No Nursing Shortage At The Present Time - page 8

I am assured that some of you are reading this and saying to yourselves, "Duh! This topic is old hat. We already know there's a glut of nurses in many parts of the country, so why are you writing... Read More

  1. by   TheCommuter
    Quote from Carley77
    We are barely seeing the boomers retire at this point. Give it 5-10 years and between nurses at retirement age and general population the shortage that the experts have been preaching will be full blown.
    One-third of Baby Boomers have no (zero) retirement funds saved. These people will not be able to retire. They will be working until the day they drop dead. There's no foreseeable retirement for one-third of the 78 million boomers, which adds up to 26 million people. That's a lot of people who will be working until the day they die.

    My parents are 56 and 54 years of age without a dime of retirement money saved. My father has a lower-paying retail job and my mother has been unemployed for more than 4 years. They are in debt up to their eyeballs, and therefore, not socking any money away for retirement because their entire monthly income evaporates to keep the bills paid. If they live long enough to collect social security, that's all the money they will have.
  2. by   tothepointeLVN
    Quote from Not_A_Hat_Person
    I'm from Boston, where the trades pay extremely well because they are essentially closed shops. To work on any government-funded projects, and most privately-funded ones, you have to belong to the union. To join the union, you have to know someone, preferably as a relative. Even holding a coveted union card doesn't guarantee a job if you don't make, and keep, the right connections.
    Y'know I have heard around here that people sell applications for the IWLU here for $10k. Probably not true but I think it just goes to show how hard getting in the right position can be sometimes.
  3. by   Burlshoe114
    Quote from TheCommuter
    I'm only speculating, but here is why I think the US is lacking in people who know who to perform the skilled trades.

    1. School officials, politicians, and some parents have discouraged teenagers and young adults from doing 'manual labor.' An entire generation of young adults has been encouraged to attend college or universities when some of them are not college material. However, what can you realistically do with a BA degree in theater arts, literature, philosophy, etc.?

    2. As recently as a generation ago, students were tracked into educational pathways based on their test scores and career aspirations. High schools once had vocational paths where students who became disengaged with regular courses could train to become welders, chefs, drafters, auto mechanics, computer office clerks, cosmetologists, manicurists, nursing assistants, and even LPNs. Vocational tracks have mostly disappeared from high schools, and these disengaged students are now forced to sit in college-prep high school courses.

    3. An unspoken stigma exists regarding factory work, plumbing, mechanical and electrical work, and any work done with the hands. Many of today's unemployed college graduates would not be caught dead with a hammer or wrench in their hands. However, this type of work builds character, and not everyone is capable of doing it.
    We took in a troubled teen relative who had trouble even attending school, let alone applying herself. When we talked to her about her future goals, she said she wanted to attend college to be a Pediatrician. We aksed her how that was going to happen, given the fact that she had around a 1.2 GPA. She just shrugged.
    We told her she would either need to apply herself a lot more, or else she would need to consider lowering her job standards. We discussed what careers people with 1.2 GPAs generally get to go into - Retail sales, waitressing, the army.... We were hoping to get through to this kid!

    A few days later, we get a call from the high school career councelor, scolding us for trying to crush this girl's career ambitions of getting a medical degree and becoming a doctor!
  4. by   TheCommuter
    Quote from Burlshoe114
    A few days later, we get a call from the high school career councelor, scolding us for trying to crush this girl's career ambitions of getting a medical degree and becoming a doctor!
    A high school student with a 1.2 grade point average is not going to make it through medical school, let alone an easier college track, unless he/she changes his/her entire life, thoughts, and focus.

    And to be perfectly blunt, not everyone is college material. School officials, political figures, and parents need to stop pushing young people into colleges and universities if they really do not want to be there. Trade school can lead to a respectable living and good income, and the same young people who become disengaged with books and theories would be best served by a vocational track in high school or college where they can learn a trade.
  5. by   malamud69
    Just curious....are all of you people that are whining and complaining that there is "no shortage"...employed??? If so, what is the problem. I realize I may have shot myself in the foot opening that can of worms, but it is reminiscent of TV as it tries to scare people about "terror plots"...Just wondering. Have we all become brainwashed by BOTH sides??? Have you seen "soylent green?" Can we even think for ourselves based on our unique life experience anymore?...or are we stuck to the new electronic pacifiers that have infiltrated our human psyche and our destroying our culture from within? We must stop being the cattle blindly going to the slaughter. Besides all this talk about no jobs, lots of jobs really doesn't matter much anymore...anybody that argued against unions and workers rights has given it all away. We gave up our power as free thinkers and hard workers years ago...we no longer call the shots...why do you complain? What gives you that right? Just wondering as I wait for the onslaught...
  6. by   CrunchRN
    I got my popcorn ready - let the games begin!
  7. by   Esme12
    unfortunately, contrary to what is being advertised...... there is at present no shortage. many new grads cannot find jobs and the seasoned nurses laid off because of "downsizing" are not being hired because of their "high" rate of pay.

    no popcorn necessary......the articles speak for themselves.

    the big lie

    without a doubt, the main source of frustration experienced by recently graduated and licensed but still unemployed nurses is what could be called "the big lie."in other words, the television commercials that encourage young people to become nurses -- and then abandon them for months (or years) without employment; and the educators who tell them that the associate's degree is perfectly adequate to guarantee employment, that they will have their pick of jobs when they graduate, and that there is plenty of time to get a bsn later on. who knows whether it is greed, ignorance, or wishful thinking that underlies the fairy tales told to nursing students about their future job prospects? whatever the motivation, the disillusionment of our new grads is palpable. the jobs they expected after all of their hard work just haven't materialized, and some grads are getting pretty desperate.

    will work for experience
    the strongest motivator for the working population is money, but for some newly licensed registered nurses, getting valuable clinical experience seems to be taking precedence over the paycheck. without that experience, the financial future of these nurses will remain precarious because they will be unable to find jobs.
    "i am willing to take a 50% pay cut or even work for free so i can get the darned experience," said one frustrated new graduate who has been unable to break out of the unending cycle of "no job without experience, and no experience without a job."
    she was not alone. other readers wrote:...........for the rest of the article, medscape requires registration but it is free.

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    has the nursing shortage disappeared?
    it's that time of year again. graduating nursing students are preparing to take the nclex and are looking for their first jobs. this year, many are finding those first jobs in short supply. reports are rampant of new graduates being unable to find open positions in their specialty of choice, and even more shockingly, many are finding it tough to find any openings at all.
    these new rns entered school with the promise that nursing is a recession-proof career. they were told the nursing shortage would guarantee them employment whenever and wherever they wanted.

    so what happened? has the nursing shortage—that we've heard about incessantly for years—suddenly gone away?

    the short term answer is clearly yes, although in the long term, unfortunately, the shortage will still be there.

    the recession has brought a temporary reprieve to the shortage. nurses who were close to retirement have seen their 401(k) portfolios plummet and their potential retirement income decline. they are postponing retirement a few more years until the economy—and their portfolios—pick up.

    many nurses have seen their spouses and partners lose their jobs and have increased their hours to make ends meet for their families. some who left the profession to care for children or for other reasons have rejoined the workforce for similar reasons.
    in addition, many hospitals are not hiring. the recession brought hiring freezes to healthcare facilities across the country, and many are still in effect. help wanted ads for healthcare professionals dropped by 18,400 listings in july, even as the overall economy saw a modest increase of 139,200 in online job listings.

    looking out for our new nurse grads

    be a nurse if you can
    a popular website about the nursing profession claims, "there has never been a better time to be a nurse." "be" a nurse? perhaps, but "become" a nurse? perhaps, that is less certain. in spite of continuing to rank among the best careers and best jobs in america, the nursing profession is struggling to welcome its newest members with open arms and paychecks.

    not too long ago, the threat of a growing nursing shortage prompted thousands of prospective students to choose nursing as a career, and nursing schools rapidly filled to capacity. nursing was frequently referred to as a "recession-proof" career, and the outlook for finding a job after graduation was rosy.

    experience and employment: the vicious cycle
    now, the bloom, as they say, is off the rose. it seems that many of our new grads are stuck in that perennial dilemma: they can't get a job without experience, and they can't get experience without a job. this situation was not anticipated by thousands of nursing students who were told, often repeatedly, that a global nursing shortage practically guaranteed employment for them.

    consider, for example, the situation faced by new graduates in california. a survey of hospitals by the california institute for nursing & health care found that as many as 40% of new graduates may not be able to find jobs in california hospitals, because only 65% of the state's potential employers were hiring new graduates and generally planned to hire fewer new graduates than in previous years. overwhelming numbers of new graduates submitted applications for the few available positions for new graduates.

    what happened to the jobs?

    most experts blame the crumbling economy for ruining the job prospects of new graduate nurses around the country, but as usual these days, the truth is more complex.

    uneven distribution. the demand for nurses was supposed to exceed the supply by the year 2010. the question of whether we truly have a nursing shortage right now is a fair one. the answer, it seems, is "it depends." apparently, it depends on where you live and where you are willing to work. neither the distribution or supply of nurses, or the demand, is uniform. some geographic (mostly rural) areas have a shortage of nurses, whereas some urban locations are witnessing an oversupply of nurses. new graduates seeking jobs in these regions will face a very competitive job market.

    economic recession. the shrinking job pool is widely believed to be a consequence of the declining us economy. temporarily at least, economic pressures and job losses in all industries have induced thousands of experienced but aging nurses to forego retirement and even increase their working hours to support their families. according to buerhaus, more than 75% of new nursing jobs between 2001 and 2008 were filled by nurses over the age of 50.[

    combined with a lower hospital census (as a result of fewer elective procedures and loss of health insurance coverage), this has led to downsizing, hiring freezes, and even hospital closures. when the cash flow diminishes, hospitals traditionally look to cut the nursing budget, the highest cost center in the hospital. the most expensive item in that budget is orienting and training the new graduate. transitional programs for new graduates, such as internships and residency programs, have been sharply curtailed, and many hospitals stopped interviewing new grads altogether. it doesn't help that newly licensed nurses have a reputation for having the highest turnover rates. as many as 26% of new nurses leave their first nursing employer within 2 years.

    shifting settings of care. healthcare is largely moving out of the hospital and into community-based settings. job growth for rns is expected but not necessarily in the hospital. significant job growth will occur in nursing homes, long-term care, home health, and even physicians' offices. acute care hospital job growth will be the slowed. again medscape requires registration
    Last edit by Esme12 on Jul 6, '12
  8. by   CrunchRN
    Don't misunderstand Esme. I agree with you completely. I was just looking forward to the pyrotechnics that seem inevitable with the gauntlet the previous poster just threw down.

    back to my popcorn....
  9. by   malamud69
    Quote from CrunchRN
    Don't misunderstand Esme. I agree with you completely. I was just looking forward to the pyrotechnics that seem inevitable with the gauntlet the previous poster just threw down.

    back to my popcorn....
    Yes indeed!
  10. by   HM-8404
    In 2008, a 617 bed hospital in my city filed for bankruptcy and closed down. I have no idea how many nurses worked there but they were absorbed by the surrounding hospitals, filling all vacancies. Now the hospitals just hire as nurses leave.

    Even after this the local schools and the media continue to preach "nursing shortage".
  11. by   Esme12
    Quote from CrunchRN
    Don't misunderstand Esme. I agree with you completely. I was just looking forward to the pyrotechnics that seem inevitable with the gauntlet the previous poster just threw down.

    back to my popcorn....
    All good........make sure it has enough butter!
  12. by   netglow
    malamud69 is a new student.
  13. by   tothepointeLVN
    Quote from TheCommuter
    One-third of Baby Boomers have no (zero) retirement funds saved. These people will not be able to retire. They will be working until the day they drop dead.
    Yeah but they'll probably die in a hospital.