Preferential treatment for new staff

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Does anyone else have a problem with new staff getting preferential treatment? I have worked at the same hospital for eighteen years, and it seems new hires are getting better treatment from administration than older staff. They get sign on bonuses, better schedules, and seem to have lower standards of behavior. I was actually asked to work overtime last weekend because a guy who has worked here only three months wanted the weekend off. The supervisor even said that she wanted to keep him happy because he was new. It wouldn't have made me angry if I hadn't been told just last month I could not cover for another RN who wanted the day off for her sister's surgery because it would mean overtime. People are coming into the hospital and paid the same wage as those of us who have been here for years. A friend of mine was moved to night shift recently because there was a new girl coming who could only work days. There was an incident recently where one of our staff who has been here for fifteen years was suspended because he said something inappropriate to a physician. I witnessed the incident, and he was way out of line, and did deserve suspension. Shortly after that , another girl,who has been in our unit less than a year, called a doctor a name in front of a patient and his family. When the doc complained, he was told that she would apologize to him. She refused to apologize, and nothing further was done. This girl is often inappropriate to patients, families, and physicians, but it is just overlooked. There are incidents similar to this on a weekly basis, some just as outrageuos, some more subtle, but all very demoralizing. I know that recruitment of new staff is important, but keeping experienced staff happy should be too. Loyalty should be rewarded. I have never thought that there was a place for unions in health care, but I am beginning to think that maybe organizing would stop this kind of treatment? Anyone have any thoughts?

Specializes in Trauma acute surgery, surgical ICU, PACU.

I see both sides of the coin. But as a fairly new nurse, I am sick of having seniority and experience LORDED OVER ME by the "oldbies".

Comments about "earning" benefits such as the vacation time you want and a decent shift pattern. Are these not things that all workers should be entitled to? How long do I have to work in order for senior staff to NOT grumble about what I get in return for my hard work?

NO, I do not agree with longtime employees being bumped aside for shifts they want and days off or salary. But I think new hires and senior staff deserve equal parts of the pie. I have been "told" what break to take, had a patient assignment changed, and even had the comfy chair snatched when I got up - just because someone felt "seniority oughtta count for something". I'm entitled to equality, even as a new nurse. You want to be "recognized" for your seniority, fine - but lets think of ways that it can be done without crunching the toes of the new nurses, who are desperately needed in most places. And while we're at it, lets think of ways to recruit new nurses without walking all over loyal employees that have been there for years. But nobody should be pandered to - there are very few "perfect" jobs out there.

I agree with people who are saying that it is not the fault of the newbies for getting the golden eggs - It is management, and the general way the "system" is set up. It is about workplace culture, about mutual respect and professionals caring for each other.

I think that the way to reward longtime staff is NOT through preferential treatment - nor is this the way to lure and keep new staff. Yes, if you have big sign-on bonuses and offer good vacations, etc, you'll get more new people biting at the apple. But will they stay? No. The way to keep everybody happy is to provide a good, safe, happy work environment. You might not get an influx of new staff right away, but word will travel - and more people will stay. How many wards have a stable core of "senior" staff, and an ever-changing revolving door of new staff?

I'm going to be brutally honest here so please bear with me.

Nothing bugs me more than to hear stories like I'm going to tell, and I hear them way too often. A new grad will be coming onto the unit...and we all have to train him/support him. He NEVER works weekends, he NEVER works holidays, NEVER works extra and has a perfect set schedule every week of HIS choosing..... and he is making only a buck or so less an hour than me who has to follow behind him to make sure he's not harming someone (and he did).

I don't mean to be *****y here, but do ya'll get my drift? The rest of us STAFF THE UNIT ......around 'his' demands which are met. Yeah, management did it...but any wonder we don't love the guy?? (or our management team?)

I'm just a starting student nurse and ai wanted to tell something to the senior nurse after reading this thread... It seems that you guys are "not" taking care of YOURSELVES the way the the younger ones are... Nowadays nursing is a very moving and changing profession specially with the shortage... You guys don't get it: Loyalty does not work for management and you have said it countless times... Move on! I'm not saying to drop your jobs I'm just saying to look for better opportunities... If the new hires can get them, then be the new hire next time... Management has been taken on by the new hires and I think that the senior nurses (if they would let mgmt know) willl get more than the new hires... Geez who do you think trains the new ones: YOU GUYS.

I think benefits are why employers want to rid themselves of older employees. Insurance premiums are higher for older workers. I see this in other professions too.

Anyone have comments on a RN being bumped off her floor because of a new LPN hire? They want me to float along with 3 others. I feel this is very unfair.Too many FT now so I'm supposed to go to diff floors I know nothing about. I have to stand up for myself on this one. going to see DON soon. I'm actually thinking of looking elsewhere if this isn't resolved in a fair matter. Mgt. also has made negative comments that we lack leadership...just because we get along with the cna's. This is a LTC facility. Give me some input please, what would you do in this situation?

Specializes in Everything except surgery.
Originally posted by nell

I agree, ageless. Not being allowed to talk about salaries allows manipulation by management. I'm so glad we have a union at my hospital: not one of the big ones, but our own, run by us. Takes more work, but everything is as fair as possible. Our salaries are in our contract - everyone knows what everyone else is making if they know the step they're on. Floating, being cancelled due to low census, holidays - everything is spelled out - everything is above board. And Mandatory OT has been outlawed for years :)! [/quote

nell...umm

That maybe the way it is where you are...but believe me...having a union doesn't means you know what someone else is making. I came into a union setting as a perm employe...(for a very short time), while trying to get a contract in a certain area. I negotiated with the nurse manager via email for several months...and was able to get well over the amount I was supposed to have been hired in at. It was supposed to not be do able...but I did it...and later found out I wasn't the only one either! Now there was a contract...written out in the union handbook...that spelled out exactly how much they could hire someone in for....but....I felt the amount was way too low...and refused to take the position unless they offered me more. I agree...whatever you can get...get it! :cool:

Specializes in Med/Surg/Ortho/HH/Radiology-Now Retired.

I think it's high time we, "old" & "young", alike, began to respect each other more. Walk together & talk together & eventually, we'll come to understand each other & respect each other. The patients will be the "winners". I feel SO sad after reading all these posts. We'd heard about this "new hire" business of paying bonuses etc over there, but it's just unbelievable!! I'm in the Australian Nurses Federation (union) & wouldn't work without being in it!...I've been nursing for 34 years & am becoming increasingly disillusioned with a career that I've loved & gained so much from. Given a lot to as well!...

I don't profess to know all the answers, but I honestly think we need a return to hospital based training where us "older" / more experienced, nurses assist in the training & mentoring of the new nurse.

As for the attitude of the "younger" generation, I find it partly due to them being told at an early age;

"you have rights". But... they're not taught that with "rights', comes responsibility!!...Overall, society has sunk to a new low & politeness has been thrown out the window. The movies has a lot to answer for, as do how some parents raise, (or don't raise), their children. Parents have had their rights taken from them & so, children rule the roost a lot of the time. This is evident in the way some younger members of the nursing profession behave. There's just NO respect. Many people become nurses for the wrong reasons, hence my post in another thread saying that we need to have a selection process, not just a certain high school result, in order to be able to train as a nurse. We need careful selection of people, not just anyone should be able to train as a nurse. It needs more than a university degree!!...The fact there's a shortage of nurses shouldn't sanction lowering the standard!!...The fact your managements over there are bowing to pressures from newer nurses & giving in to their demands, is something to be concerned about. While you have to admire the younger ones for not tolerating what we older nurses have put up with over the years, we can't have them dictating the terms of engagement & future directions of the nursing profession workforce. This is where unions are so beneficial. It's the members, ALL members, who set the pace.

As I said, I don't have all the answers. I just feel it's a sad state the nursing profession is in. No wonder many of us are leaving or contemplating leaving. The profession is losing not only experienced nurses, but also novice nurses who, with experience, would become excellent nurses.

Sending you all my best wishes from Down Under...

Cheers,

Grace.

Oh please, its the same said over and over, Why is it the new people always seem to get what they want!!!!

Why because the rest of us, have been taught that you put your time in, gain the experience you need and never, never complain!

Well maybe its time you take, a cue from the new people who expect more and get more!!!!!!

Yes even I have thought about Unions, but I work in a private hospital and it wouldnt help me at all.

The problem is and has always been, nurses need to think themselves as proffessionals and not has a labor force.

We need to start thinking as one voice!

Specializes in LTC/Peds/ICU/PACU/CDI.
originally posted by mattsmom81

actually, this may be part of why older nurses are accused of eating their young.... is the bar is being lowered because of the 'nursing shortage'? i would say yes, ime, buany of t i also don't feel schools are doing enough to prepare the student nurses. ...

i'm finding that some of my fellow classmates have an attitude of...just show me what i need to know in order to pass your class & the nclex-rn in order to get a nursing job :rolleyes:. these people are just interested in learning the teaching styles of the instructors & how to pass their tests. they really aren't interested in learning, in depth, the what's, why's, & how's of pathophysiology, pharmacology, & nursing fundamentals...& are :eek: shocked & surprised when they don't do well...especially when one instructor leaves & another takes over & goes from multiple choice to essay style exams :p. many students get upset & feel that's not right, but they fail to realize that by this level of education, one must be flexible enough to roll with the changes. we had an instructor once tell us that we're just being spoon fed & that she was going to change all of that. well you can only imagine the amount of students whining to the bsn undergraduate chair!!! guess what happened, the new instructor was told to keep the lectures & exams the same as the previous instructor & that she could only make changes for the students in the following year class. there's no wonder why some newbie's get whatever they want after getting hired...they've received sooo much experience at it while still in nursing school...& i'm sure that this isn't just limited to my school program either. again, this is only those students who don't want to earn anything & want things to be handed to them.

here's another example i'll share that occurred at my school. eighty percent of both the day & evening bsn student combined didn't pass their first exam in the critical care course sometime in april of this year. the understanding was that there were supposed to be only two exams & both had to be passed by 70%. enough of those students convinced the bsn undergraduate chair to make the instructor drop ten exam questions in order for everyone to pass the first test....otherwise, there would be too many people repeating this one course & the graduating class would shrink tremendously. the instructor was also persuaded to ease-up on the second exam as this was only the second year that this particular course was instituted at this particular bsn program. it just wouldn't look good for the school if too many students fail so close to graduation. i feel that this is unfair to sooo many other students who also have failed due to poor test scores & aren't given the luxury of having test questions thrown-out; as well as those students who fail a subject not because of failing tests, but due to a paper not meeting certain criteria & aren't given any opportunities to redeem themselves. but i guess that's another thread topic.

worse yet, there are a few nursing students (females) that still have those tired old :uhoh21: fantasies that if they become nurses, they'll met & marry a doctor...& once married, they'll only do nursing per-diem....like those appliances nurses from years ago (these nurses would work enough to save-up for new appliances as needed)...their hearts aren't really into doing nursing...they're just interested in what that image symbolizes for them.

in my travels in the reserve & going to my clinical sites, i've come across more rude & nasty young nurses than rude/nasty older nurses. many of these young rude nurses really believe that they're god's gift to the world & that everyone owes them something :angryfire.

:chair: now for clarification, i'm only speaking of those rude young nurses that i've observed...this only a fact in my experiences.

yea, nurses do eat their young, but many that are doing the eating are also the young ones!!!

i currently work in a unionized ltc county-own facility & i also see special treatment for some newbie's; but i mainly see special, in some cases, unfair treatment for those "seasoned nurses" as well.

vacations, floating holidays, & personal days are awarded by seniority, as it should be, but there are some that take advantage of this system.

it is standard that those with more seniority pick which summer & winter holidays they want off, i.e. christmas eve (11p-7am) or new years (11p-7am).

well, the charge nurse who had been here for 19 years at that time, wanted christmas off. i agreed, being second charge nurse (having only worked there for 2 years at that time) & choose new year's eve off. well the first charge nurse also put-in for new years eve as a personal day because her daughter needed her to baby-sit for her. so then i'm suppose to say ok...i think not. well, we had to go through a grievance procedure & i got new years' eve off because that was the deal. she picked her winter holiday of choice, christmas, & i should automatically get the other one off.

as a result of that incident, this particular charge nurse, as well as some other "seasoned nurses" started putting-in for their four-week vacations the week before christmas & it would last until the second week of january, well after new years...out of spite. the newbie's were then & still now are told that the two weeks prior to & after christmas & after new years are off limits because only certain "seasoned nurses" were, are given these time periods. the same is happening around memorial day, 4th of july, & labor day holidays.

well i personally think that it would be more fair to go down the seniority list & let people take turns, each year, at being able to get premium time-off...imo. i personally don't care about the summer months because i have to do a two week annual training period in the army reserve (this is in no a vacation mind you - but it sometimes feel like one because i'm away from that place...lol). i never know when i'll go, but it usually happens anytime between march & september of each year.

unions can work as long as the representatives aren't "in bed" with the administrators...i find that whenever they're, you, as an employee can get the short-end of things.

"New hires" at my facility get special treatment no matter if they are an experienced nurse or a new grad. I try to do my job, be available answer questions, and keep a positive attitude. WHY?Because patients need care and that is the primary reason I'm there. I'm from the old school and "just roll up my sleeves and do it" to get the job done and the patients needs met. When I am out of this rat race in another 5 years I plan on being the patient everybody hates to see coming to the floor. Everybody and anything will be fair game for a complaint and administration will be addressing my complaints seriously. Why, because I have learned the value of a law suit. Sorry, if I upset some of the other readers but I just don't care about that. I am being bluntly truthful. Nursing today is in the pits and it will not be pulling out in my lifetime. See you on the next shift! icie rn

My hospital ICU prefers LVN's over RN's if they have critical care experience because they are less expensive. Of course, they can't do charge due to policy so at least one of us have to be on duty...

All I care about is are they REALLY critical care nurses and will they pull their weight. Don't care if they're LVN's... I was one first, and I've worked with many SUPER LPN's/LVN's.

We shouldn't be surprised that the suits want and cater to LVN's because of $$$, isn't that always their bottom line...money??? :(

Specializes in Med-Surg Nursing.

Our hospital hired LPN's back into the acute care setting to help alleviate the nursing shortage. Well, what's happening is that RN's aren't getting their hours that they were hired to work in order to allow an LPN to work additional hours and overtime. Our Union had filed a class action suit against the hospital over this! LPN's aren't a part of the union so they have no seniority and of course the hospital is gonna work an LPN over an RN cause it's cheaper. The LPN's that they've hired are excellent clinically it's not fair!

On a different note, I'm a newbie in my ICU and have been treated like crap by the old timer night shift staff. They have worked there for over 10 years and don't take well to new people. Not one of them has "taken me under their wing" to show me the ropes of Critical Care and let me tell you I am ready to quit!! Se my thread "bad Evaluation"

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