Out of nursing program cause i am smoker!!!

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Help, I am at risk of being out of the nursing program because I am a smoker.

I really could use some advise on how to deal with a very unfair instructor. I am a first year PN student and we just started clinicals in Nov. I have an instructor that is absloutely against smoking. Of 18 students in the class only about 6 are not smokers. We were informed that if we as much as smelled of smoke during clinicals we would be docked in our grade.

One day another student and I got busted for smoking. Please no lectures on smoking and how bad it is. I really would like to quit. Anyway, our grade for the day was docked in every area it could. I would be fine with that. What I dont feel is fair is the way the instructor handled it after that.

A few days after the incident the instructor pulled me into her office when no one was around. She flat out asked me if I had smoked, and I said I will not lie, I did. She asked why after knowing her clear views on smoking I would do that, was I just that addicted? I told her yes, it is an addiction. This teacher than asked me about the other student and if she had smoked also. I felt uncomfortable about her asking me about another student, but I admitted she did also. I told her that I was sorry and would make sure it didnt happen again during clinicals. In fact I had just done another clinical the day before and told her in no way did I smoke before or during that clinical. This lovely woman told me that I need to think about what my punishment should be for disobeying her rules. Now remember my grade got docked for smelling of smoke. She also threatened to tell my mother about the incident. My mom works at the college but in a totally unrelated department.

A few days later she pulled me and the other student aside in a public hallway to lecture us and give us our punishment. She stated that we would write a 2 page paper with 2 references on how to quit smoking. Also we would write a 2 page paper on lying. Now I never did lie to her, she asked me if I smoked and I told her yes I did. If I wouldnt have confessed she wouldnt be able to punish us at all. Then to top it off she wants a 3 page paper on patient abandonment. She informed us, this is on the very last day of class before Christmas break, that we will have an incomplete in her class until she recieves these. I feel she is out of line and that she did this in a public hallway is just aweful. She wanted to make an example of us in front of the other students and I feel she handled this poorly.

I am furious. I have read the policies and procedures for the program I am in and nowhere does it say anything about smoking. In fact I dont think she can even assign extra papers because of it. My grade was docked as we were warned would happen. How can she make up extra punishment when I was punished by my grade? How can she make up extra assignments when we were told our grade would be docked. I earned a very hard A in her class. I got a 98% on her final.

Also this woman is a constant overeater and is constantly snacking on candy and other fattening treats. She flat out admits she cant live without candy. Yet she has the balls to judge anyone that smokes. She actually will pick out little things to dock grades on just because someone is a smoker when a nonsmoker can do clearly worse and recieve a better grade. I wrote in a letter to her that her behavior toward me and the other student was rude. In public to degrade us and ask us to write about effects of smoking and lying. How would she like it if she was asked to write about her eating habits and lack of exercise and how her fat butt is bad for her health? She can walk around with a jelly donut in her fat hand, but god forbid she smells smoke on a student.

She called me at home tonight to inform me that if she does not have these papers in hand by Weds of this week she will not let me continue in the program. I am considering taking her actions to her superiors and filing a greivance with the college regarding my grade.

Is it fair for a teacher to withhold your grade because of something like this? I have wrote her a letter pointing out how unfair it is and that I will not write extra papers for being a smoker. I admited to her I was wrong to smoke during a clinical, and said it will not happen again. My grade for that day was lowered because of it. I expect the grade I earned for the semester. I completed her course and than on the last day she throws 3 papers at me as a punishment!!!

I wrote her a letter that I expect the grade I earned and will not be treated like a child and will go to the board if she follows through on her threat. I feel I should add I am a president and deans list student. I have a print out of the points in her class and have earned a 96% fair and square. The class is over and I have an incomplete at the time deans and presidents list are being made, so she has taken that from me.

Please no lectures about smoking, if i could just quit I would. I want to know if her behavior is even justifiable? What are my legal options in this?

I have already clearly stated this will not be an issue anymore. I will not smoke on the morning before clinicals or during. Please quit be so self-rightous and calling me immature. I have also stated I am writing the papers. Please read all of the post before commenting.

I am not angry because I got caught. I am upset that she made up extra punishment after the incident. I am upset that I paid almost 3,000 for that one semester of school and she could threaten all my hardwork over her principles. Just my books for last semester were $886. I am a dean's list student. I have earned a 96% in her class. I am upset because I am a responsible student and she has taken this one incident and made a huge stink over it. Even mentioning telling on me to my mother should be punishable. I am 30 years old with 3 children of my own. I don't need stupid threats like that.

Yeah, you can throw in my face all the students that didn't get into the program and I did. I also went to school for all prerequisets getting straight A's and making the presidents list. I spent over $8,000 going to school last year and it will be another 20,000 or so before I am done. I earned my spot in the program.

I really dont want to hear anymore stories of how people are allergic to the smell of smoke. I am a respectful smoker and dont do it around nonsmokers. The state I live in resticts all smoking inside public buildings except bars where you have to be over 21 and it is posted on the door that it is a smoking building. Even the hospital here has a back area semi-sheltered for smokers on their breaks. This is not an issue at these places if I was an employee, only an issue with her.

Personally I feel I should be able to smoke in the morning before I am on her time. Don't worry, I won't. What it comes down to is she doesnt want anyone that smokes to be a nurse.

I can understand that many nonsmokers don't like the smell of smoke at all. I don't like the smell of many purfumes. However I am nice enough to keep my mouth shut when I run into someone with strong purfume or body odor. I am also nice enough to not comment on the fatty eating a big mac or going through the buffet for the 3rd time. Why is it society is willing to allow open season on smokers? Everyone has their vice in life. If you say you don't you are either insane or lying. I don't care what people's vices are: smoking, drinking, caffeine, junk food, overeating, not exercising, chewing tobacco, biting fingernails and the tons of other bad habits there are out there. If everyone got bashed like smokers do there would be a riot going on.

Being a smoker is not something that should disqualify you to be in healthcare. I really don't care that there are now laws about not smoking in public places. That is fine and I understand why. What I have a problem with is societies smoker bashing. What I do at my own home, in my car, or on campus in a smoking allowed area should be my own business. In case no one has noticed the anti-smoking laws and high taxes have not got smokers to quit. Smoking is not illegal. When they make smoking illegal then they better shut down McDonalds and all other fast food. Could you non-smokers please lighten up a little?

When you give up even one freedom to better society, you deserve to have none. Ben Franklin

Here's the thing... since the instructor is employed by the school she has to follow the rules of the school. This really isn't a matter of opinion, its a matter of policy and fact. If the teacher doesn't like smoke she should follow the proper channels and get that policy put into effect.

Write the papers, file a grievience...... but do so with your lawyer. I am tired of nurses acting this way towards people who a coming into the profession. You know if we fired all the nurses who smoke at my company we would have hundreds of patients uncared for. I could care less who your are or what your title is. You don't have to like people who smoke, but you will give them RESPECT.

Specializes in Peds ER.
You broke the rules that THIS instructor established and that you knew were established. Doesn't matter if there is a written policy and it doesn't matter if you appeal. You haven't been dropped from the program yet, so my advice is to STOP trying to lash out and do what it takes to protect your position.

Write the papers, suck it up and put on a smile, and don't smoke again around clinicals.

You have to pick your battles. You just can't stand toe to toe with this instructor, no matter how angry you are, no matter how many letters you write, no matter how many complaints you file.

Obviously you are angry and/or upset about the situation. It comes down to this: are those emotions and the need to vindicate yourself more important than finishing school? If so, go for it with reckless abandon and afterwards, figure out what non-nursing job you want to do with your life. If nursing is more important than venting your anger, then DO WHAT IT TAKES TO STAY IN THE PROGRAM.

It's that simple.

It's the two rules of college: 1. The instructor is always right, 2. If you want to pass, see rule #1.

~faith,

Timothy.

Are you serious? This attitude is a prime example of why nurses are underpaid, overworked, and crapped on daily. Just plain old complacency and an attitude of, why bother fighting when I know I won't win. The instructor is not always right. The OP has the absolute right to file a greivance with this instructor. She is not only unprofessional, but possibly in need of some psychiatric counseling on her obvious power struggle. Why should she lie down just because she's a student? She broke a rule by smoking, she owned up to it and apologized. She doesn't need to be chastized and made a fool of because of it. I don't understand why nursing students suddenly forfeit all of their rights because of their need to get through school.

I'm shocked at the indifferent attitude of the responses the OP has gotten. I would be willing to bet that if the rule broken wasn't smoking, she would have had much more positive responses. I hope the OP stands her ground and continues to take her concerns up the chain of command. If it is not a written policy I don't see how she has a leg to stand on. Make sure you include her threats about telling your mom, that's definitely professional coming from a nursing instructor.

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.
I have already clearly stated this will not be an issue anymore. I will not smoke on the morning before clinicals or during. Please quit be so self-rightous and calling me immature. I have also stated I am writing the papers. Please read all of the post before commenting.

I am not angry because I got caught. I am upset that she made up extra punishment after the incident. I am upset that I paid almost 3,000 for that one semester of school and she could threaten all my hardwork over her principles. Just my books for last semester were $886. I am a dean's list student. I have earned a 96% in her class. I am upset because I am a responsible student and she has taken this one incident and made a huge stink over it. Even mentioning telling on me to my mother should be punishable. I am 30 years old with 3 children of my own. I don't need stupid threats like that.

Yeah, you can throw in my face all the students that didn't get into the program and I did. I also went to school for all prerequisets getting straight A's and making the presidents list. I spent over $8,000 going to school last year and it will be another 20,000 or so before I am done. I earned my spot in the program.

I really dont want to hear anymore stories of how people are allergic to the smell of smoke. I am a respectful smoker and dont do it around nonsmokers. The state I live in resticts all smoking inside public buildings except bars where you have to be over 21 and it is posted on the door that it is a smoking building. Even the hospital here has a back area semi-sheltered for smokers on their breaks. This is not an issue at these places if I was an employee, only an issue with her.

Personally I feel I should be able to smoke in the morning before I am on her time. Don't worry, I won't. What it comes down to is she doesnt want anyone that smokes to be a nurse.

I can understand that many nonsmokers don't like the smell of smoke at all. I don't like the smell of many purfumes. However I am nice enough to keep my mouth shut when I run into someone with strong purfume or body odor. I am also nice enough to not comment on the fatty eating a big mac or going through the buffet for the 3rd time. Why is it society is willing to allow open season on smokers? Everyone has their vice in life. If you say you don't you are either insane or lying. I don't care what people's vices are: smoking, drinking, caffeine, junk food, overeating, not exercising, chewing tobacco, biting fingernails and the tons of other bad habits there are out there. If everyone got bashed like smokers do there would be a riot going on.

Being a smoker is not something that should disqualify you to be in healthcare. I really don't care that there are now laws about not smoking in public places. That is fine and I understand why. What I have a problem with is societies smoker bashing. What I do at my own home, in my car, or on campus in a smoking allowed area should be my own business. In case no one has noticed the anti-smoking laws and high taxes have not got smokers to quit. Smoking is not illegal. When they make smoking illegal then they better shut down McDonalds and all other fast food. Could you non-smokers please lighten up a little?

When you give up even one freedom to better society, you deserve to have none. Ben Franklin

Sounds like a case of pick-on-them-don't-pick-on-me now.

I don't see this thread having much of a shelf life since the (self-righteous and unecessary) usage of the word "fatty.":trout: Not to mention the comparison of bad food and smoking is, well i'll be dipped, apples and oranges. :lol2:

One person a few pages ago said I should just quit. If it was really that easy dont you think I would? No I really like being ridiculed by people that have no idea what it is like to try to quit something you are addicted to. I would love to quit. It is not that simple. If you have never smoked, please dont tell anyone oh just quit. I know there are lots of nurses out there that have found a way to quit. What works for one person doesnt always work for another.

Thank you RobCPhT. Can we please stick to the issue at hand. The bully of a teacher. I have decided to write the papers dont tell me to suck it up and write them. Mavis please I have heard enough. You clearly dont get the issue here. Not boo hoo I had to get up at 5:30 I had to leave town at 5:30 meaning I had to be up by 4am to shuffle kids around. I could care less about getting up early its that we did a 12 hr day in place of a 4 hour class and than got treated like children cause we picked a day she didnt like. This woman hates anything that doesnt go her way.

It has been interesting to hear of all the places where smoking is not even allowed on the property. No place here is that strict. Its also good to hear I am not the only person with a tyrant of an instructor.

People please I have admitted I mess up. Please quit throwing it in my face and focus on the issues at hand.

Specializes in cardiac.
Sounds like a case of pick-on-them-don't-pick-on-me now.

I don't see this thread having much of a shelf life since the (self-righteous and unecessary) usage of the word "fatty.":trout: Not to mention the comparison of bad food and smoking is, well i'll be dipped, apples and oranges. :lol2:

:roll :roll :roll :roll TOO FUNNY.....

Specializes in Oncology/Haemetology/HIV.
Sounds like a case of pick-on-them-don't-pick-on-me now.

I don't see this thread having much of a shelf life since the (self-righteous and unecessary) usage of the word "fatty.":trout: Not to mention the comparison of bad food and smoking is, well i'll be dipped, apples and oranges. :lol2:

I agree with both of these points.

I am not saying pick on them not me. I have many of the other bad habits listed above. However I only get ridiculed over the smoking. I have seen others get ridiculed over other habits by those that think they are so much better than everyone else. The issue at hand is not smoking, it is abuse of power. If you cant stay on track there is a red X at the top of the page to close the window.

misstaz, I'd just like to point out something that has been repeated by several different posters, and which you don't seem to have picked up on yet. I think it's really important that you understand it.

It's not that non-smokers don't LIKE the smell of smoke on someone's clothing, it's that some of us are so allergic to it, it can seriously harm our health. One poster mentioned having seen TWO different patients go into respiratory arrest due to being exposed to strong odours. In the one case, it was perfume that caused the problem, not smoke. (I am also very allergic to certain perfumes, and the same rules need to apply to them in hospitals as to cigarette smoke.)

No matter which way you slice it, as a nurse, our patient's health and well being has to be the number one priority.

As for the instructor, well, I've said my piece elsewhere. Stand up for your rights, and don't back down. This instructor's behaviour is very unprofessional. And this is coming from a former teacher! You DO NOT criticize a student in public. You DO NOT threaten to tell a 33 year old woman's mother about her smoking.

Thanks Jay-Jay. I understand how people are allergic and have stated this will not happen again. When I am in the clinical area or at a hospital working I will not smell of smoke, well to the best of my ability, by not smoking in car on way there, or having a cigarette outside just before going in, etc..

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.
I am not saying pick on them not me. I have many of the other bad habits listed above. However I only get ridiculed over the smoking. I have seen others get ridiculed over other habits by those that think they are so much better than everyone else. The issue at hand is not smoking, it is abuse of power. If you cant stay on track there is a red X at the top of the page to close the window.

Sorry but the irony of someone saying they are ridiculed for smoking, then turning around and referring to someone who's eating unhealthy food as a "fatty" wasn't missed.

Point being, perhaps the way a person feels about being ridiculed for smoking could very well be the same feelings that a person may have for being referred to as "fatty" for poor food choices. No, not the OT of the thread, BUT, something to think about nonetheless.

In case you missed the sentence before I said I don't ridicule overweight people. Many people do even if they dont say it, it is in the way they are looked at or treated. People can be very mean. I think it is ironic that someone clearly overweight can harp about the effects of smoking on a smoker and not expect someone to say something about weight and health. But than maybe that is why an overweight nonsmoker would pick on a smoker, its something they have got their whole life and its an issue they can throw in someone else's face.

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