question: can you chart on a pt. being rude? - Page 3
Register Today!- Feb 13 by Rhi007It's classed as discrimination and verbally abusive so the patient or patients family must pay the fine on the spot, a record of it goes in the patients file so other doctors know.
I'm at a university hospital and although events like that don't happen very often it keeps the patients in check.
I've also found many of the prisoners that come through are nicer than the public, even if they are shackled and have 4guards on them - Feb 13 by One1Absolutely chart it. Like everybody else said, use objective language and quote whenever possible. Also document what you did to de-escalate the situation. If this patient ends up complaining about the "customer service" then you have yourself covered.
- Feb 13 by woohObjective notes are fun. I LOVE to quote patients and their families. Some of my most entertaining notes are quoting the families. People love my notes because I will quote the language.
And don't do *$%&# either. Did the patient say, "F-asterisk-dollar sign-percent-ampersand-pound"? No? Then don't write that they did! - Feb 13 by buytheshoes11I will use quotes from the patient if necessary. Like others have said, just state the FACTS - no speculation, especially when documenting these types of things.
- Feb 13 by f1j1nurseI work in corrections and verbal abuse is a daily part of my job. That said yes I chart it in pateints chart with quotes. I have been lucky so far that it has not gotten physical thanks to our diligent correctional officers.JZ_RN likes this.
- Feb 13 by Twinmom06we had an OB patient over the summer that was making anti-Semitic slurs at one of the Jewish OB's as well as using really foul language...the OB's note started "in 38 years of my practice this is quite frankly the worst patient I've ever dealt with" - while it may not be the most PC way to chart we had a few good snickers...
- Feb 13 by sandyfeetQuote from woohI feel the same way! Nurse SandyFeet, gettin' paid to swear.Objective notes are fun. I LOVE to quote patients and their families. Some of my most entertaining notes are quoting the families.
wooh likes this. - Feb 14 by JZ_RNI document in quotation marks "patient words" and I also document patient behaviors. You don't need to say, the patient was rude and yelled at me and smacked me, I just write, patient began to raise his voice, saying "patient words" and then struck me in my left arm. If I have an injury like a bruise or something, document and file charges, take a picture of the wound, measure, etc.anotherone likes this.
- Feb 14 by MeriwhenQuote from woohAgreed. I've written out, in unedited and exquisite detail, the most profane things that patients have said. If the patient is not directing the verbal aggression at me or anyone in general, I'll leave the specifics out and say something like "patient swearing to himself in his room." However, if they're addressing me and/or I hear them being verbally aggressive to others, they will get quoted verbatim. And I never asterisk/ampersand anything out, not even the really bad words.Objective notes are fun. I LOVE to quote patients and their families. Some of my most entertaining notes are quoting the families. People love my notes because I will quote the language.
And don't do *$%&# either. Did the patient say, "F-asterisk-dollar sign-percent-ampersand-pound"? No? Then don't write that they did!
Once, one of my notes read like a Quentin Tarrantino script. This particular patient was a 5150 that hated EVERYONE regardless of gender, race, ethnicity--including those of their own race/gender--and didn't hesitate to tell us all about it. As they were making threatening statements to us, I documented it all word for word.wooh likes this. - Feb 14 by SaoirseRNQuotes are my best charting friend, because as others have said, what is considered "verbally agressive/abusive" to me may not mean the same thing to others, but "Get the **** away from me, you stupid ****, or you'll be sorry" speaks for itself. I write it out verbatim, all the words the patient said. They said it, so I'll chart it.
Also, others have said this as well, but chart how they appeared to you, which will often let the reader "see" the patient's state. Pacing, clenched fists, flushed face, clenching jaw when speaking, raising voice, throwing or pushing things, grunting, kicking, pulling at their own fingers, smacking/hitting/punching others, those kinds of actions are very indicative of the patient's emotional state. With described actions alongside direct quotes, it isn't so important to apply a word to the patient's state (agitated, upset, angry). Somebody reading the charting can interpret those actions and words as you did and see why the subsequent interventions (calling doctor, calling staff assist, orders for restraints or security, etc) were warranted.