She doesn't have a clue!

  1. I was talking to my next door neighbor last night, who happens to be a religion teacher at a parochial school (grades 1-6). School starts today, so I casually asked her if she was ready to go back to school. She said to me, "NO! A ten-week break is just not long enough to recover from the previous school year!" I replied, "Hey, you're talking to someone who only gets 2 weeks vacation a year." Her response: "You just don't understand how stress can wear a body down. We need at least 3 months to recover." My response: "I don't understand stress? People recover from open heart surgery in less than 9 weeks. Get over it."

    Now I don't want to hear from everyone how stressful teaching can be, for I would not be a teacher today for any amount of money in the world. BUT don't be telling me I don't understand stress! I AM A NURSE, FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!

    Thanks for letting me vent some stress!

    Your pal,

    Sherri

    Peace!
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  2. 34 Comments

  3. by   fiestynurse
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    Last edit by fiestynurse on Mar 31, '04
  4. by   bhart
    Amazing..........
  5. by   huckfinn
    Any teachers who read this, please correct me if I am wrong.....
    Teachers also have excellent medical benefits, a union, and public employee retirement benefits with a low years in service limit. All the nurses I know couldn't feed a large dog on their monthly retirement income.
  6. by   nursenel
    Just a note..teachers, low pay? SHOOT they get the summer off !!!! Besides that in this state the teachers make MORE than the regular RN ! Stress is however likened to pain I suppose....maybe you should use the pain scale on your neighbor......" well let's see now. You have stress? On a scale of one to ten......" LMAO
  7. by   nurse s
    I am a teacher. It is stressful. Yes, we get summers off, and that is wonderful, and we honestly need the break from kids (parents too, and all that goes with it) But it's not all that great! I am leaving teaching to become a nurse. Why?
    Well, teaching for me is not very challenging. I don't think teachers aren't intelligent, but for me it's not challenging. You pretty much know what is going to happen every hour of every day. The spontaniety and fast paced nursing environment would be more of a challenge for me. I would like to be able to work my shift (I know sometimes it gets stretched in nursing), and not have to go home and do hours of prep. The pay is O.K., but we are on salary, and I would like to get paid by the hour, and would like to get a decent pay increase. I get about 400 more each year! The biggest reason why I am getting out of teaching is the huge range of opportunities I will have with nursing. I am very limited as to what I can do. I can each 7 different grades (K-6), but most schools are set up the same. Can you even tell me how many different nursing opportunities I will have?
    All in all, I am not happy with teaching, but there are many people who say they wouldn't dream of doing anything else. ( I think I've heard the same thing from nurses!) I can say for sure that you have to be a special kind of person to be a nurse, or to be a teacher. I hope to be a passionate nurse someday, like I see others around me who are passionate teachers.
  8. by   MollyJ
    Actually, I think the stressors of teaching and nursing are similar! As many of you know, I work in a school doing drug prevention and here are some of the similarities I see:

    Both female dominated with males moving up on the food chain more quickly.

    Both are jobs women SOMETIMES use between college and having babies and because sometimes the women use the profession as a temporary stop, they get treated like a temporary condition (that is, ignored).

    Both are held accountable for outcomes they cannot entirely control. The QA process in education consists largely of telling teachers that they must "find a way" to teach every child. I tell teachers all the time that when I was in nursing school that we were told not to try to teach people who are in pain and many of these kids are--not physical pain, but psycho-emotional pain. Some are stressing over chemical abusing parents, their parents divorces, family upheaval, older sibs pregnancies and other dramas, chaos in the household, absent parents due to shift work and other problems, language barriers and having to be the family interpreter. In some cases, it is simply a matter of "you can lead a horse to water, but ya can't make 'em drink."

    Both are expected to take an awful lot of c*** from the public and keep smiling. It isn't easy to keep smiling when an uneducated person tells you that you don't even know what you are doing.

    Both do an essential life-saving service BUT if people don't take advantage of what is offered, it can harm their entire life outcomes. If you doubt that, look at the correlations between poor school performance, juvenile delinquency and crime. Teachers sometimes feel more distress over a high school students refusal to participate in the educational process than students themselves.

    In both professions, it takes a large numbers of professionals to deliver the product (health care, education) and their is very little "status" to go around.

    Lots of responsibility, little power.

    Teachers carry a huge burden of the need to do preps every or many nights and grade papers. (And students expect to be amused, so they have to be "on" all of the time when they present.) Nurses carry the burden of weekends, nights and holidays. We take verbal and literal sh**. Administrators expect us the be "on," too. PR is god over all.

    I agree with nurse s when she says teaching is not challenging. I know teachers that love it and they love it every day and they would be scandalized to see that in print. But for me, when I go into the classroom and say my drug prevention speech to a class room of 8th graders who don't want to hear it--5 times in a row I say the same thing!!!!--it is simply, "Stick a fork in me, I am done!" (Part of my boredom with my speech is that it is highly scripted and doesn't allow me to address some patent truths, like teens will drink. But "research" shows that least harm interventions "are not effective"... And this is?)

    Don't bang on our colleagues in teaching. They made a choice; we made a choice. Teaching just wouldn't be enough for the "adrenalin junkie" in me, but I am really grateful for the great teachers in my son's life who are willing to do preps and grade papers, even though in slices into their lives.
  9. by   nursenel
    The last time I got a raise, and I waited 2 years for this raise; it added up to 250.00 for the year. No I was not being reprimanded...I was not on probation. We were simply having our yearly cutbacks.
  10. by   Enright
    I don't want to get into the whole teachers vs nurses riff I've seen on other boards. I would like to point out that in my state teachers make far more than nurses right out of school. In addition to the summer vacation they get large numbers of days off throughout the year. Also, they have the most powerful union in my state and an excellent retirement program.

    Nursing has none of this. After 25 years, I left the private and non-profit sectors to take a government job. I did it for the excellent pension which I have just enough working years left to qualify for. Based on the retirement plans of my former employers, I'd be selling pencils and eating catfood in retirement without my current job. Health benefits at the hospitals I worked at were shockingly poor. And since I am in a new job, I am back to 2 weeks vacation. Sigh.

    Nursing needs to look at teaching and demand the best of what they have done....increased pay, benefits, retirement and time off.
  11. by   ANnot4me
    I find it interesting to see how bitter some nurses can get just at the mention of the word teacher. I think it has alot to do with the fact that teachers are a lot more empowered and united than nurses.

    Additionally, many nurses want the world to know how bad they have it and that they are the REAL victims and nobody could possible understand how they suffer. Then, immediately after proclaiming her status as a member of the worlds most victimized profession, she turns and stabs the nurse next to her in the back.
  12. by   kewlnurse
    Uhhh, hello? Teachers work 6 hours a day, get 3 mos off in the summer, 2 weeks at easter, 2 weeks at xmas, and a whole bunch of other days during the year, teachers in this area make $75,000/year with tenure and a masters (mandatory in this area), and $100,000 if they get a phd on top of that. Kids are getting stuipider and stupider and more coddled than ever.
  13. by   MollyJ
    Well, I guess teachers have highly variable benefits. I am on a teacher contract and I have not made such poor money since I was out of school 5 to 6 years. $75 thou? Try $26,500. I am lucky my husband makes decent money or I wouldn't even consider this job but it is worth it to stay home in the summer with my kid. Also, if I were a sole wage earner I could not afford to have health care on this wage. Also teachers accrue no vacation (except for that 2 1/2 month hiatus and many of them work another job or go to school during that time) save for a one day personal leave. They do get sick leave, but even sick they have to have an "autopilot" plan that a sub who may know squat about their subject matter can teach. Any papers assigned, they get to grade. "All those days off" include a significant number of contract time days which you spend working on quality assurance projects OR attending a school wide inservice that is designed to meet your schools QPA goals (but not necessarily your own). Also, kewlnurse, good teachers take home papers to grade and do prep _on their own time_ that is, plan their presentations al a dog and pony show--today's kid does not want to spend their time listening to a "boring" lecture. And I'll grant you some teacher's have lesson plans that consistently start with "Play video tape of_________" but many of them don't. I know many good teachers who are constantly tweaking and improving their lesson plans to "bring them alive" and "make them more experiential." The teachers in my high school may have 3 to 5 "preps" meaning they have to prep for 3 to 5 different class contents for 2 to 3 days each week (we're on the block).

    Frankly, you couldn't PAY me enough money to be locked in a room with kids of any age 5 days a week for the 7 3/4 hour per day that is our teacher's contract. Our hs teachers get a 90 minute prep period per day. Middle school gets about 53 minutes prep time per day and grade school teachers get NO prep time per day. Class room presentation is a sliver of what I do, but if it were the whole enchilada, I'd be "hasta la vista, baby." I do like to talk to kids MUCH better one on one and even that is pilgrim's progress in my area (drug prevention).

    I have to admit that I get a little smug and smiley on the four days per year when we are at school for 12 hours/day for parent teacher conferences. Teachers do complain incessantly on those days about the "long day". Ah well--try it during the night while defying your innate bio-rhythms.

    Trust me ladies and gentlemen NEITHER teachers or nurses live in utopia. Ya just pick your problems, that's all.
  14. by   Nottanurse1
    Neither do I know of a teacher that makes the mega bucks! When comparing education requirements a nurse makes far more money than a teacher. An ADN degree is usually a 2 yr degree when a teaching degree is minimal 4 ys. However the 4 most underpaid jobs consist of nursing, teachers, police officers and firefighters.

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