Too many Negative remarks regarding Nursing School here!! Stop the discouragement!! - page 8

I can already imagine what responses I'll get....But anyway...I and im sure, alot of other people who are pursuing a degree in Nursing are tired of some of the remarks that are made on this site... Read More

  1. by   Jo Dirt
    Nursing school has caused divorce, financial ruin, depression.

    I don't think throwing a little reality peoples' way is over the top.
  2. by   caliotter3
    If I were refunded all of my tuition and other expenses associated with nursing school that I couldn't complete due to circumstances beyond my control, I would be existing comfortably: nice home, modest lifestyle, complete with health care and all those other niceties that older people want or need. And that's just the financial viewpoint. I wish anyone would have given me some wise counsel before I started on my neverending journey. But then, I wouldn't have listened.
  3. by   StephOScope
    Interesting. I loved school anyway, but in retrospect I think Nursing as a profession makes Nursing school look even more like a picnic.
  4. by   nurz2be
    Quote from RNsoon!
    I can already imagine what responses I'll get....But anyway...I and im sure, alot of other people who are pursuing a degree in Nursing are tired of some of the remarks that are made on this site regarding Nursing school! It's already stressful for many of us who are trying to get into a program and to hear such things like " when will this end," "15 people dropped out of my Nursing class last semester!!,"etc makes it even more stressful for us! Nursing school is not easy , but Im sure it's not "Hell." I have known many people who applied and got accepted into Nursing school with a 2.7.Uhmmmm, thats "pretty average Joe" to me and hey, they're pretty good Nurses now.
    Well, as you say, you don't know what "hell" is in nursing school. I actually find it funny for people who aren't in or haven't been to nursing school to comment on how hard or easy it is. Let me tell ya, when you have a care plan to do, study for a test that you HAVE to make a 90 on or you get booted from the program, read your 12 chapters for the night, do the 30-40 page nightly handouts (This happens daily at our school) and all the while REQUIRED to maintain a 3.5, maybe JUST maybe then you can talk about what "hell" it is. Someone saying hell is not a bad thing, it is actually meaning they are working hard and studying to become the best bleeping nurse they can become. If they need to come here and blow a few valves, let them. If you don't like that sort of thing maybe you should rethink even going to nursing school. If you can't handle negative posts, just wait until you are in a classroom of 20+ people the majority of which complain on a daily basis, instructors who are bitter about the administration at your school and vocalize it to all who listen, enter a clinical setting where you hear nurses, CNAs. even doctors day in and out voicing their complaints..All the while YOU maintain a smiley face..... I feel sorry for you....You may not be able to handle that kind of stress.
    Last edit by nurz2be on Aug 15, '07
  5. by   grv68
    Ive read this with interest. Logically I believe there is a need for balance, and self-control because we are in control of how we choose to react.

    Nursing school was not pleasant for me. It was not pleasant for my classmates. Was it hell or the hardest thing to do? No. I would think being a single mom with kids, scrambling to make ends meet with no support structure is accurately Hell. Ive had life experiences that far exceed nursing school as trauma.

    In my program which consisted of mature students and second career people. We were belittled, mocked, insulted, and at one point one student was practically physically assaulted by a screaming instructor in front of the class. Clinical instructors would comment out loud who they were going to get rid of. There was gender and racial issues. I had one instructor tell she did not believe males should be nurses. I smiled and didnt respond. This instructor most likely had mental issues.

    I wont go into details as to how but the class stood up. That instructor was removed, there was an investigation, lawyers consulted and in the end a Dean was asked to leave, contracts for clinical instructors were not renewed and there was restructuring of the department.

    Is this the norm? I would say No. There is clinical documentation in journals in history about mass psychosis. The best example I can give here is to look at a lobster tank. When it gets overcrowded and turbid and the environmental stressors increase the lobsters become cannibals. Go look in a tank sometime and you will find a lobster with one claw. I'm sure the lobsters know they are destined for the dinner plate. The rubber bands on their claws are not for your protection, it is to prevent the product from killing each other.

    I have two good friends who are nurse educators so I have heard the other side of the debate. Students who are not prepared, who are dangerous, and don't seem to care. I have also heard how the internal academic politics like the corporate crap in offices drove them to tears and banging their heads against the walls. They stay because they love to teach and that one great student that comes along once in a while makes a difference to them. They remain active on the floor nurses in addition to teaching because they are there for the patients. They know some of their peers are Harpies who have no life or outlet and who sharpen their claws daily.

    The nursing student environment does get toxic. Fall below a GPA and you are out. Think to transfer to another program to finish out, then think again. You start from scratch. I know because I left one school after one semester (nasty environment where I was one of three males) and went to another program and told I had to repeat first semester despite solid 'A' work in pre-reqs and Fundamentals. Why? "We emphasize cultural competency and each school has a different emphasis."

    Overall my class was supportive of each other. Maybe that was not the norm from what I read here. I saw the rage, the tears, the doubts, the frustration, the 'I don't dare talk and just go with the flow' among students.

    I'm not bitter. Would I do it again? No. It was a traumatic two years I wouldn't wish it on anybody; and frankly if I were in my early twenties I would have bailed and knowing my disposition then I would not have responded so nicely. I am in my late 30s. The drama and trauma is behind me. It remains to be seen what the job will bring. I will do my best.

    I read somewhere 34,000 students were turned away from nursing programs nationally last year because the schools were flooded with apps and short of nurse educators. I know of folks on waiting lists so I have mixed opinions on the "nursing shortage". I believe the American south, poor populated, and rural areas are hurting for nurses.

    I am convinced if the American public truly knew the working conditions and why nurses don't stay they would be on the front lawns of the state houses wondering why administrators, big insurance, and pharm companies are making obscene amounts and perks and we work hours that belong to the 19th century. It is (my opinion) OBSCENE that in a country of extraordinary wealth we have homeless and uninsured. Children and the elderly are our most vulnerable populations. The public knows we will all at one time or another be in a hospital bed. I digress.

    I am an RN now. Nobody will take that away from me. I know and choose NEVER to subject a student to the behavior. That said nurses show through behavior that they belong to a profession. It is a profession with a history stretching back to medieval times. No place, job or school is perfect but there should be reforms and standardization on programs so we dont have this ASN vs BSN debate and no 'horizontal violence' in the schools or workplaces. There is a lot work to be done in recruiting men into nursing. We should not act like caught crabs in a pail who pull down the one crab trying to climb out of the pail. We are not lobsters and we aren't crabs.

    In closing I have told others and I remind myself with the adversities in Life, "Living well is the best revenge." You can decide what that means to you.
  6. by   Athenas83
    uh oh
  7. by   SuesquatchRN
    I hated nursing school. Loved all of my coreqs, HATED my nursing classes, and mostly because of the teachers. I won't pretend otherwise.
  8. by   donsterRN
    Quote from motorcycle mama
    Nursing school has caused divorce, financial ruin, depression.

    I don't think throwing a little reality peoples' way is over the top.
    Perhaps the inability to handle the demands of nursing school has caused people to have personal and financial issues, but school itself is not responsible. Perhaps it's as easy as realizing that nursing school just isn't for everybody.
    Last edit by donsterRN on Sep 3, '07
  9. by   leslie :-D
    i too, heard my share of horror stories about nsg school.
    in this case, my defiance, stubborness and sheer determination paid off.
    i thrive on a good challenge.
    so i went through nsg school, hell bent on personal and professional success.
    looking back, i wouldn't have it any other way.
    it taught me some of the more desirable qualities of a nurse.
    i survived and thrived.
    thank you, horrible nsg school days.

    leslie
  10. by   Multicollinearity
    Quote from earle58
    i too, heard my share of horror stories about nsg school.
    in this case, my defiance, stubborness and sheer determination paid off.
    i thrive on a good challenge.
    so i went through nsg school, hell bent on personal and professional success.
    looking back, i wouldn't have it any other way.
    it taught me some of the more desirable qualities of a nurse.
    i survived and thrived.
    thank you, horrible nsg school days.

    leslie
    What an excellent attitude!
  11. by   beth66335
    People don't discourage us, we allow ourselves to be discouraged by them. I have worked in a hospital and when the nurses found out I wanted to go to school for RN they did their best to talk me out of it, but it is my passion and I told them," Sorry, but you will not talk me out of this!" It burns in me and even watching them go through bad days and having some myself as a CNA still has not changed my mind! I WILL NOT be swayed from my course!
  12. by   user9876
    Quote from RNsoon!
    Nursing school is not easy , but Im sure it's not "Hell." I have known many people who applied and got accepted into Nursing school with a 2.7.Uhmmmm, thats "pretty average Joe" to me and hey, they're pretty good Nurses now.
    honestly, you make a good point. if you read this forum too much and let it get into your brain, they'll all have you thinking this is brain surgery. i'm sorry but a lot of people get through much tougher programs for longer periods of time than it takes to get an associates degree without nearly as much b*tching and moaning as you hear from nursing students. sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's true. it's a difficult time in your life just like schooling for MANY professions is difficult, but you just do it and get through it. at the end of your life, looking back, it won't be the hardest thing you ever did. focus on positive things and just keep on chuggin'..
  13. by   treysdaddy08
    Quote from RNsoon!
    I can already imagine what responses I'll get....But anyway...I and im sure, alot of other people who are pursuing a degree in Nursing are tired of some of the remarks that are made on this site regarding Nursing school! It's already stressful for many of us who are trying to get into a program and to hear such things like " when will this end," "15 people dropped out of my Nursing class last semester!!,"etc makes it even more stressful for us! Nursing school is not easy , but Im sure it's not "Hell." I have known many people who applied and got accepted into Nursing school with a 2.7.Uhmmmm, thats "pretty average Joe" to me and hey, they're pretty good Nurses now.
    I'm sorry, but I have to somewhat agree with this post. I am starting the program in 3 weeks, and quite a few of the posts on here have me seriously second guessing myself after 2 years of pre- and coreq's. I would like to see a bit less "The job sucks, the pay sucks, and 1/2 the program failed" and a bit more "I'm so glad I did this, this was the best decision of my life"

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