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- Feb 17 by PMFB-RNBut People would choose the doctorate PA over medical school because Med School is still Med School and takes a over a decade of committment and sacrifices.
"I am not an NP. I am a full time rapid response nurse at a teaching hospital. This morning I stopped in to residents office to update the night residents on what had happened with their patients and what I had done. They were in the middel of sign out to the day team including several interns, residents, the chief resident and the attending. After I was done an intern speaks up and says "PMFB you should become a PA!". This was met with a rousing round of "NOooos" & "no way!" from the residents and attending. The intern looked confused. The chief resident leans over to her and says "PAs are at the bottom of the medical word. PMFB should become and NP, they are at the top of the nursing world".
The attending and other residents all readily agreed. I thought it was an interesting insight into physician thoughts about mid levels. "
Many of you may completely disagree with me on this but I honestly believe its a lot harder to become a PA than an NP.
I know plenty of RT's who only want to be RN's so they can be CRNA's.
And Lastly, is there a need? You dont think there is? I STRONGLY Disagree. I think there is a strong shortage on the horizion looming for PULMONOLOGISTS among many other physician types and actually could be one of the most heavily affected specialties. A Mid Level Provider could help bridge the gap and who'd be better to bridge that gap then Respiratory Care?Last edit by PMFB-RN on Feb 17
- Feb 17 by PMFB-RN.but its my opinion that I personally believe that some changes and advancements will happen in the future to both Nursing and Respiratory Care
To respond to another part of your post:
*** In what way has degree inflation "advanced" those professions? What can the doctoraly prepared PTs do that the master prepared could not do? How much more are doctorate prepared PTs paid vs masters prepared PTs? Please explain how those professions who have required a doctorate have advanced."
BTW I think Nurses are paid ok for going through a two year community college program as well! At my former facility where I worked before PA School, I started out at 21.50/hr and the ceiling was 32.00 to my knowledge.....Nurses started out at 3-4 dollars more and had a higher ceiling at around 40. So i'd say they're both pretty well paid.....And I was always amazed at how much money those Radiation Therapists made
In fact when there have been times when there was no RT available for a shift (usually have 3 on nights) they float an ICU nurse to cover RT. I don't often have my own ICU patients anymore but when I do I run my own vents and the RT does the once a shift vent checks and serves as a vent consultant in the unlikely event I need one. Other than that they leave my patients alone.
However for RT's it all depends on your location and facility. I DO NOT know this as a fact but I have heard that anywhere that is located in the Northeast, Pacific Northwest, and Northern Midwest tend to pay better and gain more respect than RT's in the south.
- Feb 17 by SycamoreGuyJust what the public needs, another credential in the alphabet soup of health care providers. Heck, even dental hygienist are trying to get there own mid-level (I hate that term). NPs make sense, PAs make sense (although I think it would make more sense to significantly shorten MD/DO residencies for non specialists) advanced practice RTs and dental hygienists don't make sense. But who knows maybe I will live long enough to see the day when we have advanced practice physical therapy assistants that have the same degree as the original PTs.
- Feb 18 by ktlizIt's funny to me that while professions such as nursing are pushing for academic inflation, the medical profession is experimenting with SHORTENING its academic training, from 4 years to 3.
- Feb 18 by RNperdiemSometimes I wonder if the academic inflation and student loans(the two are co-dependent) is like the housing bubble a few years ago. Everyone thought housing was an investment that couldn't go wrong.
- Feb 18 by SycamoreGuyThere is a push in some states to offer $10,000 bachelor degrees (non nursing degrees) Some of the suggestion to make these degrees feasible include shortening it to 6 semesters and doing the first 2-4 semesters at a community college.
- Feb 18 by netglowI agree with PMFB-RN, as well as Ktliz - many MDs think the length of MD edu is a joke, they feel that the first two years especially, could be totally dropped as a waste of time and money.
I have two degrees. Lets get serious. Higher education in many aspects has been one of the biggest scams around. Time to end it. When you are just a kid going to college for your first time, you tend to not question. But when you become a working adult, things should become clear to you, unless you are someone who just can't get it together at all, you should have realized you've been taken.
Heck, I felt that I had no need for my actual nursing classes. I wanted to eliminate the actual nursing class time. I am better on my own. I felt I could be on my own totally for the coursework, then, come in for evaluation/testing. I also ended up buying non nursing books to enhance my study. I ended up often only using those - excepting the NANDA crap, which I needed a nursing book for in order to pass testing (easy to eliminate nursing diagnosis from coursework - should be the first thing eliminated). Critical to me would be taking all class time away - but use that time to more than double clinical site time. The college should focus on having the best clinical teaching staff possible. Fearless awesome instructors only need apply. Any lab time can also be eliminated. I set up my own practice lab at home easily. Once I did that, I never went to the college lab except for eval. Many video's exist online of skills, and those were all I needed.
I'm one for just laying the truth out there for everybody to be forced to acknowledge and deal with. Most of what's present now needs to be eliminated. The entire system for Nursing and Medicine needs to be torn apart and reconstructed.
- Feb 18 by netglowAbout the "MD shortage" I've been telling MDs I know online that they are going down the same road as nursing, as far as a fake "shortage" goes. They all bluster how they'll all just quit and show the world that with all the bad that has come from stellar mistakes they've made (joining the hospital networks and becoming employees, is the biggest one), this will be the cause of the shortage. LOL. I tell them that their employers are spending millions in think tank money trying to figure out a way they can get rid of MDs. That is more like what the problem is. It's either drastically reduce MD salary and/or eliminate every "power" they had now that they are employees of the network. This is happening and now, they see it in practice and see the comparisons to what has happened to nursing and yeah, they are scared. Think of that. There isn't much else that an MD qualifies for as far as employment goes, except try to scam their own... and that is another subject.
- Feb 18 by SycamoreGuyI had a foreign MD that couldn't find a residency (had been looking for 2 years) teach my physiology class, talk about scary!
- Feb 18 by PMFB-RNQuote from netglow*** The length of MD education acomplishes it's goal. That is to limit both the number of people who are willing to do it, and the type of people who can become physicians. They only want certain kinds of people to be MDs and one of the way they weed out the unwanted is the length and expence of education. Nursing is trying hard to do the same. Clearly the house wife in her 30's or the laid off factory workers who can become RNs in a couple - three years inexpensivly and close to their home via a community college as not what is wanted as the future of nursing. Better to drasticaly increase the time and expence (without providing anymore nursing education) and inconvenience but forcing anyone who wants to be an RN go to a university and spend tens of thousands on a BSN. The proposed BSN required is desinged to keep out those undesirable types.I agree with PMFB-RN, as well as Ktliz - many MDs think the length of MD edu is a joke, they feel that the first two years especially, could be totally dropped as a waste of time and money.