this is for all nurses not just Pittsburgh area nurses!!!!!! - page 3

So Nursing Assistants aren't considered "Nurses". If that's the case, then what are we considered? Certified ass wipers? I am a C.N.A. and am considered a "Nurse". We don't get the Respect we... Read More

  1. by   arbley
    sWolfie, Please, you are not a nurse. I worked as a CNA for a few years and now I work in an ICU that employs only RN's. I am a well-qualified, competent ass-wiper. I also have more letters after my name than you do. That does not make me a better person, just one with more formal education. I have learned alot from CNA's, NA's, etc., over the years. Your contributions to patient care are invaluable. Thank you.

    In the state I live in, it is illegal for anyone not licensed as an RN or LPN to call themselves a nurse. People who do this have legal action taken against them by the State.
  2. by   chili2641
    Boy, I am glad that I had the good sense to study something other than nursing. Realize too PROFFESIONAL NURSES that cnas do go to college. Unless you ask them you have no idea about someones educational background. I am not an RN because I did not choose to study nursing. I am also tired of hearing that all cnas want to be nurses. I can tell you I never day dreamed about doing your job.
  3. by   nurs4kids
    Chili, you have some DEEEEEEEEEP interest in nursing, you're here all the time. No one ever said CNA's can't/don't go to college.

    Like it or not, CNA's are NOT nurses and any implication of such is purely a lie. If you want to be called a nurse, then dammit go to school and EARN the right to call yourself a nurse like the rest of us.

    I love our CNA's and by no means do I think I am "above" them as a human. But the workplace is a different story. I am responsible for the patient, I am the one with the education and training, I am the one who will be sued, I am the one who will be blamed, and as this post suggest I am the one the media will point the finger toward. So, in the workplace? damn straight..I AM above a CNA.

    I was a clerk while in nursing school. I took orders off, I ordered supplies, I answered phones/call lights, I ASSISTED nurses at the bedside...all that time wasted in nursing school..<sigh>from the above standards, I could have called myself a nurse back then. I think I'll just start calling myself a doctor. After all, I do a PORTION of what they're trained to do.
  4. by   mlvogt
    sometimes it kills me to go into topics like this. why do we do this to each other we should work together and not against each other we should see the value of na's and rn's and understand why they are both important parts of healthcare. yes im sure rn's could do the job without na's but dont they make you life easier? I know my opinion dosent count because I am a cna but I am going to nursing school and I hope I never look down at a cna who has the potential to be great .
  5. by   chili2641
    This B/B is good therapy for me. I have been a NA for eight years and I am still very young. I am at a transitional point in my life right now. I have an interst in nursing because I am a cna and it is my job. No it is not my career but I still have to put up with the same attitudes because I work there too.
  6. by   CEN35
    Everybody has contributed chaos to this thread? It started out as one subject, and has turned into a bashing thread as so many others have on the BB.

    The only comment I have is this; This thread clearly show why nursing is in dissarray without one common organization/goal.
    The motto for the nursing as a profession might as well be "It's all about me", or how about "Whos' the best", or even better "We are professionals, even though we act like we are three".

    I'm done with this thread.....later.....out
  7. by   fiestynurse
    This post is an example of why it is so important for the person who posts the topic to monitor and respond periodically to keep people on track.
  8. by   fiestynurse
    This post is a good example of why it is so important for the person who posts the topic to monitor and respond periodically to keep people on track. In addition, the topic heading was vague. When you post a topic, you need to be very specific on where you want it to go, otherwise you obviously have chaos!
  9. by   RNPD
    I think I understand the original poster's intent. The networks promoted the story by using the term "nurse"-a term that is legally protected to include only those licensed professionals that have an LPN/LVN or RN. It turned out that the alleged perp was neither, but was a "personal care aide". It is not as dramatic to say that a patient's aide molested him. A nurse is a licensed professional, who by virtue of that license, is expected to be a person of good character and education. While a "personal care aide" may be just as educated and honorable as anyone else, the word "aide" does not carry the same sense of professionalism and therefore is not as dramatic in a headline as a ratings grabber. Please note I am not saying that an RN/LPN or any other professioanl is incapable of a heinous crime, only that with education, background checks, and licenses that are regularly renewed it is much harder to fall between the cracks and therefore much less common for a licensed professional to be accused of a crime-especially one involving the very people that they worked so hard to be licensed to care for. So it is therefore a much greater attention getter when you hear that a nurse (or doctor, or lawyer, or any licensed professional) took advantage of a client. The network used the term "nurse" illegally (the perp wasn't a nurse) and sensationally (it surely got everyone's attention).

    As for the idea that nurses don't understand the work of CNAs or respect that work, it is nonsense. I have met probably hundreds of nurses during my years of practice and I would say 90% of them either started out as a CNA or worked as a CNA for some time during their educational & licensure process. But we were not then nurses. We were ASSISTANTS to nurses. It does not make you a nurse until you are educated and licensed as the same. You may have a PhD in an unrelated field, but if you work as a nursing assistant, you are a nursing ASSISTANT, and will never be a nurse no matter how bright you are or how hard you study, or how ever many degrees you get unless you take the prescribed courses for nurses and pass the licensure exam. Only then can you legally call yourself a nurse.

    [ May 25, 2001: Message edited by: RNPD ]

    [ May 26, 2001: Message edited by: RNPD ]
  10. by   night owl
    This is really something! I can't believe what I'm reading ! How can some of you sit there and type such harsh comments about your fellow health care providers? Aren't we all in this profession to care for the sick, injured, newborn, elderly or mentally handicapped person TOGETHER as a nursing team, one member relying on another for the betterment of the pt? Granted one may have more education than someone else,(although reading a couple of posts from a few people who are SUPPOSED to have an education certainly could have fooled me!)but we are supposed to be working together no matter what initials we have behind our names. The CNA assists the nurse whether it be LPN OR RN who inturn works with the physician(s). We are supposed to be helping each other. No wonder the nursing profession is in such disorder when we can't even get along on a disscussion board. Some need to get some sense: NAs are just that- Nursing Assistants, some need to act like they HAVE an education: RNs are REGISTERED "nurses", and LPNs are LICENSED PRACTICAL "nurses" and yes, we all need each other in every way. How are things ever going to get any better for us acting like this? It doesn't suprise me, but it does bother me enormously...
  11. by   oramar
    RNPD, if you go read my earlier post you will see that I said the same thing as you though not as well. I have heard a recent up date on this crime and it does not sound as if there are any licensed personel at this facility what so ever. Matter of fact no one so much as even mentioned that any of the personal care assistants are certified. I bet they are not, in Pennsylvania attendants in personal care homes are not required to be either certifed or supervised by a licensed person. Staceracer1 was absolutly justifed in taking the network to task for calling anyone who worked in that building a nurse. Indeed, there has been much follow up reporting on this case and they are very careful to correctly identify the accused perpatrator as a personal assistant.

    [ May 25, 2001: Message edited by: oramar ]
  12. by   nurs4kids
    Nightowl...what did anyone type that was any harsher than what you just typed? I think the point is that as nurses are fighting to be respected as professionals, the last thing we need is non-nurses posing as nurses.
  13. by   night owl
    I think it is safe to say that we all agree that the last thing we need is for non-nurses posing as nurses. What I don't agree with is a professional stating, "I don't think LPNs are nurses-hell,what do we need them for? The only real nurses are RN's" Now for a professional with an education to make such a harsh statement as that only makes me wonder...How can we fight for respect as professionals when the professionals won't even give respect to their own kind??? Makes NO SENSE to me. Now I'm really going to tighten the screw... Forget it, I'm too professional for that kind of disrespect...SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BITE YOUR TONGUE AND TURN YOUR CHEEK THE OTHER WAY .......................

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