and repositioned." She told me that she would have to go and check since it is her responsibility. I told her that she was not to go and wake everyone up again and that she was not to check my work. So...while I was in the restroom, she went and woke everyone up and repositioned them to the side that I had just moved them from.

I am just about to strangle her...I have never worked with anyone who had gotten under my skin so much. I'm going to talk to the DON about it when she is in next week, but in the meantime, I am just going to grit my teeth and smile a lot.

Thanks for listening!

Specializes in geri, med/surg, neuro critical care.

And finally, while she was making rounds on one hall, I made rounds on the other hall. When she came back to the desk, I told her that the other hall was done and that everyone was dry. She said, "Oh, they probably are." I said, "They are...I just changed them and yes, everyone is dry and repositioned." She told me that she would have to go and check since it is her responsibility.

Sorry that you have to put up with this person...although she's acting like a nutjob, I do have to agree with her when she said it's her responsibility to see if everyone's dry and repo'd. Not intending to judge you or your work here...I'm not sure what your facility policy is, but the nurses weren't expected to do the typical CNA work at my old facility, and if someone was found to NOT be dry or repo'd, guess who took the heat? I guess I see that comment as her trying to cover her a**, but I can also see it resonating with the other 'I'm the best there is/I'm superior'-type comments.

Actually, she sounds like someone that I had the misfortune to work with for a short period of time...it takes all kinds :chuckle

hang in there...believe me, if enough people complain about her, she wont be there long... but make sure everything is documented or else it means nothing! and make sure other co workers are willing to document as well.

Specializes in FNP, Peds, Epilepsy, Mgt., Occ. Ed.
Well, a couple of things here.

1. Insubordination? She is doing things that you have directly informed her not to do, and are inappropriate.

2. Resident harm? She repositioned everyone back to the side that you just turned them from? That could cause major breakdown problems. Not to mention residents rights? Treating them with dignitiy? Why would they need to be turned when you just turned them? And why was she playing games with you through them??

~ear

:yeahthat:

I agree completely. She is not only annoying, she did a couple of things that you specifically told her not to do. That's insubordination.

Asking you who in the police department you were sleeping with? Yes, I think that could come under sexual harrassment.

No matter how badly your facility needs CNA's, this one needs to go ASAP. She is not teachable, IMHO, and will not change nor improve, in part because nothing that happens to her is ever her fault. She also has no problem with being dishonest, since she knows she's getting food stamps for children who don't live with her.

While she's still there, I'd watch her very carefully. I've seen people like this who would do things to "set up" another staff member in order to make themselves look good. Plus, if your boss is not receptive to getting rid of her, I'd generate lots of pieces of paper to document every little thing she does.

And keep copies for myself.

The last facility not only wouldn't hire her as a CNA, they probably had a party after she left! :D

Specializes in ICU, ER, HH, NICU, now FNP.

I can't stress this enough -

Document, Document, Document, Document, Document, Document

Write down every little thing. They can't fire her without documentation. The state can't do anything to eventually pull a CNA certificate without documentation.

Turn copies in to your supervisor, keep a copy for yourself - someplace where she can't get to it.

Specializes in Gerontology.

I worked with someone like that. She thought she knew the patients better than anyone. She even told one problem family that she was the only one who knew how to care for their loved one correctly! Unfortunately, management liked her because she could talk well and on the surface seemed very good - it was only after working with her for several shifts that you would realize this girl wasn't what she appeared! Another RN and I actually got repremanded because we tried to tell her that everyone worked hard, etc. We were accussed of "bullying" her. One of her "bright" ideas to make work better was she thought we should tie baggies over the trachs to collect secretions, instead of having to clean the pts when their secretions got too much!:uhoh21: Luckily, she only mentioned this,- never did it!

She's gone on to another hospital now, good for us, bad for them!

Specializes in Telemetry & Obs.
I do have to agree with her when she said it's her responsibility to see if everyone's dry and repo'd. Not intending to judge you or your work here...I'm not sure what your facility policy is, but the nurses weren't expected to do the typical CNA work at my old facility, and if someone was found to NOT be dry or repo'd, guess who took the heat?

But Cotjockey was the CHARGE nurse.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Ortho.

LOL,, so many things come to mind with this gal. Is she scheduled for shoulder surgery any time soon? She'll probly need it with all the back patting she is giving herself. It only took about 1 paragraph to know the REAL reason she isnt at the other facility. The partying probly lasted several weeks after she left!

Just cover your butt and when given enough rope she'll hang herself.

Specializes in geri, med/surg, neuro critical care.
But Cotjockey was the CHARGE nurse.

Yes; however, as we all know, a CNA still has a certain responsibility to check the elimination and repo status of his/her patients/residents. Although I don't agree with anything else this particular CNA said/did, I tend to be a little more lienient with this statement. To explain this using a different scenario, let's say another nurse, for one reason or another, said they gave your patient his/her noon meds...would you accept that statement without checking it, or would you go back and verify the charting, follow-up with the patient, etc.? Not meaning to argue here :argue: , but just trying to validate my point. :wink2:

Like I said before, if someone isn't changed/repo'd/whatever, and it is something within the CNA's scope of practice, the CNA will be the one to take the heat. It's one thing to go back and check to see if they were dry and repo'd; it's another to actually repo them back to where they were...in which I think the CNA should be written up for that.

Wait...just re-read your post...were you implying that since cotjockey was the Charge, she would take the heat if they were soiled/unrepo'd? I'm not sure how to interpret what you mean.

~Lori

Sounds like a narcissistic personality disorder or Nightingale Syndrome (I made that one up - LOL) or something. Be sure to document objectively. I know our facility requires quite a stack of paperwork to make 'employment changes'.

I can see the point about her taking the heat if someone isn't dry or repositioned, but usually, I made rounds with the CNA...sometimes I skip 0200 rounds because I am charting or something like that, but more often than not, I am right there with the CNA every two hours. She actually does give good care...she needs to quit gagging every time someone has a BM, but, she gives good care.

I took care of her a few times when I worked in the ER, so I know she has some issues...I don't want to squash her spirit or anything, but I'm pretty sure we are going to have to set some limits with her...either that or I am going to bite off her nose...:)

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.

Nightingale Syndrome lol

Nightingale Syndrome is real...I know it is!

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