No Nursing Shortage At The Present Time - page 19

I am assured that some of you are reading this and saying to yourselves, "Duh! This topic is old hat. We already know there's a glut of nurses in many parts of the country, so why are you writing... Read More

  1. Visit  Medic2RN profile page
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    I browsed through the previous pages, I couldn't read all of them.

    I have to say that in my particular area, we are seriously short of experienced nurses. In my unit, they received permission to expand hiring 3 times the new grads normally allowed because we are so short. A typical day is working 2 nurses short and sometimes no tech available to help.

    Other units are short also. No one is there to fill these positions. I guess it's applicable to location only.
  2. Visit  tothepointeLVN profile page
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    Maybe we need the match system like the doctors everyone gets a location and a bus ticket
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  3. Visit  kcmylorn profile page
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    Reading through these posts leaves me to this observation- one poster, who spoke of St Vinie's in NYC's closing and the gobbleing up of the little hospitals by the big corporation and the big corporations are bleeding red ink. Well I think that possibly that is the reason for the lack of nursing jobs- not lack of nurses. The big boss CEO commands such a mega payday that there is nothing left for the rest of the operating expenses and of course there is going to be nothing left to hire enough nurses to safely and competently take care of the complex patient population of today.

    These corpporate CEO's are so self absorbed they can not even see the misappropriation of their own funds- which they brag about their MBA's. it seems to me that if little Joe Shmo running a corner deli saw his store going under and he was collecting a couple of hundred thousand salary/yr- I think little Joe Shmo would cut his salary to save his business in the long run.
    I see alot of the blame game going on amonst us nurses that this failure of the healthcare systme is "our" fault- "if only our nursing programs were better, if only we would have better math classes, new nurses can't handle the stress of nursing so they get out 1-2yrs into their career, old nurses chase them out" I say: NO! STOP! Let's call it, like it is!! It's corporate greed that causing all this mess and mayheim in healthcare. There ain't nothing any nurse- staff especially is going to do about it other than to protest publically, whether it's join a union or publically speak out against this garbage and hope to god, nursing administration wakes up from their coma and joins hops on the bandwagon in support because they have licenses also whether they remember that or not, insteaqd of the dollar bill baths and champagne toasts they have been enjoying. The nurses in academia's role and responsibility in all this is to start teaching the masses, either students or publishing their "whitepapers of fairy tale ink", research and evidence based practice "of this misappropriation of economic resources/money into one person's paycheck..

    Having the Nursing profession as a whole take on the responsibilty for the mis- managment of our healthcare system is screwed up. It does, however, serve corporate America well- the CEO bosses don't have to look at themselves as THE problem, and the ONLY problem!! We need corporate healthcare transparency.- and I don't how much the light bill is!!
    Last edit by kcmylorn on Jul 13, '12
  4. Visit  TheCommuter profile page
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    Quote from kcmylorn
    It's corporate greed that causing all this mess and mayheim in healthcare.
    I can agree with and appreciate this statement. The healthcare system is broken, and corporate greed is a major part of the problem.
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  5. Visit  HM-8404 profile page
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    Although I understand what you are saying, if you look at it as a whole the pay of a CEO is a small portion of the overall operating budget of a large hospital. Even if those that shut down or had to file bankruptcy had no CEO salary to pay it would not have saved them.
  6. Visit  DoGoodThenGo profile page
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    Quote from kcmylorn
    Reading through these posts leaves me to this observation- one poster, who spoke of St Vinie's in NYC's closing and the gobbleing up of the little hospitals by the big corporation and the big corporations are bleeding red ink. Well I think that possibly that is the reason for the lack of nursing jobs- not lack of nurses. The big boss CEO commands such a mega payday that there is nothing left for the rest of the operating expenses and of course there is going to be nothing left to hire enough nurses to safely and competently take care of the complex patient population of today!!
    *snipped for brevity sake only*
    T'was my comment and as said and will continue to say it simply is not fair to lay the entire blame for the "healthcare mess" at the feet of corporate CEOs regardless of their wage/benefit packages. Nor is the merger or purchasing of smaller hospitals by larger systems always a bad thing.

    Again here in NYS *ALL* hospital systems are technically not for profit. Furthermore state law forbids ownership of same by private corporations, yet many hospitals have closed over the past several years and more are most certainly going that way without a huge changes.

    About three years ago you had three major NYC hospitals in dire financial distress; Saint Vincent's, Lenox Hill and North General. Each were different as night and day in their missions and managment styles.

    Saint Vinny's and to an extent NG were charity/community hospitals both saddled with a reputation of being facilities of "last resort". Lenox Hill OTHO serves one of the wealthiest areas of Manhattan/NYC attracting the rich and famous not only from NYC but all over the world. Yet all three were in the same boat, they were bleeding red ink if a merger or sale could not be arranged soon they would have to file for bankruptcy and or close.

    Well we all know how the story played out. Saint Vinny's closed and sent shockwaves through the NYC healthcare system. If NYC and NYS who long had played fast and loose with funds in order to prop up dying hospitals would allow an insitution like SV's to close then all bets were off.

    After months of turning down offers that were less to it's liking Lenox Hill had no choice but to rush into the arms of NS-LIJ, one of the only NYC area healthcare systems that isn't near broke, and indeed they paid cash for the transaction. If this merger/purchase had not happened LH would have probably gone the way of SV and NG as the matter was the same for both, no one else was stepping up with the required deep pockets to purchase or merge.

    This is happening all over the country for pretty much the same reasons. Small and even mid-size hospitals simply lack the market power to get the best reimbursement rates from insurance companies. Meanwhile the cost of running a hospital keeps increasing while sources of funds including Medicare/Medicaid are decreasing. Where it not for "big corporations", there would be more facility closures than we've had already.

    Are there things that can be done? Sure but since the United States basically treats heathcare as business, one that is largely run and managed by states there are only a few options.

    Even the US government got out of the hospital business for the most part when it shut down the USPH facilities.
  7. Visit  tothepointeLVN profile page
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    On a lighter note about math I was this and thought of you TheCommuter. Maybe all math needs to be explained like this. I actually managed to get half of these formulas by looking at it.

  8. Visit  kcmylorn profile page
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    No matter which belief one holds about the CEO and their compensation as being the cause of the over all healthcare system's fiscal fiasco- we all have to admit: it's just bad management. Isn't that what the CEO goof balls are getting paid big bucks for? LOL They sure aren't doing too good a job for their big paycheck- with all these hospitals closing because of funding issues. I certainly wouldn't want them in my check book!!
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  9. Visit  DoGoodThenGo profile page
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    Quote from kcmylorn
    No matter which belief one holds about the CEO and their compensation as being the cause of the over all healthcare system's fiscal fiasco- we all have to admit: it's just bad management. Isn't that what the CEO goof balls are getting paid big bucks for? LOL They sure aren't doing too good a job for their big paycheck- with all these hospitals closing because of funding issues. I certainly wouldn't want them in my check book!!
    CEOs do not function in a vacuum. They are appointed and held accountable to a board of directors and if a for profit corporation, shareholders. So if you want to go after anyone it should be the board who is charged with overseeing CEOs.

    Again you cannot lay all the funding issues many hospitals are going through at the feet of CEOs.

    Hospitals are not like a factory or private business. In many instances they must provide care for anyone who seeks it of them and worry about payment (if it is made at all) later. Unfunded and under funded care is killing hosptials all over this country, including many in NYC. Providing care regardless of finances or insurance was one of the big things that killed Saint Vinny's. The sisters simply refused to abandon their mission of caring for the poor. It was an open secret one could have major surgery at SV's then cry poor mouth and the bill would be greatly reduced or in cases wiped clean. That is a great thing for some patients, but someone some where has to pay for that care. Sadly hospitals all over the country are finding their hands tied.
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  10. Visit  MochaRN424 profile page
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    I like to speak as a RN that is NOT unemployed by CHOICE? My last position was taken from me back in 2010 because I desired learning opportunities and when that promise was not kept...I desired to go to another department and in turn was told there were no more hours on that floor....And no I was not nasty or unprofessional in anyway...that NM never saw me because she had me on nights (this is another story). I was liked by my peers and patients.

    There were a lot of hours available (MIU) bottom line I dealt with a nurse manager that was not truthful and very dishonest. It had been a year and a half after that and I still was not able to find a position. It had gotten to the point that she told me she would give me a reference and when it came to it she refused (for no reason). I had to go to employee relations for her to stop refusing to give me a reference because it had cost me a position in that same hospital.

    What I would like to say in my case it was a Nurse Manager who has prevented me from obtaining a position. They can say do some real unprofessional and unwarranted things to try to hurt you from advancing in your career and there should be an agency that would police this kind of thing...oh I guess I would need to go back to NYC and have a union backing me. SMH...
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  11. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    Quote from MochaRN424
    I like to speak as a RN that is NOT unemployed by CHOICE? My last position was taken from me back in 2010 because I desired learning opportunities and when that promise was not kept...I desired to go to another department and in turn was told there were no more hours on that floor....And no I was not nasty or unprofessional in anyway...that NM never saw me because she had me on nights (this is another story). I was liked by my peers and patients.

    There were a lot of hours available (MIU) bottom line I dealt with a nurse manager that was not truthful and very dishonest. It had been a year and a half after that and I still was not able to find a position. It had gotten to the point that she told me she would give me a reference and when it came to it she refused (for no reason). I had to go to employee relations for her to stop refusing to give me a reference because it had cost me a position in that same hospital.

    What I would like to say in my case it was a Nurse Manager who has prevented me from obtaining a position. They can say do some real unprofessional and unwarranted things to try to hurt you from advancing in your career and there should be an agency that would police this kind of thing...oh I guess I would need to go back to NYC and have a union backing me. SMH...
    Amen sister! Amazing isn't it? I'm sorry you have gone through this as well....
  12. Visit  mom24tzus profile page
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    TheCommuter,

    I found out a few months ago that I have ADHD (inattentive type) and a learning disability. No one suspected I was having trouble because of my 3.8 GPA. After being an ADN for 20 years, I am finally going back for my BSN. Now I have the tools to help me complete my coursework after four short-lived attempts. I suspected for years something was wrong but was too proud to seek help. Consider looking into testing to make sure something you are not even aware of is holding you back.
    Last edit by mom24tzus on Aug 3, '12 : Reason: omission
  13. Visit  ctmed profile page
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    Quote from MochaRN424
    I like to speak as a RN that is NOT unemployed by CHOICE? My last position was taken from me back in 2010 because I desired learning opportunities and when that promise was not kept...I desired to go to another department and in turn was told there were no more hours on that floor....And no I was not nasty or unprofessional in anyway...that NM never saw me because she had me on nights (this is another story). I was liked by my peers and patients.

    There were a lot of hours available (MIU) bottom line I dealt with a nurse manager that was not truthful and very dishonest. It had been a year and a half after that and I still was not able to find a position. It had gotten to the point that she told me she would give me a reference and when it came to it she refused (for no reason). I had to go to employee relations for her to stop refusing to give me a reference because it had cost me a position in that same hospital.

    What I would like to say in my case it was a Nurse Manager who has prevented me from obtaining a position. They can say do some real unprofessional and unwarranted things to try to hurt you from advancing in your career and there should be an agency that would police this kind of thing...oh I guess I would need to go back to NYC and have a union backing me. SMH...
    Do not feel like the lone ranger. Us CNAs catch it, too. I think it is all in Medical unless you are top end like a MD, OT, PT, CRNA, or NP. Then, you just can't really go further. As we speak, I am fixing to have to quit a job at a facility because it conflicts with COTA school, and they will not work around schedule. In fact, I have been given pretty snide attitudes about me getting better in general. Basically, they do not care, you are floor coverage - RN, LPN, or CNA.
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