Religion's Place in Nursing - page 15

I often read Billy Graham's column and thought today's was particulary pertinent to our profession. I'm just curious as to your own personal thoughts and feelings on the matter. (Please, no... Read More

  1. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from earle58
    so as a non-Christ follower, how does one explain all the miracles he doesn't perform? how does one explain all the horrific tragedies that happen with children and all other innocent people?
    First, many of us believe in a higher power that performs miracles...it just isn't Christ that we believe in.

    Second, good and evil things happen with no apparent reason......there doesn't have to be reason or being directing it.
  2. by   leslie :-D
    so then how is it decided on who DOES receive miracles? i'm not sure i'm really looking for an answer but will share that my personal and intimate relationship with God is based on everchanging, evolutionary and transcendental experiences that change and define our relationship. I don't follow or memorize any scriptures because our relationship is unplanned and spontaneous. It is based and shaped because of my life's actions (or inactions) and everything that i breathe, sense, feel, has a direct affect with and from God. it is my faith in God that brings me peace even when i'm in conflict. it is my faith in God that i continue to self actualize on a daily basis and question many things but don't need answers to. I SO understand and relate to those that are at peace with their God and NO, you do NOT need Jesus Christ to be at peace. God created us and our minds. I would find it incredulous that He would want all of us to follow and obey everything Jesus professes. As a result of my non-Catholic upbringing, it was solely up to me to come to my own conclusions and philosophies. it is through these trials and tribulations that i came to be. i cannot imagine man being totally yielding and accepting of everything just because Jesus (or anyone else for that matter) said so. it is unnatural and defies what man typifies. ultimately i have found that when you have a sense of yourself, then you have a sense of God and what He is. and once you truly, truly do find peace, then you have found God.
  3. by   caroladybelle
    There is no decision necessary...they can just occur.

    But for some people, that is too simple and they require a reason.

    I have Faith and am perfectly fine with it just happening.
  4. by   Owney
    I just finished reading every post on this string--WHEW!

    All of the posts espouse the belief that if there is a god, (s)he would be pleased that we are using our brains to think.

    The sign on my church lawn says, "The Church For The Modern Thinker." I can tell you with certainly that all of you, and your ideas would be welcome. You might encounter a disagreement if you say that you are right and everybody who does not think EXACTLY like you is wrong.

    Please read my previous post, number 75 and the responses to it. Here are ten good reasons to join a Unitarian Universalist Congregation:

    Because here we join with open hearts and minds to worship together, seeking what is sacred among us.

    Because here we are part of a long, liberal tradition of reason and tolerance, of hope and liberation.

    Because here we honor our Jewish and Christian roots, and also reach out to know the great truths found in other religious expressions.

    Because here we acknowledge that revelation is never sealed and empower ourselves to search for new truths.

    Because here we nurture our children's enthusiasms and encourage their questions.

    Because here we welcome diverse people and views.

    Because here we join our strength with others to create a more just society.

    Because here we respect the whole self--mind, body, and spirit working together.

    Because here we encourage each other to be true to ourselves.

    Because her we build a supportive community that eases our loneliness and opens our hearts.

    --Bill and Barbara Hamilton-Holway and Mark Harris

    1995 Unitarian Universalist Association
  5. by   teeituptom
    Quote from sbic56
    I'm more of the camp in which common sense tells me that the accomplishments of men are no more than that. And evolution is provable, so it is. One could also say, it takes more common sense to doubt the existance of god than to have blind faith that he exists. In no way do I imply having faith is not a good thing. It just isn't indicative of common sense.
    Common sense and logic do not necessarily go along with faith

    My faith isnt blind. my eyes are wide open

    Even just plain old common sense shows there is a master plan to evolution, whether we know what it is or not

    I dont think I lack common sense

    I thing I know, faith and prayer, whatever religion never hurts, it can only help, but never hurt
  6. by   sbic56
    Quote from teeituptom
    Common sense and logic do not necessarily go along with faith

    My faith isnt blind. my eyes are wide open

    Even just plain old common sense shows there is a master plan to evolution, whether we know what it is or not

    I dont think I lack common sense

    I thing I know, faith and prayer, whatever religion never hurts, it can only help, but never hurt
    Anyone who feels about Bush as you do, has common sense, IMO. :chuckle Seriously, I didn't mean to incinuate you didn't have it...just that being faithful has little to do with common sense one way or the other. Looking back at my own post, I see it is almost as wishy-washy as the post to which I was replying and didn't reflect my true thoughts very well.
  7. by   teeituptom
    Quote from sbic56
    Anyone who feels about Bush as you do, has common sense, IMO. :chuckle Seriously, I didn't mean to incinuate you didn't have it...just that being faithful has little to do with common sense one way or the other. Looking back at my own post, I see it is almost as wishy-washy as the post to which I was replying and didn't reflect my true thoughts very well.
    Thats cool with me
  8. by   BeachNurse
    Quote from caroladybelle
    First, many of us believe in a higher power that performs miracles...it just isn't Christ that we believe in.

    Second, good and evil things happen with no apparent reason......there doesn't have to be reason or being directing it.
    I too am non-Christian and firmly believe that miracles happen and have seen it with my own son, who against huge odds survived surgery at 11 weeks, sepsis, a liver transplant at 11 months, followed by PCP pneumonia, CMV colitis and, finally Burkett's lymphoma at the age of 3. In most of the instances, especially with the sepsis, PCP and lymphoma his doctors at Johns Hopkins did not believe he would live. He is turning 11 years old in May---if that is not a miracle I don't know what is. AND, my belief in ONE G-d has not hindered miracles in my life...I feel quite blessed and am very thankful for them.
  9. by   FranEMTnurse
    A teacher asked her first grade class if they believe God exists. One little girl enthusiasticlly raised her hand. She replied:
    Christy.. Yes I do.
    Teacher.. Do you see the trees out there?
    Christy..Yes
    Teacher..Do you see the grass out there?
    Christy.. Yes
    Teacher .. Now look up at the sky. Do you see God?
    Christy.. No
    Teacher.. Then how do you know He exists?
    Christie..I just do
    Christie in turn asked the teacher:
    Christie.. Do you see all of us?
    Teacher..Yes
    Christie..Do you see the color of your clothing?
    Teacher..Yes
    Christie..Do you see your heart beating?
    Teacher..No
    Christy..Then how do you know it exists?
    So you see people? Same principle with one exception..We all have free choice in how we want to live, and it was granted to us by God through Moses. Deuteronomy 30:16
    Quote from BeachNurse
    I too am non-Christian and firmly believe that miracles happen and have seen it with my own son, who against huge odds survived surgery at 11 weeks, sepsis, a liver transplant at 11 months, followed by PCP pneumonia, CMV colitis and, finally Burkett's lymphoma at the age of 3. In most of the instances, especially with the sepsis, PCP and lymphoma his doctors at Johns Hopkins did not believe he would live. He is turning 11 years old in May---if that is not a miracle I don't know what is. AND, my belief in ONE G-d has not hindered miracles in my life...I feel quite blessed and am very thankful for them.
  10. by   FranEMTnurse
    A new pastor was visiting in the homes of his
    parishioners. At one house it seemed obvious that
    someone was at home, but no answer came to his
    repeated knocks at the door. Therefore, he took out a
    card and wrote Revelation 3:20" on the back of it
    and stuck it in the door.

    When the offering was processed the following Sunday,
    he found that his card had been returned.
    Added to it was this cryptic message, "Genesis 3:10."
    Reaching for his Bible to check out the citation, he
    broke up in gales of laughter. Revelation 3:20 begins
    "Behold, I stand at the door and knock."
    Genesis 3:10 reads, "I heard your voice in the garden
    and I was afraid for
    I was naked."
  11. by   kateRN
    Most of the time i don't believe things that billy rants and raves about either, such as the "gay, jewish bashing", but i do believe in the resurrection of Jesus.

    I can believe in the Son of God rising from the dead, because I believe that with God anything is possible. It is ignorant to believe that people heal people. God heals people THROUGH other people. God gives people in the medical field the understanding and the knowledge about the human body to treat it, but in the end it is God who is really doing the healing.

    I understand that it goes against everything we are taught in the medical profession to believe that someone could "rise from the dead", but isn't that what faith is all about? Faith is believing in something even though you don't have physical prove right in front of you.

    I do believe that some things in the Bible are metaphorical, of course. The Bible was written in a different period of time, and we have to account for that. It is my faith, however, that leads me to believe that God can do whatever He/She wants to. And if He wants to bring someone back to life, He will. It may be a defibrillator that jump starts the electrical activity back into a heart, but it is God who really brings that person back to life.
    In my Christian/Catholic opinion, that is.




    Quote from jaimealmostRN
    Oh, didn't realize that Billy was there 2000 years ago :angryfire ... I am Presbryterian, but believe that the bible is metaphorical. Ain't no one rising from the dead...I think the message is that being conveyed is that death isn't the end and/or personal change is always possible. And it's funny how "holy" billy is, and then goes on to bash some of god's children (gay, jewish,etc.) Someone who is truly enlightened shows tolerance and acceptance of others.
  12. by   jemommyRN
    I don't want to get banned from posting here so I am going to keep this clean. Jesus rose from the dead. Whether you like it or not. Who cares if you don't believe it? It happened, so get over yourselves because YOU can't do nothing on this earth without GOD. I am a true believer and I know for a fact what the power of God can do because he has performed in my life. All of you people don't have to believe. You just won't enter the Kingdom of God. I guess you don't care either. Well, that's your business. I know whom to serve and I would never question The One above. You all have a right to express your opinion but just know that YOU'RE WRONG, and I don't care who you are or what your profession is :angryfire


    FORGIVE THEM FATHER, FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO
  13. by   duckboy20
    I feel a lot of negative postings will come about the above message but oh well.

    I feel that if you believe in God and the Bible it is not intellectually sound to say there could not have been a resurrection. First of all, if you believe in God I am guessing that you would believe in Creationsism. To believe in that you would believe that God created this world and everything in it, including the people. Therefore what would limit him to being able to raise someone from the dead? Jesus' resurrection is not the only time someone was raised from the dead in the Bible so I guess those are false as well?
    It is no use believing in God if you don't believe in the resurrection. If the resurrection did not happen then there is no way to salvation so you might as well believe there is not a god, or at least the biblical God, because the resurrection is the only way to salvation through him.
    True the Bible has a lot of metaphors. The parables are a big example. I also believe that lots of writings in the Bible actually happened but are there for us to learn by and apply to our own life.
    A person on a prior posting was talking about other writings during that time and why didn't they have as much validity or many Christians read those books and believe also what they say about what happened during that time period. I myself believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, meaning he was speaking through the authors of it, and he chose what would encompass the Bible.
    I don't know about the other books, I have no doubt they were written during that time and might be equally as valid. I believe though that the Bible is what God layed out for us to go by so that is why I find it necessary to follow it.

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