Right to work states vs. non-right to work states

  1. 0 Can someone please explain to me what it means if you are in a right to work state. I keep seeing so many references to this in so many posts. What are the pros and cons of living in a right to work state. HELP PLEASE........................EXPLAIN????????????? ??
  2. Visit  szccdw profile page

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  3. Visit  louloubell1 profile page
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    I just read an article that mentioned right to work states, but I honestly don't know exactly what that means. I'm curious about the responses that you'll get because I'd really like to know too. Part of what I got from the article was that wages were generally lower for most jobs in right to work states, but I'm not sure if that's right.

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  4. Visit  sjoe profile page
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    In a "right to work" state, you do NOT have to join a union to work in ANY facility in that state. (In other words, you have the "right to work," regardless of whether you choose to join a union. Usually, what would otherwise be union dues ARE still deducted from your paycheck, but usually go to some kind of charity instead of to the union. You get all the benefits that union members have fought for, but don't need to join yourself. This, understandably, can create certain tensions between yourself and union members.

    In other states, you Do have to join the union, if the facility is a "closed shop," (an all-union facility or all-union job category at that facility--like, for example, all the RNs at a certain hospital have to belong to a certain union).
    Last edit by sjoe on Jan 11, '03
  5. Visit  BMS4 profile page
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    Is there a list somewhere of which states are right-to-work and which are not?
  6. Visit  BadBird profile page
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    In a right to work state you can be fired for no reason at all, no union to protect the workers rights.
  7. Visit  szccdw profile page
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    I typed in right to work states in my computer and got the information as to what states are right to work states
  8. Visit  NurseDennie profile page
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    I'm certainly not the expert on this, but I've been in a "right to work" state for quite a while. I think that states that are NOT right to work you either have to join a union if there is one where you work, or you have to pay them dues whether you agree with them, have problems with their leadership or whatever.

    Tennessee is a right to work state, and you are not required to join a union or pay dues to the union if you go to work where there is a union. But if you work where there is a union, you certainly have the right to join it. I've never been in a union myself. I can see advantages to it, but I've got some "issues" with both unions that were attempting to unionize two separate places I've worked. I thought that my friend who was disabled after a work injury would have been treated better if whe'd been unionized. But people I've met disabled at some factories with unions say that's not necessarily so. I guess it depends almost as much on the union locally (attitudes, etc.) as it does on the union as a whole.

    I don't know if the right to fire goes hand in hand with the right to work, but I'd have to suspect that it does. Of course, if you're fired for or in a way that breaks fed laws and regulations, then that's different. So "they" can fire you if they don't like the color of your hair, but they can't fire you for using FMLA.

    Isn't it funny? Here was a perfect opportunity for me to admit that my lack of specific information is a perfectly good basis for NOT offering my opinion. But noooooo.....

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  9. Visit  P_RN profile page
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    http://www.nrtw.org/rtws.htm

    Choose your state and the statutes come up.
  10. Visit  Totone656 profile page
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    Originally posted by NurseDennie

    I don't know if the right to fire goes hand in hand with the right to work, but I'd have to suspect that it does. Of course, if you're fired for or in a way that breaks fed laws and regulations, then that's different. So "they" can fire you if they don't like the color of your hair, but they can't fire you for using FMLA.

    Isn't it funny? Here was a perfect opportunity for me to admit that my lack of specific information is a perfectly good basis for NOT offering my opinion. But noooooo.....

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    Dennie
    Dennie you are so right when you say firing goes hand in hand with the right to work. In the state of Tennessee an employer does not have to have a reason to fire you, but they have to have something to back it up. I was let go (a non nursing position, in fact it was for this reason I went into nursing) and with the help of an attorney I was able to get my unemployement benefits. It was well worth the money it cost to hire the attorney just to see my ex-boss (executive director of a non profit organization) being told to be quiet.
  11. Visit  BMS4 profile page
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    Thank you.
  12. Visit  Gomer profile page
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    Originally posted by BadBird
    In a right to work state you can be fired for no reason at all, no union to protect the workers rights.
    "Employment-At-Will" states you can be fired or quit without reason.

    "Right-To-Work" states you can not be forced to join a union to be employed.

    They are not the same thing.
  13. Visit  -jt profile page
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    <Part of what I got from the article was that wages were generally lower for most jobs in right to work states, but I'm not sure if that's right.>

    Its true. Theres a lot of data & news written about it already. Theres was a govt report confirming it last year too. Also, the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Average Annual Pay by State and Industry, 2000, news release, Sept. 11, 2001, stats show that in states which limit workers' rights to collectively bargain contracts (including wages and benefits) average pay in these so-called "right-to-work" states was at least 20 percent lower than in states where workers have the freedom to form strong unions.

    Data, stats, charts & graphs can be viewed at:

    http://www.aflcio.org/aboutunions/jo...iondifference/


    <Unions Raise Wages--Especially for Minorities and Women
    Union women earn 30 percent more than nonunion women

    <Union Pay is Higher in Nearly All Occupational Groups
    In nearly every occupational category, union members earn more than nonunion workers.

    <Unions Workers Have Better Health Care and Pensions
    See and hear what nurse Karen Esposito has to say about health-care benefits.

    <Workers' Incomes are Lower in States Where Workers Don't Have Union Rights
    In states that have laws restricting workers' rights to form strong unions, the average pay for all workers is lower.

    <Union Workers Have Greater Job Stability

    <Unions Are Important for Women
    See and hear what union activist Laura Gordon has to say about women and unions.
    Download a flier on women and unions.

    <Unions Are Important for Minorities

    <Unions and Civil Rights
    Last edit by -jt on Jan 13, '03
  14. Visit  -jt profile page
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    <Is there a list somewhere of which states are right-to-work and which are not?>


    Right-to-work states include:
    Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, & Virginia, but there are still unions representing nurses in all of them.

    And nurses in Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Kansas, Nevada, North Carolina, Utah, and Wyoming have become part of the national RN labor union - the United American Nurses, AFL-CIO anyway. In spite of their state being "right to work" & "anti-union".
    Last edit by -jt on Jan 13, '03


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