Nurses Being brought in from another country - page 4

Not sure how I feel about this and I'm wondering if anyone out there has experienced this with there hospital. The hospital I currently work in is bringing 15 nurses from another country in to work... Read More

  1. by   caroladybelle
    I actually was reviewing traveler positions for the Winter. One place in Florida (facility that is known for importing nurses) had the traveler pay down to $22/hr.
  2. by   Tweety
    Quote from oncogene
    We are both writing in English but somehow my words are being misread.

    I think I understood what you were saying. This nation was founded by immigrants and four our entire history people have come here from many nations. That tradition continues today. Filipino nurses are no more different that the Europenes in the late 1800's looking for a better life, who were no different than the ones from the 1600's.

    I also agree with those who say that America is not an immigrant nation. We are not.

    (Also, our relationship with the Philippines goes way back as well, when we "received" the Philippines from Spain after winning the Spanish American War. Many Americans died defending the Philippines in WWII, and many Filipinos died side by side with Americans. That's way off topic and really not relavent to the current discussion, but since I'm in a historical mood.....)
    Last edit by Tweety on Sep 10, '06
  3. by   Tweety
    Quote from caroladybelle
    I actually was reviewing traveler positions for the Winter. One place in Florida (facility that is known for importing nurses) had the traveler pay down to $22/hr.
    With free housing I trust? That is low, but close to the going rate here 20something with free housing.
  4. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from Tweety
    With free housing I trust? That is low, but close to the going rate here 20something with free housing.
    I didn't ask. W/my creds and specialty, even in Florida, I get paid better than that. I already have possibilities at one of my regular assignments (chain w/several facilities that I have worked at - for decent pay)

    Of course it was a Forprofit facility, but it is not even in a "good" area of Florida to work. It is not close to a beach, or even many lakes. And it definitely has poor ratios. There really isn't even "sunshine" pay going for them.
  5. by   Tweety
    Quote from caroladybelle
    I didn't ask. W/my creds and specialty, even in Florida, I get paid better than that. I already have possibilities at one of my regular assignments (chain w/several facilities that I have worked at - for decent pay)

    Of course it was a Forprofit facility, but it is not even in a "good" area of Florida to work. It is not close to a beach, or even many lakes. And it definitely has poor ratios. There really isn't even "sunshine" pay going for them.

    I agree. I'd would have hung up immediately laughing at the absurdity. Heck I make more than that without traveling.
  6. by   madwife2002
    Quote from multicollinarity
    Oncogene,

    I agree with what Timothy said. What troubles me is the attitude of expecting and/or perceiving it to be one's right to immigrate to any particular country. (Not saying you said this, just my thoughts in general.) There is no such right. Boundaries and borders exist for many reasons.

    For example, I would like to someday immigrate to Canada to be near some of my Canadian relatives and for other reasons. Since I am not a Canadian citizen, I view the opportunity to become a Canadian citizen as a gift which is entirely up to the Canadian government. They owe me nothing. If I am permitted to become a Canadian citizen - I will say thank you for the opportunity given to me by Canada. I would not feel entitled to citizenship or wax philosophical about all of us being immigrants at one time or another.
    I cannot aggree more with what you say. I am from the UK and I now live here in the US I feel that I have been priviledged to be allow the opportunitly to come to live and work in the USA. I feel that borders have to be controlled or there would be a huge problem if a free for all were allowed.

    We have a huge problem in the UK with asylum seekers arriving daily so much so in 5 years the accounted population from war torn countries and illegal immigration actually increased from 8% to 11% of the population. If you imagine the whole of the UK can fit inside Texas 5 times or more. So a tiny country when compared, yet the population of the UK in over 60 million. The problem of this kind of immigration is the financial cost to the country and the health care system, and it is being seen daily in the NHS by the cut backs because we can no longer afford to keep it running as it was.

    So every nation has to control immigration, remember 3/4 of the worlds countries dont let the British and Americans just go to their countries and run riot in them do they! We have to have visa's and be interogated as to why we are visiting, given a stamp as to how long we are there for and if we leave later than said almost arrested at the airport.
    How many British and Americans are accused of spying.

    If this was a free world why does this happen, why do we have to obey the laws and religions of other countries but that doesnt happen in ours.
  7. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I agree; the key is CONTROLLED immigration.
  8. by   KTYRN
    Wow, I guess I really opened a can of worms with this topic. I respect everybody's point of view and I appreciate the feedback. As for the nurses from India coming here, I will definitely keep everyone posted on how it goes. As for the pay rate of new grads only getting $22/hr. that's great! In our area they only get $18., that's with a union. I think I'm ready to move, LOL. I think I live in the lowest paying area of the U.S.
  9. by   ortess1971
    My grandparents on my mom's side came here in 1950. Back then, you had to have a sponsor(usually through the local church) who would be responsible for you if you failed to find a job in a timely fashion. That's right, you were expected to work when you came here, my grandfather didn't speak english at first but he got a job in a factory during the day and my grandmother got one at night. America may have an immigration history and it is something to be proud of, but we have to control the illegal immigration that is happening. I also believe that we should take care of our own first-meaning that we should fix the working conditions for our nurses and get our students of off these ridiculous waiting lists. One way to do that, IMHO, is to let nurses who have a bachelor's degree teach nursing. What we have now in many cases are nurses who may have their Master's or PHd, but have not been at the bedside in years. Not too many people want to teach nursing after going through the rigors of a masters program, because they pay them terribly. Hate to sound paranoid but sometimes I think that this drive to bring nurses in from overseas is a way towards paying us less.
  10. by   purplemania
    The corp. who owns us contracted with nurses in Kenya for 2 years, then spread them out among various corp hospitals. The first one we got is bright, cheerful and fun to work with, but her skills left a lot to be desired. I have to assess skills on the second nurse this week. Both used to work ICU but neither could start IV's or do many of the skills American nurses are charged with, simply because nurses in other countries do not always have the same level of responsibility as we do. HOWEVER, these ladies are an asset. When our census was low in the summer we had some grumbling because our regular staff was forced to take time off but the contract nurse did not. I don't know the terms of the contracts regarding level of pay, but overall my impression is we have two good nurses, as long as they are placed in the appropriate unit. They are certainly better than new grads!!
  11. by   glasgow3
    Quote from purplemania
    The corp. who owns us contracted with nurses in Kenya for 2 years, then spread them out among various corp hospitals. When our census was low in the summer we had some grumbling because our regular staff was forced to take time off but the contract nurse did not. I don't know the terms of the contracts regarding level of pay, but overall my impression is we have two good nurses, as long as they are placed in the appropriate unit. They are certainly better than new grads!!

    Ahhhhhh I hate those who grumble. Why on earth should citizens of the US, and regular staff/employees at that, become upset when non-citizens/employees continue to earn full paychecks while they must endure a reduction in their hours? How selfish of them. Don't they understand the corporation was FORCED to import those nurses because of the nursing shortage?:uhoh21:
  12. by   Demonsthenes
    The bringing in of foreign nurses to America has the effect of lowering wages, making nursing employment very tenuous and job security very poor, and lowering working conditions.
    This is an example of "Monopoly Capitalism".
    What is "Monopoly Capitalism"?
    In " Monopoly Capitalism" capital is exported instead of the finished goods of production ( which is the case in true-traditional capitalism).
    What is capital? Capital is money, labor, and industry.
    Labor can be exported through outsourcing, unjust legal immigration which has the affect of displacing American workers (as in nursing), and illegal immigration.
    Our money (capital) is been exported through our current huge governmental accounts deficit. This capital is being exported to China and other countries.
    Our industries are being outsourced.
    In "true capitalism" finished goods using the native industry and workers are exported using the native country's transportation system.
    "Monopoly capitalism" destroys "true capitalsm" which is defined as having "free enterprise" and "competition".
    In nursing, of course, the nursing industry is destroying "free enterprise" and "competition" in nursing by importing foreign nurses.
    They don't want the "free market" and "free enterprise" for nurses and other workers to work! They want to "monopolize" the labor market!
    The affect of "monopoly capitalism" is to impoverish the native citizenry and concentrate political and economic power in a very few entities and individuals.
    According to Marxist dogma (I am not a Marxist, I am a mix between a libertarian and a conservative and a liberal) , "monopoly capitalsm" is the last stage of capitalism before the socialist revolution that over turns capitalsim.
  13. by   catlady
    I work with Filipina and Indian nurses; other than me sometimes having trouble with their accents, they're fine to work with.

    Out of the blue, though, I've had several patients say negative things about the foreign nurses. I've tried to stay out of it, other than to point out that considering they've come to a strange country and have to work in a second language, they've done much more than I could hope to do.

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