Sexism in Nursing (a male point of view) - page 11

As a male in nursing, I feel that I am sometimes treated differently because of my gender. I believe that I am expected to carry a heavier patient load with less assistance from my female coworkers.... Read More

  1. by   Q.
    Ok Dayray, it's a nursing issue. So...how should this nursing issue be reflected in how us nurses as patients, make decisions?

    If you are speaking that this is a general attitude of the entire nursing profession, well for one I'd need more examples of this other than the lifting scenario we've heard ad nauseum, and I'd also challenge you that such a statement is a sweeping generalization. I could also retort that I've seen more male nurses get promoted into management positions over females nurses, or that physicians have preferred male nurses in the OR (and acted upon that preference), etc etc.
  2. by   baseline
    I swore I wouldn't post here again....but really...Vegas made a good point when she said that some patients ...even in this day and age..don't want a black nurse....or a male nurse...I have had male patients not want me to insert their foley because they saw my male counterpart in the hall...."Why can't HE do this?"...well sir...he can.........

    Sexism and predjudice exists.........plain and simple....and not just in nursing. Is it right? Not in my book........but that isn't going to change things.....yet....if ever....I just choose to go about my days work in a professional manner and do the best job I can. Malevs female? Hell ...just give me somebody who works.....and is a professional....and a sense of humor won't hurt!
  3. by   LasVegasRN
    Originally posted by Dayray
    ...In previous discussions my words were twisted in that way. But I have never said any such thing....
    I stand corrected. By the time I sorted through all the same arguments, it still came out interpreted by others the same way. To be fair, this is one of your quotes:
    As I have said in the past I wouldn't force myself on a patient that was uncomfortable because of my race or gender but I still see it as discrimination.
    Since this is, once again, going back to the same generalizations and argument hashed out on the board before, I am very interested to see your response to Susy's question, instead of the default "sexism" chant.
  4. by   nurs4kids
    Originally posted by Dayray
    Oh and by the way I have 3 daughters, 4 sisters, a wife a mother and I think our hamster is female too. Oh and by the way my last degree was in sociology with a minor in women's studies. I have a very high respect for women and work with women who are vicotms of abuse everyday. I don't see how good touch bad touch has anythign to do with the gender of your care provider as females (although statistily less likely to do so) do in fact molest childeren (statistcly girl victoms more so then boys)
    dayray,
    you're missing my whole point. I'm not concerned with statistics. I'm not concerned with care provider gender. I'm concerned with KNOWING my child has a clear understanding of what is appropriate and inappropriate. This is MY way of protecting her, period. I've known 10+ girls on a personal level who were molested. Not one was by a female. Several of them did not understand that what was happening to them was wrong. I've cared for many girls who were molested. As a mother, my greatest fear is failing to protect my children. This is just one way I feel I can get the message across to my daughter. It is nothing against men, it's against the sick minded individuals who have ruined the lives of friends. I would not think of allowing my daughter to be examined w/o my presence, even with a female doctor.
  5. by   911fltrn
    Im a man! Very secure in my sexuality! In all my years of nursing Ive never seen a man ask for a chaperone or female doctor ask for a chaperone while doing an exam on a male patient. (except of coarse in the jail setting or acute psych pt)
    I personnally dont care who takes care of me as long as they are knowledgable! I agree you cant always pic your provider especially in the emergency room. Insecurity is a terrible thing! Bias towards men in nursing has been covered fairly well here. It definately happens. As does sexual harressment by managers. (of both genders) One of my first jobs as an r.n. was on the postop floor. I could tell alot of qyn surg. pt's would have prefered a female r.n. when i introduced myself at the begining of the shift. (WE DIDNT change assignments based on patient gender requests) Funny by the end of the shift most wanted me to take care of them the next night! Ill NEVER forget in college during a class discussion that I heard "You will never be as good a nurse as a woman cause you cant possibly care as much as i can!" I might change jobs but a womans bias against me wont make me leave nursing! (crummy pay and poor conditions might however) Have a great day all!

    P.S. Dont every find out what the hospital bills for what you do!!!!!
  6. by   Dayray
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    I am still asking for more examples of where there is sexism in nursing. Pointing me to the title of the thread is not giving me factual..or even subjective info. WHAT in nursing is sexist???
    Well to start off with the male nurse/ female patient debate you started.

    Lifting is a valid issue I'm sure it's not the same everywhere and I know on my current floor its a matter of who is closer. On many units it is assumed that males will do the lifting even if that means they are pulled away from their assignments 30 times a night.

    I personally was assigned to be the aid for a night because "I would be better at lifting because I am male" even though many of the nurses on the unit both outweighed me and were much taller.

    The idea that men are less compassionate then women is sexist and that has been reiterated on this board over and over.

    I have also found that when a new male arrives on the unit the experienced nurses very quickly put them in their place. Although all new nurses seem to be put threw the ringer as pecking order is established men get it longer and harder.

    I have to admit that their are some aspects of nursing that are sexist toward women and men benefit from them.
    Doctors do tend to treat male nurses with more respect and there are more men in management then statically equal with their representation in floor nurses.
    I am still asking for more examples of where there is sexism in nursing. Pointing me to the title of the thread is not giving me factual..or even subjective info. WHAT in nursing is sexist???
  7. by   LasVegasRN
    Originally posted by Dayray
    ...The idea that men are less compassionate then women is sexist and that has been reiterated on this board over and over...
    I won't comment on the other points because I haven't seen the other male regulars on this board complain about these issues as affecting them so greatly to the point of them saying they are constant victims of sexism.

    I have NOT seen on this board, "reiterated over and over" that men are less compassionate. If you can post quotes where members have said that I'd be interested to know who did. I don't recall a time on this board where we ever questioned our male counterparts level of compassion.
  8. by   Q.
    Originally posted by Dayray
    . The idea that men are less compassionate then women is sexist and that has been reiterated on this board over and over.
    Ack! That I don't agree with at all. Compassion is determined by the person, not gender. The most compassionate people I've met, on this board in fact, are men. Although I would think the notion that men are less compassionate is more of a stereotype, rather than a sexist remark.

    I have to admit that their are some aspects of nursing that are sexist toward women and men benefit from them.
    Doctors do tend to treat male nurses with more respect and there are more men in management then statically equal with their representation in floor nurses.
    So, basically, sexism, like racism, ageism, and every other -ism is everywhere. Is sexism in nursing any more of an issue than sexism in Corporate America? Is is something we need to pay attention to more? Doesn't seem like it, as you've pointed out that it goes both ways. It sounds more like it's just an issue period. Not necessarily a nursing issue. I guess to me, a nursing issue is an issue unique to nursing. Semantics I know, but it's relevant to how I understand this discussion.
  9. by   nurs4kids
    Originally posted by Dayray
    .

    Well to start off with the male nurse/ female patient debate you started.

    Lifting is a valid issue I'm sure it's not the same everywhere and I know on my current floor its a matter of who is closer. On many units it is assumed that males will do the lifting even if that means they are pulled away from their assignments 30 times a night.

    I personally was assigned to be the aid for a night because "I would be better at lifting because I am male" even though many of the nurses on the unit both outweighed me and were much taller.

    The idea that men are less compassionate then women is sexist and that has been reiterated on this board over and over.

    I have also found that when a new male arrives on the unit the experienced nurses very quickly put them in their place. Although all new nurses seem to be put threw the ringer as pecking order is established men get it longer and harder.

    I have to admit that their are some aspects of nursing that are sexist toward women and men benefit from them.
    Doctors do tend to treat male nurses with more respect and there are more men in management then statically equal with their representation in floor nurses.
    sooooooo...
    it's been reiterated over and over on this board that women are to blame for the problems of nursing because we are catty, back-stabbing, etc. Is this sexist?

    it's my experience that ALL new nurses are "put in their place". I've never noticed it being worse on the men, I'll watch for that. It's called "eating our young" and nursing has the incurable virus.

    and you're right, docs do generally treat male nurses with more respect and climb the ladder quicker.

    so, is it fair to say that nursing is no more sexist than any other profession? or are we still saying the males in nursing get a raw deal in comparison to the females?
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  11. by   LasVegasRN
  12. by   Q.
    Vegas....
    (whining)

    Why do you get all the cool smilies?
  13. by   LasVegasRN
    'Cuz I'm cool like that.

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