opinion on legalization of marijuana in Canada - page 3

I am doing this project at Addiction Medicine Clinice in Toronto, and am having a hard time finding the support for my views. The project is to present group of nurses and doctors (who already... Read More

  1. by   MarnnaRN
    yes, if I came to work with a hangover, I can't do my job. And, since marijuana is ILLEGAL, yes that makes her an abuser.
  2. by   Rustyhammer
    I also say legalize it! If for no other reason than the absolutely absurd amount of money the US spends on "the war on drugs"
    Legalize it and put all those farmers in Iowa back to work, slap a sin tax on it and we can go on our merry way.
  3. by   mattcastens
    Originally posted by thisnurse
    [B]matt you have some very good points. i just have always thought that as a society its a double standard. if we say its ok to be high on alcohol, then why is it NOT ok to be high on weed?
    as far as i am concerned they are nearly the same.
    you keep bringing up crack, there is no comparison between them and its not really a good analogy.
    crack is addicting, crack is dangerous.
    im talking about the nature of the drug, not driving under the influence or anything else, just the effects.

    when you consider the prohibition, isnt it the same thing? there was a core group that believed that alcohol should never be legal. then came the speakeasys.
    you say that i am using flawed logic when i say that it should be legal because people are already doing it, and yet you use the exact same logic when you say that we cant ban alcohol because its already legal and it wont work.
    (people are already doing it)B]
    The point I am making is that pot is in fact dangerous. No, it won't make someone psychotic and ready to kill, it won't make someone think that they can fly off buildings or run naked into traffic, but is dangerous in the same way as tobacco or alcohol. Breathing in smoke and particles is dangerous, taking in toxins that alter brain function (no matter how brief)is dangerous -- this goes for tobacco and alcohol as well (no, I don't smoke; yes, I drink in extreme moderation).

    I suppose I am, in a way, using a double standard when comparing pot to alcohol. But my question is why we should add one more dangergous chemical to the mix. People will do both whether legal or not, there's no getting around that. Prohibition of alcohol didn't work, neither does prohibition of illicit drugs. But we have to draw the line somewhere when it comes to health hazards and where we take a stand. The root to my argument is why legalize another health hazard?

    I am not morally against marijuana. I had been known to smoke it in my past, before I learned more about health and started to take better care of myself. I enjoyed it quite a bit, too. I think the current legal system needs to be revamped to take a different path to dealing with drugs (treatment, not punishment). At the most, the penalty for pot should be a fine, somewhat akin to a traffic ticket, not jail. I am also all for using marijuana in a medical setting.

    On the subject of the overdose, I'm not really up on the root of the respiratory depression. When I saw it I hadn't even started nursing school yet and was working as a nursing assistant in ICU. I would imagine it had to do with the sedative effects. You are right, though, that eating three days of pot brownies is very different than smoking. As I recall, one brownie can keep you high for up to six hours, while the buzz from smoke only lasts a couple at most. I remember a nurse asking why he had ingested so much. He responded, "I kept getting the munchies." :chuckle
  4. by   mattcastens
    I'd also like to add that this is one of the first long-running threads I've seen in a long time that hasn't degraded into insults and self-righteous posts. Maybe we're all high....
  5. by   EXOTIC NURSE
    Did I ever say that the nurse went to work with any kind of effect No I did not and you said yourself if you came to work with a hangover then yes but she did not come to work with any kind of results ...................I am not and will not turn someone in for drug abuse on that note....but if you want to turn people in for that then you go right ahead.....I feel some people take things to far and that would be stretching things quite a bit just to say Oh I turned this nurse in for smoking weed on her off day. Getting drunk is no better than getting high on weed but if one choses to drink on their off day or smoke weed on thier off day that is their business. If I see danger of someone being under the influence of anything in the workplace then Yes I am obligated to turn them in to the Supervisor but not to tell the Supervisor Oh you know I saw Nurse so and so smoking weed on her off day !
  6. by   wrightgd
    I have been looking for the original document that I referred to about the duration of impairment in the test with pilots smoking marijuana... Still haven't been able to find it...

    These sites make reference to the same study, and mention that the impairment was for more that 24 hours... There's lots of "statistics" on the effects of marijuana in these also...

    Hope this helps in your study...

    www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/drugfact/

    http://www.wctu.org/marijuana_-_safe_.html

    http://members.optusnet.com.au/~apfdfy/Effects.html

    George
  7. by   semstr
    Legalize it!!

    But he, I am from the Netherlands originally, so I think different I guess.LOL

    Take care and keep on the good (d)w)eeds, Renee
  8. by   thisnurse
    a person who smokes on their day off is no more an addict than those idiots at the hockey games or concerts that scream whats left of their brains out and have a good time at eveyone elses expense..
    a spliff? i never heard that one before.

    i think you are wrong when you say there is no place in medicine for marijuana.
    i worked in the VA for a bit with cancer patients.
    that little pill called marinol did wonders for some of those patients as far as N/V and appetite inducer. i dont see any ill effects from it either.
    i dont see that it can/should be used for pain control. its not an opoid. its different. but i think we would be doing some of our patients a disservice by completely dismissing it.

    matt.. pot CAN be dangerous. i dont think that the recreational user is in any danger. i think the danger comes to play when azzholes think they can drive or do other similar tasks, or when it is abused. and yes it can be abused, just like alcohol. that munchie thing cracked me up. nurses really see their share of shyt heads.



    and thanks for the links george...ill check them out after my shift.
  9. by   EXOTIC NURSE
    This nurse: a "spliff" is what weed is called in the West Indies so now you have learned something new today...........
  10. by   mattcastens
    Originally posted by thisnurse
    i think you are wrong when you say there is no place in medicine for marijuana.
    i worked in the VA for a bit with cancer patients.
    that little pill called marinol did wonders for some of those patients as far as N/V and appetite inducer. i dont see any ill effects from it either.
    i dont see that it can/should be used for pain control. its not an opoid. its different. but i think we would be doing some of our patients a disservice by completely dismissing it.
    I must have missed a post ... who was against using marijuana in medicine?
  11. by   thisnurse
    no YOU didnt say that matt...lol
    someone else did but i cant remember who (no im not stoned...lol)

    thanks for the spliff lesson. just when i thought i heard them all...(meanwhile thats prob what everyone calls them) LOL
    i like learning new things

    you know what...if i wanted to live my life like some nurses think i should (turn her in) i would have joined a convent.
    Last edit by thisnurse on Feb 15, '02
  12. by   mario_ragucci
    Well, I am amazed at this open talk. I come from NYC, where pot was pretty much an accepted and normal part of going to high school and riding the bus. When the subway got stuck between stations, and the subway went dark, it wasn't long before you started to smell pot. Though the rock-n-rollers and disco people disliked one anothers music, they all seemed to smile together when it came to passing a joint around. This was in the late 70's and early 80's, mind you, before crack came onto the scene.
    It was culture shock for me when I enlisted in the USMC and those folks piss-tested you at random, and most especially when you came back from leave. If you popped positive on a piss-test, they sent you to corrective custody, which was boot camp all over again, followed by a bad conduct discharge. My old friends back on the block didn't believe me when I told them about it. That urinalysis forced me to not be with my friends on leave, because smoking pot used to be something we did together, similiar to having a drink for a celebration on the weekend. I felt it was discrimination, but I made it through my 4 years w/o incident.
    I have traveled through Holland, and it was culture shock again, because there it was okay to smoke in a bar or coffee shop. You could always spot the Americans visiting, because they smoked it like they were sneaking, where as the native peoples were rlaxed.
    I couldn't even dream of going near it now because i am trying to get a job in a hospital. Once I get an offer, my employment will be contingent on a negative urinalysis. I don't think the urinalysis is very American - for what that is worth. Peoples personal troubles will impair them, and pot abuse is but one.
    Americans are not mature enough to have pot legalized, I am sad to say. If it were legal, folks would be smoking at the wrong times, and acting like cheech and Chong. People are at each others throats over the smell of cigarettes; Can you imagine how people would react if they smelt pot on one another? Plus, there is a ga-zillion dollar drug industry all ready in place, and if pot were legal, those folks would lose $$$, and that won't happen, will it? Have you read the side effects of prozac? Whoa!
  13. by   thisnurse
    mario...you make an EXCELLENT point about legalization in america...the alcohol companies would stand to lose one hell of a lot of revenue. they are probably the ones financially backing the anti legalization movements.

    the other excellent point you make is that we are too immature to legalize it. people would be smoking it at all the wrong times.

    and i hate to say this...but this war on drugs IS big business in america


    :roll

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