So she go after the sabotaging nurses's license or job?

Miss Ludie · Dec 18, 2005

I would also suggest strongly that the details of this incident are getting a little too close to violating the Hipaa privacy law boundaries.

So far we know a 35 year old RN who graduated in Dec. 2004......had certain experiences in a certain facility with a certain preceptor. It won't be long before someone says ah ha!

Roland you must love your wife so give her some space. You cannot sue a facility because your wife did not notice a chest tube had been put to waterseal. I imagine the order was there and she did not see it. On a CVCC unit chest tubes are life and death some times.

She's learning and it's been a hard year for her. It takes a long time to make a good critical care nurse. She needs to be in control of her life and not getting second had critiques from you no matter how well intended.

Hawaii may have to wait. Having long range plans are good, but they always need to be open to change. I see you were looking at a radiology technology program. That may just fit in with whatever modification to the long range may come. What have you found out? Believe me 35 looks like a late start. I didn't get started til 30. There are nurses here who are in their 40s and 50s who are new career nurses.

Roland think about your family first and your financial aims second. You may find out that money isn't everything.

Ludie

firstaiddave907 · Dec 18, 2005

she should get a realy good laywer and i agree with lpn 1974 your wife gets termanted and this persion gets off scott free for disconting a chest tube from suchton the persion could of died and then it would be murder. i think the precptor should have action taken agansit them because they should be looking out for stuff like that to proect the students. i think it sounds like a good legal battle. hope to here about it on abc or 60 minutes. i feel sorry for your wife because she didnt do anything worgne. what part of the hosptial does she work at is that in some parts of the hosptial like the icu and the ccu have cameras to look after the pactiens and i would think taht a alarm would go off stateing that something is wronge like a tube disconnted i wish the best for your wife.

nurse4theplanet, RN · Dec 18, 2005

Upon reviewing the OP's profile and previous threads as well as his "wife", I find it unsettling to discover that although he is the nursing student, and she is the registered nurse......he has been a member much longer. The majority of his posts focus on her career, and many legal/ethical issues surrounding it. Many times he has probed for information from other posters about various other legal/ethical issues. He has also has stated that he is hoping to one day write a book about nurses who keep and lose their licenses. Many of the threads he has started have been closed for these reasons. His 'wife' has only one thread. I feel very suspicious about the OPs intentions in using the allnurses forum. I feel we are perhaps being scammed right underneath our noses. I find the OPs content to be inconsistent with most typical nursing students posts. I caution you all in responding.

TweetiePieRN · Dec 18, 2005

Upon reviewing the OP's profile and previous threads as well as his "wife", I find it unsettling to discover that although he is the nursing student, and she is the registered nurse......he has been a member much longer. The majority of his posts focus on her career, and many legal/ethical issues surrounding it. Many times he has probed for information on other posters about various other legal/ethical issues. He has also has stated that he is hoping to one day write a book about nurses who keep and lose their licenses. Many of the threads he has started have been closed for these reasons. His 'wife' has only one thread. I feel very suspicious about the OPs intentions in using the allnurses forum. I feel we are perhaps being scammed right underneath our noses. I find the OPs content to be inconsistent with most typical nursing students posts. I caution you all in responding.

I have been a member of allnurses for almost 2 yrs (reading it for 3 yrs) I have always felt this way!!!! I could not have said it better! His postings are always long and drawn out and very overly dramatic. Thanks for noticing and taking the words out of my mouth! -TweetiepieRN

Roland · Dec 18, 2005

I had one post where I referenced writing a book about why nurses lose their license. I did that even BEFORE my wife experienced her present situation precisely because I believed then that many, many nurses and nursing students are punished for capricious, bogus reasons that have little to do with their clinical conduct. . However, I realize that is not an acceptable explanation, and that more complex socio/psychological dynamics must be at play to explain what otherwise seems unexplanable. I would still like to get a handle on why it is that some nurses lose their licenses or get fired for mistakes that are no greater (or even smaller) than other nurses who don't even get written up. Part of me feels like that if I could study hundreds, or even thousands of such cases (by pouring over State Board of nursing records, talking to witnesses ect) that maybe I could eventually elucidate some kind of pattern, or tendencies which makes this happen to some people and not others. Someone above just suggested that my wife was actually more to blaim for not noticing that suction was turned off than the nurse who intentionally did the act! I honestly cannot understand how anyone could sincerely have that reaction. I will be completely honest my first reaction upon learning how my wife was treated and all of the cirucumstances involved was to want to drive to her hospital and to cause grave physical damage to the primary people involved. However, that would obviously solve nothing and in fact make things much worse. Instead, I sought to bring some sort of meaning, and clarity on what had occured with the hopes that such discussion might help me to better deal with our circumstances.

During my tenure at Allnurses I have explored issues ranging from "twenty four hour childcare for nurses" to "what would you change if you could build a hospital from the ground up for nurses" God only knows how much I love this place. In nursing school I was practically known as "Mr. Allnurses" because I brought this site up to allmost all of my fellow classmates and instructors. To me this site was allmost like a religion or philisophical ideology because of the worth that I believed it to hold. I would even go so far as to post threads on subjects discussed in class and then send emails with the links to some of my instructors. I even would point out the threads where I was critical of the university (such as posts where I complained about our having to be totally nude in assessment class and palpate for inguinal lymph nodes on our partners). In the last five years I have mentioned this website to literally hundreds of people because of my sincere, and profound belief that it has the power to transform nursing for the betterment of nurses and nursing because knowledge is power and no where will you find more knowledge about nursing than here. Nurses are often in my opinion subject to the whim of powerful forces like Dr's, hospital's, HMO's ect. and it is my belief that a site such as Allnurses has almost in and of itself the power to greatly diminish such disparities in power and that this will be a good thing not only for nurses, but also for the patients whom they serve. Frankly, I am proud of my contributions here, and I doubt that few have covered greater thematic ground than have I. At no point have I ever knowingly spoken untruthfully. Indeed, when I have gone so far as to give more precise details (because of the criticism that I can't possibly be sincere) I am then criticised for being too specific!

For the past five years (ever since we decided to go back to school to become nurses) nursing has been my passion. I made it my goal to become absolutely as knowledgable as possible on the subject, and to bring my "manic tendencies" into useful focus. If I sound dramatic its because for me these are very importent issues that have consumed a high percentage of my waking hours.

I am perplexed as to why I seem to be the only person around here where it seems to be okay to break the TOS of Allnurses and attack my integrity, or sincerity personally? And don't say that it's because I always discuss my wife a while back I started a thread titled something like "what are the easiest nursing errors to make that could seriously harm someone". It produced a good deal of useful information and many, many replies, but it wasn't long until people were posting "why is he asking that he's not even a nurse" . I don't know maybe because I was a terrified nursing student who had heard many horror stories about mistakes hurting patients, and I was doing my best to make sure I didn't make such an error (and also because I am a big believer that "processes" rather than persons often drive errors, in theory this is at the root of evidence based practice analysis). The point is no matter what issue I raise I seem to draw those sorts of attacks. When my wife actually comes on to give her own version of events and to update her other post on the subject at https://allnurses.com/forums/f8/icu-should-i-stay-go-132141-2.html and it seems like if anything the attacks simply increased!

Frankly, I often seem to see the same attitude here as I believe exists on her unit which generated the impetus for the thread being created in the first place. Why can't you just respond (or not) to the question at hand? In my entire life I've never questioned the motives of someone who asked me a question instead I either answered the question or didn't (IMHO even if the events didn't occur as stated which they DID, it would still be a valid learning scenario that might prove either useful to epanding general knowledge about the subject or to helping educate nurses on how they should handle similiar situations if they ever encountered them). Part of me wants to give you our names, phone numbers, where we work ect. just to prove that this occurred as stated. Indeed, I have considered printing this entire thread off (and the one Oahu RN started seperately) and hand delivering it to not only my wife's unit manager, but also to senior management at the hospital. Of course in the end I won't because doing so would mean the end of my marriage in all probability. The bottom line is that talking and discussion are always better than violence, however when someone comes in with a sincere problem that is really driving them to the edge and seeks assistance here, and you dismiss them (not that all of you have in fact the majority have not) you may be pushing them towards the negative end of that spectrum. I wonder if Robert Alvarez didn't experience something like that at the University of Arizona before he went over the edge and used violence in an attempt to solve his problems. I wonder if he had come here and attempted to "discuss his problem instead" if he might not have been met with the same sort of "black hole of skepticism and indifference" that I felt these past few days. The next time that you react to someone like that you may very well contribute to the circumstances that produces a headline in a paper somewhere.

CaroleladyBell, I know that we have had our differences, but I would like to thank you and Susanne who offered some good insights in my wife's thread (same thing) for your sincere replies it really means alot. You didn't agree with me in fact you took me (or more accurately my position) to task for reasons that you felt were justified, but you did respond with sincerity and even more importantly you were responsive to the issues asked in the OP. That may not seem like much, but it makes all the difference in the world.

Upon reviewing the OP's profile and previous threads as well as his "wife", I find it unsettling to discover that although he is the nursing student, and she is the registered nurse......he has been a member much longer. The majority of his posts focus on her career, and many legal/ethical issues surrounding it. Many times he has probed for information on other posters about various other legal/ethical issues. He has also has stated that he is hoping to one day write a book about nurses who keep and lose their licenses. Many of the threads he has started have been closed for these reasons. His 'wife' has only one thread. I feel very suspicious about the OPs intentions in using the allnurses forum. I feel we are perhaps being scammed right underneath our noses. I find the OPs content to be inconsistent with most typical nursing students posts. I caution you all in responding.

I have been a member of allnurses for almost 2 yrs (reading it for 3 yrs) I have always felt this way!!!! I could not have said it better! His postings are always long and drawn out and very overly dramatic. Thanks for noticing and taking the words out of my mouth! -TweetiepieRN

Aneroo, LPN · Dec 18, 2005

Upon reviewing the OP's profile and previous threads as well as his "wife", I find it unsettling to discover that although he is the nursing student, and she is the registered nurse......he has been a member much longer. The majority of his posts focus on her career, and many legal/ethical issues surrounding it. Many times he has probed for information from other posters about various other legal/ethical issues. He has also has stated that he is hoping to one day write a book about nurses who keep and lose their licenses. Many of the threads he has started have been closed for these reasons. His 'wife' has only one thread. I feel very suspicious about the OPs intentions in using the allnurses forum. I feel we are perhaps being scammed right underneath our noses. I find the OPs content to be inconsistent with most typical nursing students posts. I caution you all in responding.

Haven't been following on the story, but I believe this thread needs to be closed. It's beginning to become an attack.

Roland · Dec 18, 2005

The problem with that is about 50% of the posts that I place have the same sort of "attacks on my personal sincerity or integrity" The net effect of closing all such posts is to place a "de facto" ban on my ability to post. Why cannot those who commit such "attacks" simply be told to stick to the issue at hand (whatever that may be) or to not reply?

Roland · Dec 18, 2005

That is a very good queston because they have the so called "eICU". I can only surmise that chest tube vacuum integrity is not a parameter that is closely monitored by the folks "in the sky".

she should get a realy good laywer and i agree with lpn 1974 your wife gets termanted and this persion gets off scott free for disconting a chest tube from suchton the persion could of died and then it would be murder. i think the precptor should have action taken agansit them because they should be looking out for stuff like that to proect the students. i think it sounds like a good legal battle. hope to here about it on abc or 60 minutes. i feel sorry for your wife because she didnt do anything worgne. what part of the hosptial does she work at is that in some parts of the hosptial like the icu and the ccu have cameras to look after the pactiens and i would think taht a alarm would go off stateing that something is wronge like a tube disconnted i wish the best for your wife.

Nurse Ratched, RN · Dec 18, 2005

This thread needs to be closed for a moderator discussion.

P_RN, ADN, RN · Dec 18, 2005

I wonder if Robert Alvarez didn't experience something like that at the University of Arizona before he went over the edge and used violence in an attempt to solve his problems. I wonder if he had come here and attempted to "discuss his problem instead" if he might not have been met with the same sort of "black hole of skepticism and indifference" that I felt these past few days. The next time that you react to someone like that you may very well contribute to the circumstances that produces a headline in a paper somewhere.

Roland this is quite distressing to us here at allnurses.com.

Please consider what you write here. If there is a problem do NOT address it in the forums, but use the red triangle to report it.

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