Out of nursing program cause i am smoker!!! - page 9

Help, I am at risk of being out of the nursing program because I am a smoker. I really could use some advise on how to deal with a very unfair instructor. I am a first year PN student and we... Read More

  1. by   Jay-Jay
    misstaz, I'd just like to point out something that has been repeated by several different posters, and which you don't seem to have picked up on yet. I think it's really important that you understand it.

    It's not that non-smokers don't LIKE the smell of smoke on someone's clothing, it's that some of us are so allergic to it, it can seriously harm our health. One poster mentioned having seen TWO different patients go into respiratory arrest due to being exposed to strong odours. In the one case, it was perfume that caused the problem, not smoke. (I am also very allergic to certain perfumes, and the same rules need to apply to them in hospitals as to cigarette smoke.)

    No matter which way you slice it, as a nurse, our patient's health and well being has to be the number one priority.

    As for the instructor, well, I've said my piece elsewhere. Stand up for your rights, and don't back down. This instructor's behaviour is very unprofessional. And this is coming from a former teacher! You DO NOT criticize a student in public. You DO NOT threaten to tell a 33 year old woman's mother about her smoking.
  2. by   misstaz25
    Thanks Jay-Jay. I understand how people are allergic and have stated this will not happen again. When I am in the clinical area or at a hospital working I will not smell of smoke, well to the best of my ability, by not smoking in car on way there, or having a cigarette outside just before going in, etc..
  3. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from misstaz25
    I am not saying pick on them not me. I have many of the other bad habits listed above. However I only get ridiculed over the smoking. I have seen others get ridiculed over other habits by those that think they are so much better than everyone else. The issue at hand is not smoking, it is abuse of power. If you cant stay on track there is a red X at the top of the page to close the window.
    Sorry but the irony of someone saying they are ridiculed for smoking, then turning around and referring to someone who's eating unhealthy food as a "fatty" wasn't missed.

    Point being, perhaps the way a person feels about being ridiculed for smoking could very well be the same feelings that a person may have for being referred to as "fatty" for poor food choices. No, not the OT of the thread, BUT, something to think about nonetheless.:spin:
  4. by   misstaz25
    In case you missed the sentence before I said I don't ridicule overweight people. Many people do even if they dont say it, it is in the way they are looked at or treated. People can be very mean. I think it is ironic that someone clearly overweight can harp about the effects of smoking on a smoker and not expect someone to say something about weight and health. But than maybe that is why an overweight nonsmoker would pick on a smoker, its something they have got their whole life and its an issue they can throw in someone else's face.
  5. by   lorster
    I am not a smoker, never have and don't know a lot of people who are smokers. I don't like the smell of it. I will say that I have taken care of many many smokers. And they reek. That said, are we going to start telling patients we can't take care of them because they smoke? Where do we draw the line? Sure, professionals should not smoke, overeat, do drugs, drink alcohol, jump out of planes, ski off cliffs, climb mountains...but do we not allow them to work beside us because they do one or more of these things? If the school policy states no smoking around clinicals, then don't. But the school cannot dictate what we do outside of that.
  6. by   Jay-Jay
    Quote from Marie
    Sounds like a case of pick-on-them-don't-pick-on-me now.

    I don't see this thread having much of a shelf life since the (self-righteous and unecessary) usage of the word "fatty." Not to mention the comparison of bad food and smoking is, well i'll be dipped, apples and oranges.
    Could we stick to the original issue, please, and steer clear of any personal attacks?

    I don't want Marie's post about the life of this thread to be a self-fulfilling prophecy!
    Last edit by Jay-Jay on Jan 9, '07
  7. by   mamason
    Quote from misstaz25
    I am not saying pick on them not me. I have many of the other bad habits listed above. However I only get ridiculed over the smoking. I have seen others get ridiculed over other habits by those that think they are so much better than everyone else. The issue at hand is not smoking, it is abuse of power. If you cant stay on track there is a red X at the top of the page to close the window.
    I really don't think that there is an issue with "abuse of power" here. You stated in your original post that the instructor informed you {meaning you and the other students} that if you smelled of smoke, during clinicals, that your grade would be docked. And, well, I guess you smelled of smoke from smoking. So you got busted. Am I right? If so, write the papers and be done with it. Or, create a stink about it and set yourself up for one miserable ride in nursing school. Good luck in whatever you choose to do.
  8. by   Ms.RN
    oh my god, this is such a &^%%$!@#. who is she to make this childish rule? why do you have to follow this rule? what does smoking have anything to do with her clinical performance? yes, if there is an evidence that student is under the influence of alcohol or drug, then student should be expelled from nursing school. but smoking? does this instructor have 100% healthy lifestyle? does she eat healthy? does she exercise? student's performance should be based on "performance", not based on her childish rule. instructors should get rid of this "i'm a god" complex. i suggest you to talk to the dean of the nursing program, then the president of the college.
    Last edit by rn/writer on Jan 9, '07
  9. by   lorster
    Quote from mamason
    I really don't think that there is an issue with "abuse of power" here. You stated in your original post that the instructor informed you {meaning you and the other students} that if you smelled of smoke, during clinicals, that your grade would be docked. And, well, I guess you smelled of smoke from smoking. So you got busted. Am I right? If so, write the papers and be done with it. Or, create a stink about it and set yourself up for one miserable ride in nursing school. Good luck in whatever you choose to do.
    Well Mstazz, mamason has risin in the ranks because she chooses to stand in line. You however will get nowhere in this profession because you abuse your rights as a citizen to question authority. See where this is going?
  10. by   morte
    Quote from mamason
    I really don't think that there is an issue with "abuse of power" here. You stated in your original post that the instructor informed you {meaning you and the other students} that if you smelled of smoke, during clinicals, that your grade would be docked. And, well, I guess you smelled of smoke from smoking. So you got busted. Am I right? If so, write the papers and be done with it. Or, create a stink about it and set yourself up for one miserable ride in nursing school. Good luck in whatever you choose to do.
    this post, amongst many, make it obvious that MANY persons ARE NOT reading the whole OP... ......remember, in nursing, we need to take ALL the facts....and form an opinion/dx/plan.....ALLLLL of the facts.....this student has accepted her punishment....even had the sense to write a letter to vent her feelings and then throw it away.....she has been bullied, plan and simple.....is this why we are gettng new nurses who CANT accept responsiblity for errors, because they have been brow beaten by a........ like this one instructor? so that they cant ever be wrong?...and some one in this thread made an observation that i had earlier....and hardily agree with, this instructor needs psychiatric attention.....
    PLEASE, if you are not going to READ the whole presentation, dont bother answering......
  11. by   burn out
    The real problem that I see (after reading the whole presentation) is that this girl has a monkey on her back and it is not the instructor. The problem is that smoking controls this girl to the point that she is willing to get kicked out of nursing school... just to smoke...she needs help. She is letting her addiction control her life and it is keeping her from being the person she wants to be. She knew the rules (and believe me the hospital I work at just enforced no smoking on the premeisi (grounds) by any one not even the patients) and she must sooner or later abide by them. She is going to have to shape up or ship out.
  12. by   TinyNurse
    just write the paper.........as my mother told me years ago. "Do whatever you have to do to finish school".
    smoke on your own time.
  13. by   misstaz25
    Thanks WanttobeRN my point earlier was exactly that. She doesn't have a healthy lifestyle and really doesn't hid it either. Morte amen and thank you. The nursing programs do push you to be so perfect and infallible I can see where new students would be a pain to the nurses training them on the job. We are basicly expected to be above human and never make mistakes. If we do make a mistake there are harsh consequences. We are not even allowed to miss more than 2 days or we are automaticly kicked out. No exceptions and no excuses. Also with the programs being like this you can expect your newbie on the floor to be the whistle blower and a**kisser because it is an admired trait (by instructors) in the program. If there is a rule that no one really follows your newbie will be the one running to a superior about you breaking it. I understand nursing since I have been a CNA and Medication Aide for years. Sometimes you can't follow every rule that looks good on paper. Patient care needs to come first. I know rules are important, but sometimes they are just paperwork and redtape to look good for state.

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