Sexism in Nursing (a male point of view)

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As a male in nursing, I feel that I am sometimes treated differently because of my gender. I believe that I am expected to carry a heavier patient load with less assistance from my female coworkers. I also believe that men are more often assigned to care for obese patients; I am also sometimes pulled to the other end of the unit to assist in moving heavy patients because I am stronger.

For instance, I work in an ICU and our nurse to patient ratio is either 1:1 or 1:2; the other day 4 out of the 5 doubles (1:2) were assigned to men. On the same day, a female nurse said "We can get so and so to help, he's a big strong guy." I responded that I felt that was sexism and the nurse said "Are you saying that men aren't physically stronger than women." I replied that I agreed that, in general, men are stronger than women; however, they are not immune to back injuries or repeatative stress injuries. We are friends and this was a friendly and playful discussion.

I think part of what motivated me to post this topic is the Oregon poster to recruit men into nursing because more men in nursing would change the current culture. Nursing is female dominated; therfore, so is the culture. Most men (especially the real men to whom this poster is directed) are not used to being the "underdog" or to working in an environment where their way of dealing with stress may be viewed as inappropriate. The adjustment can be difficult. I have talked to other men I work with and most have agreed (quietly), but it isn't something that is talked about. I thought that this would be a great forum in which to discuss this topic.

My aim is not to attack female nurses or to be confrontational, it is to discuss this topic openly as I feel it to be important.

Specializes in Pediatric Rehabilitation.
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Originally posted by chigap

As a male in nursing, I feel that I am sometimes treated differently because of my gender. I believe that I am expected to carry a heavier patient load with less assistance from my female coworkers. I also believe that men are more often assigned to care for obese patients; I am also sometimes pulled to the other end of the unit to assist in moving heavy patients because I am stronger.

For instance, I work in an ICU and our nurse to patient ratio is either 1:1 or 1:2; the other day 4 out of the 5 doubles (1:2) were assigned to men. On the same day, a female nurse said "We can get so and so to help, he's a big strong guy." I responded that I felt that was sexism and the nurse said "Are you saying that men aren't physically stronger than women." I replied that I agreed that, in general, men are stronger than women; however, they are not immune to back injuries or repetitive stress injuries. We are friends and this was a friendly and playful discussion.

This is the lead off post in the thread. It's about being asked to assist in lifting, nothing more.

I am still asking for more examples of where there is sexism in nursing. Pointing me to the title of the thread is not giving me factual..or even subjective info. WHAT in nursing is sexist???

Specializes in LDRP; Education.

Ok Dayray, it's a nursing issue. So...how should this nursing issue be reflected in how us nurses as patients, make decisions?

If you are speaking that this is a general attitude of the entire nursing profession, well for one I'd need more examples of this other than the lifting scenario we've heard ad nauseum, and I'd also challenge you that such a statement is a sweeping generalization. I could also retort that I've seen more male nurses get promoted into management positions over females nurses, or that physicians have preferred male nurses in the OR (and acted upon that preference), etc etc.

I swore I wouldn't post here again....but really...Vegas made a good point when she said that some patients ...even in this day and age..don't want a black nurse....or a male nurse...I have had male patients not want me to insert their foley because they saw my male counterpart in the hall...."Why can't HE do this?"...well sir...he can.........

Sexism and predjudice exists.........plain and simple....and not just in nursing. Is it right? Not in my book........but that isn't going to change things.....yet....if ever....I just choose to go about my days work in a professional manner and do the best job I can. Malevs female? Hell ...just give me somebody who works.....and is a professional....and a sense of humor won't hurt!

Originally posted by Dayray

...In previous discussions my words were twisted in that way. But I have never said any such thing....

I stand corrected. By the time I sorted through all the same arguments, it still came out interpreted by others the same way. To be fair, this is one of your quotes:

As I have said in the past I wouldn't force myself on a patient that was uncomfortable because of my race or gender but I still see it as discrimination.

Since this is, once again, going back to the same generalizations and argument hashed out on the board before, I am very interested to see your response to Susy's question, instead of the default "sexism" chant.

Specializes in Pediatric Rehabilitation.
Originally posted by Dayray

Oh and by the way I have 3 daughters, 4 sisters, a wife a mother and I think our hamster is female too. Oh and by the way my last degree was in sociology with a minor in women's studies. I have a very high respect for women and work with women who are vicotms of abuse everyday. I don't see how good touch bad touch has anythign to do with the gender of your care provider as females (although statistily less likely to do so) do in fact molest childeren (statistcly girl victoms more so then boys)

dayray,

you're missing my whole point. I'm not concerned with statistics. I'm not concerned with care provider gender. I'm concerned with KNOWING my child has a clear understanding of what is appropriate and inappropriate. This is MY way of protecting her, period. I've known 10+ girls on a personal level who were molested. Not one was by a female. Several of them did not understand that what was happening to them was wrong. I've cared for many girls who were molested. As a mother, my greatest fear is failing to protect my children. This is just one way I feel I can get the message across to my daughter. It is nothing against men, it's against the sick minded individuals who have ruined the lives of friends. I would not think of allowing my daughter to be examined w/o my presence, even with a female doctor.

Im a man! Very secure in my sexuality! In all my years of nursing Ive never seen a man ask for a chaperone or female doctor ask for a chaperone while doing an exam on a male patient. (except of coorifice in the jail setting or acute psych pt)

I personnally dont care who takes care of me as long as they are knowledgable! I agree you cant always pic your provider especially in the emergency room. Insecurity is a terrible thing! Bias towards men in nursing has been covered fairly well here. It definately happens. As does sexual harressment by managers. (of both genders) One of my first jobs as an r.n. was on the postop floor. I could tell alot of qyn surg. pt's would have prefered a female r.n. when i introduced myself at the begining of the shift. (WE DIDNT change assignments based on patient gender requests) Funny by the end of the shift most wanted me to take care of them the next night! Ill NEVER forget in college during a class discussion that I heard "You will never be as good a nurse as a woman cause you cant possibly care as much as i can!" I might change jobs but a womans bias against me wont make me leave nursing! (crummy pay and poor conditions might however) Have a great day all!

P.S. Dont every find out what the hospital bills for what you do!!!!!

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I am still asking for more examples of where there is sexism in nursing. Pointing me to the title of the thread is not giving me factual..or even subjective info. WHAT in nursing is sexist???

Well to start off with the male nurse/ female patient debate you started.

Lifting is a valid issue I'm sure it's not the same everywhere and I know on my current floor its a matter of who is closer. On many units it is assumed that males will do the lifting even if that means they are pulled away from their assignments 30 times a night.

I personally was assigned to be the aid for a night because "I would be better at lifting because I am male" even though many of the nurses on the unit both outweighed me and were much taller.

The idea that men are less compassionate then women is sexist and that has been reiterated on this board over and over.

I have also found that when a new male arrives on the unit the experienced nurses very quickly put them in their place. Although all new nurses seem to be put threw the ringer as pecking order is established men get it longer and harder.

I have to admit that their are some aspects of nursing that are sexist toward women and men benefit from them.

Doctors do tend to treat male nurses with more respect and there are more men in management then statically equal with their representation in floor nurses.

I am still asking for more examples of where there is sexism in nursing. Pointing me to the title of the thread is not giving me factual..or even subjective info. WHAT in nursing is sexist???
Originally posted by Dayray

...The idea that men are less compassionate then women is sexist and that has been reiterated on this board over and over...

I won't comment on the other points because I haven't seen the other male regulars on this board complain about these issues as affecting them so greatly to the point of them saying they are constant victims of sexism.

I have NOT seen on this board, "reiterated over and over" that men are less compassionate. If you can post quotes where members have said that I'd be interested to know who did. I don't recall a time on this board where we ever questioned our male counterparts level of compassion.

Specializes in LDRP; Education.
Originally posted by Dayray

. The idea that men are less compassionate then women is sexist and that has been reiterated on this board over and over.

Ack! That I don't agree with at all. Compassion is determined by the person, not gender. The most compassionate people I've met, on this board in fact, are men. Although I would think the notion that men are less compassionate is more of a stereotype, rather than a sexist remark.

I have to admit that their are some aspects of nursing that are sexist toward women and men benefit from them.

Doctors do tend to treat male nurses with more respect and there are more men in management then statically equal with their representation in floor nurses.

So, basically, sexism, like racism, ageism, and every other -ism is everywhere. Is sexism in nursing any more of an issue than sexism in Corporate America? Is is something we need to pay attention to more? Doesn't seem like it, as you've pointed out that it goes both ways. It sounds more like it's just an issue period. Not necessarily a nursing issue. I guess to me, a nursing issue is an issue unique to nursing. Semantics I know, but it's relevant to how I understand this discussion. ;)

Ladies and Gentlemen- A man getting promoted over a more qualified woman is sexism. Nurses percived as service workers or maids is sexism. Female nurses percieved as "hot" is sexism.Asking a male nurse for physical assistance is not sexism.The above examples are overt. It is the covert part that is dangerously undermining to our profession. The things sjoe talked about in his post.The bad behaviors many nurses were taught as children that they carry on today can be attributed to sexism. There is no such thing as "reverse sexism" We all pay the price. Look and you will see.

ERN- I have been trying to respond to your ugly story about the psych ward. It illustrated many problems which we can leave for another thread. Was it sexism? It was certainly gender bias.I have seen that type of scenario reapeatedly on psych floors (esp. subacute)I have even seen some guys get off on the jailer vs the jailed trip. Most of them were not nor ever will be nurse.

If some one said to me that they would prefer a white nurse. I would hate that, really feel hate. But as Suzy previous thread about Watson style nursing so clearly pointed out you dont have to love your pt to be a good nurse. One should hate racism. Sepearate it from the pt. One should hate sexism in the same way. Do you see?

Hmm Susy, Susy, Susy

How many different ways can the discussion be shifted back to patient choice?

I don't think that nurse's personal choice of health care will effect societies view of nursing and I don't think anyone should do something against their better judgment for the sake of proving any point. I do however take acceptation to the prejudice and bias upon which choices are made and I believe that those underling prejudice and the use of such things as associating the male nurses with child molesting do and will continue to have a negative impact on the publics view of nursing.

And Nurse4kids . While as I said before I don't think anyone should tell you where to go for health care, I don't see your male doctor would confuse my daughter argument as valid. Your teaching should be about good touches (touches that are meant to help or protect) vs. bad touches (touches that are meant to hurt or embarrass) rather then race or gender.

I also have to point out that your example still displays your thinking about men by your statement "Not one was by a female"

Despite what you may think women do molest children and if your argument were to hold any water you would have to exclude both males and females from providing intimate care of your daughter. Unless your reasoning is based on the statistical incidence of molestation by males which you argue it is not.

Specializes in LDRP; Education.
Originally posted by Dayray

Hmm Susy, Susy, Susy

How many different ways can the discussion be shifted back to patient choice?

How many ways do ya want?

:D

Ok, I see your point. As nurses for example, we can influence the public's perception of NPs if we in fact, utilize them for our own personal health care. We can promote public school by sending our own kids there. Sure. I agree with that.

But..that's a hard nut to crack. (no pun intended). Sometimes, especially when it comes to kids or health, we make choices that aren't necessarily to promote an agenda, but simply, what we feel comfortable with. I don't see any way around that, unfortunately.

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