Nurses as day laborers (rant)

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I was replying to another thread on the paltry pay we receive for working the weird hours we do, and it occured to me that, as a professional who holds so much responsibilty, my pay "bonuses" are measured by mere pennies per hour.

We have SO MUCH legal and professional responsiblities sitting squarely on our shouldres, and our yearly merits are rewarded with compensation to the right of a decimal point. That is SO WRONG!!!

We take years to prepare and are required in many states to maintain current on our learing, but we are at the whim of the facility to send us packing in the middle of the day when census drops, only to be called back when it, predictably, picks up again a few hours later.

I think part of the reason we all feel so frustrated here is that we are charged with so much responsiblity, but have very little authority on how we practice, and are treated poorer than checkout clerks. Heck, do you see the grocery store sending their employees home in the middle of the day "Stay by the phone, we'll call you when more customers come in".

And, employers know our jobs are high risk for back and other injuries, but do not purchase the proper aids that would make lifting and transferring patients easier on us. Like we are held in contempt by the facilities that hire us. And then when nurses DO get injured, they are dropped like hot potatoes.

Ladies, if you are a nurse, you are smart enough to make it through law school, vet school, or anything else you want to do. If I wasn't so old and had so many people riding on my salary, I'd switch professions in a heartbeat.

We are ALL too smart to take this maltreatment, and we have NO POWER to do anything. Strike? Union you say? Hah!! Just look at what Petoskey Michigan did....the nurses there went on strike YEARS ago, and the hospital never caved. They just hired temps. Some nurses came limping back with their tails between their legs, some never got their jobs back.

Do your firefighters take this kind of abuse? Your police department? I think not. These "professions" consist of mostly males. Could this be why?? I think so. I thought when more men entered nursing things would change. They did not.

Whew.......have a good day!

My base pay is 65,000/year and that is working 36/hrs/week and taking 4 weeks vacation every year. With overtime I was able to make 87,000 last year and because of the flexible schedule and having 4 days/week off I was able to actually take 7 week long vacations. I dont think police,firemen, lawyers are afforded that much time off because their schedules arent as flexible as ours.

If I worked full time, I would be in this same range with about the same amount of vacation time.

This salary allows most of us to work part-time which is a feature many professions do not allow.

Agreed. The ability to work part time is a rarity and can offset some of the negatives.

Another positive aspect is the ability to change specialty areas. After 3-5 years of residency, docs certainly don't have this option. Heck, you don't even have to have direct patient contact. There are jobs in Utililization Review and Quality Control and other such positions that are completely insulated from working with the public. Of course, those jobs have their own headaches.

So many people put in long hours doing grueling work in unpleasant or even hazardous conditions for less than half of what I make. I'm mostly happy with my current job, but then I don't work med/surg.

If you can't stand what you're doing (either because of job description itself or because of an impossible patient load), the money is a secondary issue. They couldn't pay me enough to do some jobs.

Conversely, if you like what you're doing, but the pay is substandard, that is another can of worms.

Unionization may solve some of these problems, but it's certainly no quick fix.

A big thanks to those of you who are looking for ways, both practical and political, to fix the problems. And a thank you to those of you who can and do set limits on the extras you will do to offset the need to hire more staff. I understand that not everyone is in a position to refuse, but the more we resist being spread thinner and thinner, the more likely that management will have to look elsewhere for real solutions to understaffing.

One thing we can all agree on: there are no easy answers.

Good post Miranda - :flowersfo

I work part-time in a small rural hospital and make $40,000, give or take a few $$. I take 3 weeks in the summer to go to Vietnam on a medical mission. I do not make as much an hour as the hospitals pay 70 miles down the road in the "big city".

I also qualify for insurance, however it is costly.

I'm too old and set in my ways to put up with some of the stuff people post on here. Understaffing. Patient ratio problems. Etc.

Everyone has a different story - in a way maybe that is one of the good things about nursing - the diversity and chance to change your life if you don't like the job you have - there is another one out there that is better.

steph

Specializes in med/surg.

Y'all want to try working & living on a UK nurses salary!!! Our reward this year will be another pay rise well below inflation - thus representing a pay cut in real terms whereas the police have already secured a pay rise that's double ours & they already earn £10,000 ($18,000 approx) per year more than nurses, this will take them to £12,000 more! Teachers earn £8,000 ($14,000 app) more!

We are left as officially the lowest paid public sector workers in the UK & can't even afford to buy a house in over 95% of the UK!! Oh & we do have Unions, very vocal ones, but it's all talk & no action!

My answer is that I'm voting with my feet & am leaving the UK to nurse in the USA. I know it's not perfect over your side of the pond but at least your wage is a living one! It may not be enough but you can live on it in most, if not all, parts of the USA, from what I've read & heard. Luckily, being married, I have a ridiculously high priced house (but I'm not complaining now) in London that will mean I'll have no mortgage in the USA, so that'll help with the cost of living for starters!

I'll miss my friends, colleagues, job (that's the irony I'm actually quite happy where I work) etc but I won't miss the high taxes, low wages, congestion charge, traffic, parking restrictions, speed cameras, CCTV or weather!

I want to work where Jennio is!!!!

Part of MY problem, is I want to continue to raise my kids in "Mayberry" but want better working conditions/pay.

You all know that small-town hospitals are SOOOO much more political/restrictive than big city hospitals, even if we DO have huge turnover rates!

Specializes in ED, Cardiac Medicine, Retail Health.

Hey RGN1 We just had a nurse return to England from our hospital in Boston. She was home sick.

Specializes in med/surg.
Hey RGN1 We just had a nurse return to England from our hospital in Boston. She was home sick.

:roll

Well I won't be going home!! Mind you I've had a house in the USA fro some 9 years now & already have a smattering of friends there, so I guess that'll help!

I've a friend in Nashua NH (beautiful part of the USA IMO) & we spent a day in Boston last time I was over - lovely city - though the roadworks & subsequently the traffic queues were as bad as here! Still at least she could park the car!

We've been friends since I met her when she was doing an exchange module at my uni way back in 1986!! So I've been coming across the pond every year virtually since she went back home. She's lived in San Diego - where she's from, San Francisco, Sacramento & now Nashua - so I've done both coasts!

Our house is in Florida - typical Brit!!:D

Specializes in Newborn ICU, Trauma ICU, Burn ICU, Peds.
...We have SO MUCH legal and professional responsiblities sitting squarely on our shouldres, and our yearly merits are rewarded with compensation to the right of a decimal point. That is SO WRONG!!!

In my institution they started a new clinical ladder system where you have to apply and put togther a professional portfolio including CV, reccommendation letters from fellow RN's and Exemplar(s) as well as a professional mission statement (different levels require different things, but that's the basics) in order to move up the ladder. You apply to your unit's manager and (s)he interviews you for level C (new grads are level A for 18 months, then you automatically move to a "B"), if you want a D or E you apply to a hospital-wide committee and they make the determination. At a D or E you have to justify staying at that level yearly. What male profession would allow this kind of thing? What male dominated profession would accept that in order to move up the ladder you have to justify your care and write stories about what you learn from your practice?

Ladies, if you are a nurse, you are smart enough to make it through law school, vet school, or anything else you want to do. If I wasn't so old and had so many people riding on my salary, I'd switch professions in a heartbeat.

I work with two nurses who were lawyers and went back to nursing because the law profession is sooooo saturated with lawyers. They make more as nurses than they did as a lawyer with lots less work to take home.

I agree that there are times that I get very frustrated with how nurses are treated and I get tired of the politcal bs, but I'd get that working at Taco Bell.

Reading this thread it's amazing to me the vast difference in our pay. From $29K to nearly $100K seems crazy, but I guess it depends on the market.

Specializes in Newborn ICU, Trauma ICU, Burn ICU, Peds.
I understand where you are coming from. I don't feel that the $29,000 a year (that's before taxes).

I have GOT to ask, where do you work that you only make $29,000 a year??????? WOW!

Is that for full-time as an RN????

Specializes in NICU, PICU, MNICU.

I work with two nurses who were lawyers and went back to nursing because the law profession is sooooo saturated with lawyers. They make more as nurses than they did as a lawyer with lots less work to take home.

I can totally relate to that. My husband graduates in May and if he gets a job in this immediate area (smaller town, not a huge job market) he'll probably be making around $35-40,000 a year. Last year I cleared $48,000. At least he's not doing it for the money :roll :roll

OTOH, it somewhat limits my career choices at this point, since I'd really like to get into something with research, teaching, and writing, and those really don't pay and the job prospects aren't huge.

And I totally agree, Running, we would be able to have a lot more options if we wanted to move out of Mayberry, but we just got here from the big city 2.5 years ago and we're totally loving it

Specializes in Oncology/Haemetology/HIV.
May I ask where you got your statistics from.

My regrets at not being able to post the link.

The major nursing magazines (AJN, Nursing 200X ), and this BB discussed the aforementioned stats on this about 1-2 years ago. It was a major splash.

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