Story on Oprah: Cradle Rape - page 3

I watched Oprah today and I've never felt more disgusted or ill in my life, hearing about babies that are being raped in South Africa by grown, AIDS infested 'men' who have been told that if they... Read More

  1. by   Loribabble
    I did not see this show, but have worked in Zimbabwe as a nurse - it is beginning to be a common practice there and it is disgusting. There is education about it - lots of it, but you are fighting thousands of years of culture. The witch doctors - "traditional healers" are who spew these lies and the African have been taught to listen to them above all else. Many think that they got AIDS from being "witched" - not because of something they did or caught.

    These "traditional healers" are not held responsible for their teachings - it just saddens me to no end.
  2. by   DG5
    I have lived 28 years of my 40 something life in South Africa. I trained there as a nurse. I had five children out there. The african culture is very different from anything we know in North America. There are thirteen official languages, there are many different tribes that have slowly moved into South Africa from the North. There are huge numbers of illegal immigrants. The black people will consult their withdoctors before they ever think of going to a clinic for help. This is steeped in their way of thinking for hundreds of years as another post has stated. This is the thing. You are dealing with a mindset and culture which is steeped in witchcraft. And yes, the religious leaders are doing much to try to turn this around. Huge churches of thousands strong set up aids clinics as part of their outreach. There are thousands of young people going out to South Africa very soon from churches in America to help in these clinics and help with the aids situation. These missions are going on all the time in the churches here. If you're wanting to do something, get involved in a church that is mission conscious and you will see there is opportunity to make a difference.
  3. by   BBFRN
    Regardless of whether these men feel "desperate" to be "healed" or not- they are willing to rape and torture babies to "save" themselves. That is so wrong on a core level of humanity, I don't see how it could be explained or justified. Even if they truly believe that they will be healed by doing this, how many human beings would be willing to do that to save themselves?
  4. by   Energizer Bunny
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT? "AIDS A GOOD THING"??? Umm what kind of sick psycho is this person? He has no business teaching anything. I bet his tune would change if someone near and dear to HIM were afflicted w/HIV or AIDS! I can hardly believe my eyes..."population control"????? As if famine, starvation, natural disasters, war and other diseases dont' do a good enough job of that!!!! SICK SICK SICK ---I am off to take a hot bath, I am real keyed up after reading this post. :angryfire :angryfire
    Yep, Deb, he's a sicko in many ways and not only do I have to sit through him this summer session but one next summer as well. (he's the only option) His thought process is that if I had AIDS he would feel really sorry for me and when I died, he would mourn and all that but that by and large it is a good thing because 3 of the last 7 years, we have eaten more than we have been able to produce. He also has heart problems and won't have heart surgery because he thinks that his time is his time. He also doesn't believe in organ donation again because of overpopulation. He fries me every Mon/Wed.

    I can't wait to see what logical thought process he'll have on this topic.
  5. by   Loribabble
    Quote from lgflamini
    Regardless of whether these men feel "desperate" to be "healed" or not- they are willing to rape and torture babies to "save" themselves. That is so wrong on a core level of humanity, I don't see how it could be explained or justified. Even if they truly believe that they will be healed by doing this, how many human beings would be willing to do that to save themselves?

    I totally agree with you that this is horrific, and I personally can't comprehend how someone would think that way....

    But.... to many Africans - life is cheap. It is not valued. Many women don't get pre-natal care or tell anyone that they are pregnant because "something" might happen. Babies aren't named until they are a couple of weeks old because they might not live. Many women know they have AIDS and have been counseled with their husbands against getting pregnant and yet they repeatedly have babies that are destined to die a horrific death. Villages go and kill another whole village just because they are part of a different tribe and don't even think twice about it. Governemnts would rather have people die a slow and agonizing death from starvation so that there are less people in the country - a president stated this in a public address.

    I know these aren't exactly on the same level as raping infants - but to many life is CHEAP!!!!

    I absolutely love Africa - it is my home now. There are many wonderful sides to these people and their culture..... but there is a reason it is called the dark continent.
  6. by   BBFRN
    Quote from Loribabble
    I totally agree with you that this is horrific, and I personally can't comprehend how someone would think that way....

    But.... to many Africans - life is cheap. It is not valued. Many women don't get pre-natal care or tell anyone that they are pregnant because "something" might happen. Babies aren't named until they are a couple of weeks old because they might not live. Many women know they have AIDS and have been counseled with their husbands against getting pregnant and yet they repeatedly have babies that are destined to die a horrific death. Villages go and kill another whole village just because they are part of a different tribe and don't even think twice about it. Governemnts would rather have people die a slow and agonizing death from starvation so that there are less people in the country - a president stated this in a public address.

    I know these aren't exactly on the same level as raping infants - but to many life is CHEAP!!!!
    It seems that life is only cheap for women, girls, and infants. If life is also cheap for the male population there, then why are they willing to commit these acts to "save" themselves?
  7. by   allthingsbright
    i am just horrified at the depravity of man! how low can mankind sink. this just makes me sick.

    its hard for me, as a christian, to see how sin causes such perversness in people-and to hear about the graphic details is just...beyond belief. its hard for my mind to grasp this!! god must just shake his head and cry for the innocent. god help us!

    as a mother, i have that angry lion thing where i'd like to cut some balls off right now.

    amy
  8. by   Spidey's mom
    The clinic my son participated in a couple of days ago had an incident with a child of 2 or 3 who was taken to the witchdoctor due to pain and inability to stand or walk. I don't know all the details but a red thread was tied around her wrist. The nurses did talk the mom into cutting the thread and coming to the clinic but what can you do in an afternoon? We need medical teams with physicians heading into the jungle.

    This is one case where a dose of Christianity would do wonders - not that I'm all for taking away folks culture. But these witchdoctors are doing great harm.

    I can't wait for my son to get back from Africa . . so much to talk about.

    I have a feeling Africa will always be close to his heart too.

    steph
  9. by   mother/babyRN
    In that country, unfortunately, it is common for females of any age to be savagely raped and the men not punished. But, as for the babies, I can't even express the horror I feel about that...Although, I did read an article some time ago, that often, the fathers of these children are either dead or not around, and the mothers are either dead, terrified , or raped as well......
  10. by   Truly_Blessed
    Yes, there are so many children over there not being cared for...orphans because of AIDS.
  11. by   finness
    "but.... to many africans - life is cheap. it is not valued."

    certainly these are illicit, brutal attacks perpetrated out of sociopathic ignorance, but i am dumbfounded by the audacity of someone to say that life is cheap and not valued by most africans? in reality, the life of africans is cheap and not valued to westernized countries who watch a viral genocide sweep across an entire continent without batting an eye. at the start of colonization, african men, women, and children have been victimized by profiteering politicians with no respect for native culture and even less regard for humanity. most africans have endured through arduous wars, wavering and self-serving governments, and absolute poverty--only to be met 50 years later with the ebola virus and hiv. (by the way, the african government first recognized an "epidemic" in 1977 when brittan sent african troops into the middle east to fight against political leaders previously known as us allies.) african life must then be cheap to western countries which raped africa's resources making its people fiscal slaves, but held on to the purse strings when it came to saving africans from an impending catastrophe late in the 1980's. african life was certainly not valued well into the 1990's, when, realizing the profound and devastating impact of aids on sub-saharan africa, we continually voted down funding that would promote life saving educational information in remote regions where ignorance about modern medicine was as rampant as disease. now, only 15 years after the original legislator was purposed, can we all be appalled about the horrific abuse of children. certainly nobody would argue that these children were violated and abused in the most repulsive of ways. i will, however, argue that life is cheap to most africans, who have been struggling to attain the erudition where modern science and education bridge the gap between ignorance and poverty.

    oh, and by the way, africa is called the dark continent because of years and years of injustice and discrimination. it is actually an old-testament biblical reference that comes from a story about the son of ham.
    :angryfire
    Last edit by finness on Jul 16, '04
  12. by   ZinnianWolf
    I heard this story from one of my classmates. I think it is sickening and sad. I think that there is still a lot of work to be done with educating people about HIV/AIDS. It is too bad that the funding needed for mass education and other things that will prevent or lessen the epidemic is not available. As far as what I would do or say to those who commit such crimes against humanity and who violate the rights of someone who can't speak for themselves, I can't say because it would fall under the non professional, "done lost my mind", "oh no the h*ll they didn't", and "you better watch yo' back" catagories. So, back to being "sane" and professional, they should have some law to prosecute people who do things like that.
  13. by   fergus51
    I would have to say life is not valued by a lot of people. It isn't an African quality.

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