No Nursing Shortage At The Present Time - page 17

by TheCommuter Asst. Admin

I am assured that some of you are reading this and saying to yourselves, "Duh! This topic is old hat. We already know there's a glut of nurses in many parts of the country, so why are you writing about this?" Here is my reason... Read More


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    I'm not sure about other states, but many may start to follow CA's laws in regards to using anyone credit report as an employment decision, as it was recently declared "illegal".

    If they do run your credit report, they have to give you full disclosure. The exception would be for those working in certain financial fields or law enforcement, whereby one could be swayed by the draw of possible accessible money.

    AB 22 is similar to the laws in six other states: Hawaii, Washington, Oregon, Illinois, Maryland and Connecticut. I supported this legislation and my last credit score was 759, as I was thinking of buying a used car (dealership), but didn't as I decided to run my 12 year Honda into the ground more.
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    Quote from BennyRNCA
    I'm not sure about other states, but many may start to follow CA's laws in regards to using anyone credit report as an employment decision, as it was recently declared "illegal".

    If they do run your credit report, they have to give you full disclosure. The exception would be for those working in certain financial fields or law enforcement, whereby one could be swayed by the draw of possible accessible money.

    AB 22 is similar to the laws in six other states: Hawaii, Washington, Oregon, Illinois, Maryland and Connecticut. I supported this legislation and my last credit score was 759, as I was thinking of buying a used car (dealership), but didn't as I decided to run my 12 year Honda into the ground more.
    It is not totally "illegal" to request a credit report on an applicant for employment in CA. There are several situations where an employer still may do so including if the position involves access to person's DOB, SSN and financial information. Also an employer may request a report if the governmnet (one assumes federal but could also be CA) requires. California Joins States Restricting Use of Credit Reports for Employment Purposes | Littler Mendelson | Publications

    Nursing staff/healthcare workers at many facilites all over the USA do have access to SSNs, DOBs and other personal financial/credit history. Indeed within certain states such as Florida ID theft of medical records/personal patient information has almost reached plague level. You also see in the news more and more nurses being arrested for ID theft after using patient's SSNs and or financial information.

    Should these trends continue it is not unreasonable for owner's of healthcare facilities to head things off at the past and seek from Congress to put some or all positions as part of those where the federal government mandates or at least allows credit reports as part of the employment screening process.
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    Quote from Sweet_Wild_Rose
    Re: Credit cards

    Someone once told me this tip: Put your cards on ice. Literally. As in, put them in a container of water and put it in the freezer. Makes you really think things over as to whether you really need whatever it is you're going to put on the credit card as it thaws out. Beats accumulating a lot of debt you wouldn't have had otherwise!

    That is what I have always done - you have to really think about it before spending.

    Back to the nursing shortage that doesn't exist - I'm really tired of arguing with people who think nursing is "recession proof"
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    Quote from DoGoodThenGo
    It is not totally "illegal" to request a credit report on an applicant for employment in CA. There are several situations where an employer still may do so including if the position involves access to person's DOB, SSN and financial information. Also an employer may request a report if the governmnet (one assumes federal but could also be CA) requires. California Joins States Restricting Use of Credit Reports for Employment Purposes | Littler Mendelson | Publications

    Nursing staff/healthcare workers at many facilites all over the USA do have access to SSNs, DOBs and other personal financial/credit history. Indeed within certain states such as Florida ID theft of medical records/personal patient information has almost reached plague level. You also see in the news more and more nurses being arrested for ID theft after using patient's SSNs and or financial information.

    Should these trends continue it is not unreasonable for owner's of healthcare facilities to head things off at the past and seek from Congress to put some or all positions as part of those where the federal government mandates or at least allows credit reports as part of the employment screening process.
    Furthermore to that:

    A quick read of further research into CA's new restrictions on employers using credit reports as a screening tool generally allows them for any employee that will have access to information that could be used for "ID theft".

    In of itself that is a very broad category of workers, but most surely covers nurses and many other healthcare and administrative workers in a variety of clinical settings ranging from prisons/jails to hospitals to nursing homes and all that is in between. Even physican offices and clinics one assumes would be covered. UAP's if they are totally restricted from charting and or otherwise having any access to patient records in theory could argue a credit report as part of their employment screening is now illegal in CA. However aides and other UAPs in many places do have access to patient's bedside tables, wallets, purses and for that matter anyone else's inside a facility.
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    Quote from Sweet_Wild_Rose
    Re: Credit cards

    Someone once told me this tip: Put your cards on ice. Literally. As in, put them in a container of water and put it in the freezer. Makes you really think things over as to whether you really need whatever it is you're going to put on the credit card as it thaws out. Beats accumulating a lot of debt you wouldn't have had otherwise!
    Personally whenever am going to make a purchase that one really does not require always hear Big Momma's voice from my youth in my head saying "put that back, you don't need it". When I countered "but I'm paying for it with my own money...", part two of the comment follows "so, stop letting that money burn a hole in your pocket. it's not what you earn but what you save..'

    Works almost every time.
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    Quote from DoGoodThenGo
    It is not totally "illegal" to request a credit report on an applicant for employment in CA. There are several situations where an employer still may do so including if the position involves access to person's DOB, SSN and financial information. Also an employer may request a report if the governmnet (one assumes federal but could also be CA) requires. California Joins States Restricting Use of Credit Reports for Employment Purposes | Littler Mendelson | Publications

    Nursing staff/healthcare workers at many facilites all over the USA do have access to SSNs, DOBs and other personal financial/credit history. Indeed within certain states such as Florida ID theft of medical records/personal patient information has almost reached plague level. You also see in the news more and more nurses being arrested for ID theft after using patient's SSNs and or financial information.

    Should these trends continue it is not unreasonable for owner's of healthcare facilities to head things off at the past and seek from Congress to put some or all positions as part of those where the federal government mandates or at least allows credit reports as part of the employment screening process.
    Exactly, the point is that even states like FL that do pull credit reports, still doesn't deter anyone from using the personal information of an individual to be used for illegal purposes.

    What I guess I'm trying to get at, is that one's terrible credit history does not mean one good nurse is a bad risk. Things happen that can happen to anyone, including you, such as a death in the family, a nasty divorce, a medical setback, having to care of some one in the family (parent(s), kid's, spouses that's not covered by insurance), things that can affect one's income or savings. I've seen people with FICO scores go from 800 to 600 or below, given one or even two of the factors I mentioned.

    Some of these things are beyond anyone's control.

    You can't put everyone with a bad credit score as a "don't hire, he/she is a thief or a no-good person to be trusted" category on that basis. It's unfair to me. I would rather base a person on his work history, references from previous employers and supervisors, other character references, criminal background checks.
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    [color=#333333]and the big lie continues.
    health care industry will create 5.6 million more jobs by 2020: study
    [color=#333333]
    [color=#333333] the occupation poised to grow the most is nursing ... the nursing field will grow by 26 percent [color=#333333]between now and 2020, but that still won't allow for enough nurses to meet demand -- there will be an 800,000 nurse shortfall, the study found.

    Last edit by boomertx on Jul 10, '12 : Reason: visual appeal
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    Reading the comments below that Huffington post article you can tell the readers are buying the premise hook, line and sinker. It's a great example of why we keep trying to bring the other side into the narrative, regardless of some people's opinions that we're making a big deal out of normal ebbs and flows in hiring related to the economy.
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    But up a link to the full Georgetown University study that prompted all the news coverage in the "News" forum. Hopefully it will be up soon as the mods approve.

    It really is an interesting study and a good read. It's over one hundred and so pages, so get some coffee and snacks. *LOL*

    Report lays out some predictions if true will truly rock nursing as many of y'all know it. For one it predicts unless steps are taken minorities will be at a disadvantage in future to becoming RNs. They base this on the increasing educational requirements expected of RNs (in short the BSN) which place an emphasis on math and sciences. Two subjects historically which Latino and African American students do poorly on average.
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    Thanks, DGTG - the links from the HuffPo page weren't in working condition. I'll get a hot beverage and some comfy slippers . . .
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