Patient's Suicide

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I read something in the newspaper tonight that just makes me sick at heart........an elderly gentleman I took care of for three days last weekend was found dead at his home, apparently the victim of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

The worst part is, I knew he was in danger, because one night he told me how he was thinking of "checking out". Then he began talking lovingly of his wife, and how proud he was of his four grown children, and about his faith in God. At the end of this conversation, we both agreed that he had a lot to live for, and that he ought to see what his upcoming lung biopsy said about his prospects. The very next day, his mood was much improved, and he practically raced me up and down the hall during our ambulation sessions, trailing grandchildren and IV tubing, and grinning the whole way.

I did make a note of this exchange in the patient's chart and a referral to the discharge planner, but he was so cheerful for the rest of the time he was in the hospital I figured he'd resolved his issues. Then last night at work, somebody mentioned that his name was in the death notices section of the newspaper........and while I immediately suspected it wasn't the cancer that got him, I prayed that he hadn't killed himself. And now, tonight's paper reports that he had "recently received a diagnosis of terminal cancer, giving him only weeks to live".

Ah, the guilt........I guess I *shouldn't* take any responsibility for this, but damn, the man TOLD me he'd been thinking about suicide, and then he went and did it. I feel like I should have done more than make a progress note and put a request in to the social worker to see him.......I knew even before the biopsy that the news would probably NOT be good.......but what else could I have done? This was an alert, oriented 80-year-old man who did things his own way, and he was determined that whatever happened to him, he was going to be in control of it.

And so he was.........I just wish I hadn't been fooled by his appearance of having worked through his feelings, and that I HAD been more aggressive about getting some help for him. I realize I'm not the only nurse who cared for him, nor am I probably the only person he shared his fears with; and who knows, maybe it was the diagnosis itself that tipped him over the edge.........or maybe what I saw the next day after our talk was just the calm before the storm, the sense of peace and relief that come when a man's mind is made up.

I guess I'll never know. :o

Specializes in Behavioral Health.

My thoughts are with you. When I worked in a long-term psych facility I had a very young (39 y.o.) Parkinson's patient kill herself. She was psychotic at times...very paranoid as well. She hadn't gotten out of bed in days, so I help her up and got her into the shower myself...she was very combative with the CNA's because they were always pushing her to move "faster". Then I sat there (even though I didn't have the time) and fed her. She hadn't eaten in days and they were starting to toss around the idea of feeding tubes, etc....

I went off shift at 4 p.m....stopped into her room before I left and told her that I was proud of her for getting up today and that I would see her tomorrow.

At 8 p.m. I got the call that they found her dead...

I thought, did I give her the strength and energy to do what she did. I still think about her sometimes. She was so young...I saw pictures of her just 10 yrs. prior....so vibrant and beautiful. She married just before finding out her diagnosis. They never had children. He stood by her, but it got to the point that he couldn't care for her anymore. She was deteorating rapidly. On more than one occassion she spoke about not having control over her own life anymore. I guess in retrospect she had a lot more control than she realized.....

Sorry for rambling....just wanted to let you know that I've been there and my thoughts are with you...

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.

Thanks, everyone, for the kind and comforting words. I know in my heart that I couldn't have done anything to save this man......and save him from what?? A few more weeks of pain and misery? A few more weeks to contemplate his imminent death? This was a man who had seen some of the worst life has to offer, having been on a battleship in WWII and Korea, and I guess he didn't have a lot to fear from a quick GSW to the head.....but I can imagine how he must have feared lingering, in pain and out of control of his own functions, for days or weeks on end.

One thing's for sure.......this is a patient I won't forget soon, and a life lesson that will stay with me until my own dying day.

Specializes in HIV/AIDS, Dementia, Psych.
:o How sad...I'm sorry that this happened. You are not to blame, so never think that way. Suicide is very painful for those it leaves in it's wake. My thoughts and prayers are with you and this man...
Specializes in Critical Care.

You never know anything for sure. This man did what he wanted to do. I'm sure he wouldn't want you to spend the rest of your life feeling guilty so don't. When you think of him always remember HE made his choice and follwed through, not You.

Noney

Originally posted by mjlrn97

The very next day, his mood was much improved, and he practically raced me up and down the hall during our ambulation sessions, trailing grandchildren and IV tubing, and grinning the whole way.

mjlrn97 please don't feel guilty about anything you did for this man. In fact, I'd like to shake your hand, and I think you should deservingly so give yourself an atta boy and a pat on the back as well. You took an alert, orientated, lucid man who was depressed and scared you listened to him and you made him smile and laugh if only for a day.

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.

I appreciate your kind words, my friends........I'm doing OK now, I've had a chance to vent here and with my family, and in retrospect I realize that I probably wouldn't have done a single thing differently, not knowing what the outcome was to be. Even if I had known, and even if I'd gotten someone to intervene, I don't think anything could have stopped him. This gentleman was the product of his times, he had seen terrible things, and the only thing I think he was afraid of was losing control.....of his pain, of his dignity, even of his life.

I'm glad I was able to be there for him, though, even though I really didn't do much for him except give him his pain medication and listen to him. You know how some people come into our lives and stay for only moments, and yet they leave a lasting impression.........well, this man was one of them. I hope that he's found peace, wherever he is.

Specializes in ORTHOPAEDICS-CERTIFIED SINCE 89.

Reading this has brought back my husband's uncle's decision to end his own life. A proud farmer he was diagnosed with SLE. He lost his health, his farm, his home and his reason for living.

He came over to my in laws and was in the best mood we had ever seen him. No disparaging remarks, no smoking, just a new and improved outlook. His wife with terminal lung cancer said he was the happiest she had seen him in a long time. We had supper and then Aunt ___ and Uncle ____ went home.

Later Aunt _____ said he took off his glasses, his watch and wedding ring and laid them on the table. He said he was going out on the porch to watch the sunset. What he didn't say was he was taking his shotgun.

For him this was the answer....it left questions at the time and soon thereafter Aunt____ took a walk in the winter time and sat down and died.

It has taken a long time for his children to reconcile themselves to this. I don't know if I ever have.

My point in this rambling post isthis I guess, that you had a wonderful interaction with this "young man." There is nothing you could have done or said to obtain a different outcome. With you that day he was happy.

We can only account for ourselves and not for the actions of others. You were and are a good nurse.

This was a brave man. It truly sounds like he was at peace with the decision he made. Rather than wither away completely he still had some say in his life and you shouldn't feel guilty at all. Death is part of the human condition and we all die alone, you nor anyone else had any role in preventing something that personal.

Specializes in ER, Occupational Health, Cardiology.

mjlrn97, you sound as though you are a very compassionate nurse, and i can't think of anything else that you could've done except possibly alert the md. your pt's demeanor when he was so jocular was most likely either due to the fact that, temporarily, he had put his decision behind him and that he was enjoying life as much as he was able, or that he had made his decision, and was relieved and comfortable, knowing what heplanned to do.

when i was a baby er nurse in orientation (many years ago) we received a man via ems that had a 16 inch knife embedded in his abdomen. the knife was stabilized with yards and yards of adhesive tape to the backboard, and the pt was being held down by ems personnel and police as he tried to buck and writhe on the backboard. the reason for the bucking and writhing? he was aao, not drunk, or on drugs. he was a 70-something gentleman in a nice house robe and slippers. it fell to me to hold his feet and legs, and he temporarily subsided as he told the erp that he was a brittle diabetic who had recently been diagnosed with end-stage ca. that morning he told his wife that he was considering killing himself, and that "compassionate" woman told him not to make a mess in the house!:uhoh3::nono: so, being the gentleman that he was, he went out to a corner of the back yard and fell onto the knife, hoping to sever his aorta and bleed out. he did such a good job of it that the knife was embedded in his spine, but had missed his aorta. he was bucking and raring trying to get the edge of the knife to nick his aorta! once he found out that he was going to surgery "to save his life" (so that he could die of cancer) he continued the bucking around while still strapped to the backboard, until he was finally sedated. he was finally taken to surgery, where the knife was extracted surgically, and his life "was saved" for the moment. this greenhorn learned all kinds of things that day, and i still feel conflicted about it.

god bless you for your concern for your pt, but ultimately, it was his decision.

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.

Thank you. I appreciate your caring. What a sad story about your ER patient, though.....I hope he went on to his reward eventually.

I think I ought to point out that this thread is over 3 years old, so these events are long in the past (though not forgotten).

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.

Ooops, I forgot...........thread will now be 'retired'. Thanks to all who posted.

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