Never understood nursing - page 11

I know this is my first post on your forum, and I am a guest here. But I hopefully can get some answers to a problem that has seemed to plague me since I started practicing in medicine. I am hoping... Read More

  1. by   kellerpatty
    Quote from nd_mom
    I think just like you and I the OP came here to vent. Why should it be thrown back in his face. We all need to vent every now and then!
    Why is a PA (as in physician's ASSISTANT?) venting on a nurses' website? That's like me going over to a PA website and telling them all what a bunch of losers they are...wouldn't go over very well. Maybe I missed something, but just asking...
  2. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from kellerpatty
    Why is a PA (as in physician's ASSISTANT?) venting on a nurses' website? That's like me going over to a PA website and telling them all what a bunch of losers they are...wouldn't go over very well. Maybe I missed something, but just asking...
    Yes, I agree. Why indeed?
  3. by   SFNurseC&S
    Quote from kadokin
    HHMMM . . .
    "Save MD's butts constantly and do lots of dirty work"
    Sounds a lot like nursing
    What do they want, a medal?
    Hi,

    I've only done MED/SURG. in nursing school. I do clinical nursing. I just think burn out is high with some RN's. If I have more self confidence in myself when i was younger I would have gone for RN instead of MA and LVN. However, I wouldn't have gotten the great job I have now if I was an RN because they don't have to pay me as much.

    Thanks for reading this.
  4. by   TazziRN
    I have met a lot of sweet PAs too, as well as doctors. I have also met quite a few doctors and some PAs who are jerks, treating nurses like handmaidens and airheads, like we know nothing and are there to bow to their every wishes. I am not saying the OP did not meet nurses who treated him badly. I do, however, think that if he met THAT many nurses who treated him badly, then he probably bears some of the responsibility for it. And while I can see nurses making a jerky intern/resident/PA/doctor's life miserable because of how he/she treats them, I can't see those nurses (at least, not as many as he claims) endangering pt's lives by doing things like delaying morphine and nitro for cardiac pts.
  5. by   goats'r'us
    Quote from kellerpatty
    Why is a PA (as in physician's ASSISTANT?) venting on a nurses' website? That's like me going over to a PA website and telling them all what a bunch of losers they are...wouldn't go over very well. Maybe I missed something, but just asking...
    Quote from mercyteapot
    Yes, I agree. Why indeed?
    well, if we're going to be like that, then why are medics, techs, lay people etc allowed to post here without being lynched? i've even seen posts from a vet's assistant! you can't just pick out one group and say they aren't allowed to post in your neighbourhood, it's like having a christian site and saying 'everyone welcome - except jews'. the site's not made for them, but they're still allowed to come look around!

    i may not agree with what he is saying, but i will defend to the death his right to say it.

    i think we all need to step back and get some perspective. this thread's getting a bit heated, and it's over silly things.

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  6. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from goats'r'us
    well, if we're going to be like that, then why are medics, techs, lay people etc allowed to post here without being lynched? i've even seen posts from a vet's assistant! you can't just pick out one group and say they aren't allowed to post in your neighbourhood, it's like having a christian site and saying 'everyone welcome - except jews'. the site's not made for them, but they're still allowed to come look around!

    i may not agree with what he is saying, but i will defend to the death his right to say it.

    i think we all need to step back and get some perspective. this thread's getting a bit heated, and it's over silly things.

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    It is illogical to come to a nursing board, trash nursing and then wonder why on earth some of the nurses who visit here seem to be offended. If venting is what was intended, it would have made far more sense for the OP to go vent on a site of his peers. If, on the other hand, as he said, he actually wanted to solicit the perspective of nurses, then that's what he has accomplished. That some of those perspectives haven't been particularly friendly really ought not to surprise him, given the tone of his post. I wonder why you'll defend ''to the death'' (a bit dramatic, IMHO) his right to say what he wants and then chastise other posters for doing the exact same thing.
  7. by   PACPhD
    I am sorry I was not able to reply for a couple of days. I had been working and didn't have a minute. Let me try to encompass everything said and asked from all of you. I am from NY and we do tend to "tell it like it is without sugar coating it". Just our style. To make myself very clear, I have so much respect for nurses, the ones I work with, many, and I mean many I have worked with in the past, and my wife, she is one of the best. What I was asking, and listen carefully as quite a number of you have missed this part, is how has the management of at least 6 or 7 of those hospital, as well as their co-workers allowed that kind of atmosphere to go on? They knew, they didn't just turn their backs, the condoned it. One hospital I worked in, an 80 y/o with a broken hip asked me for a bed pan. Not my patient, just happened to be put in the room. It was policy that a male did not undress a female and put a bed pan under them by themselves. I went to the desk of the main ED and asked the nurse if she coulld put a bed pan under the patient. She turned to me and said "Why do you go tell her to go piss on herself". I had to pick my jaw up from the floor. I had no idea how to respond. Not a problem because she turned and walked away and sat at the desk. I went back to the fast track and called the nursing administrator of the hospital. I told her exactly what the nurse had said to me, and her response was "well why can't you do it?". I asked her if she found it aceptable that her nurse spoke to me that way, she said, well, there is no reason you can't do it". It wans't even my patient, and she had no problem with the way her nurse spoke to me, and about the patient.
    So you wonder why I don't write nurses up? Partially because of that, partially because at the ED where they ripped up my scripts, a few nurses went to the director and made a complaint that my supervising physician told me not to give narcotics to a patient and I waited for his shift to end, told the patient "just wait until he is out of here and I will get you narcotics" and then asked the next doctor to come on for an ok for narcotics. First, I can order any narcotics I want, and I can't imagine what I would get out of telling that to a patient. The director and I had been close friends and he said "it's time for you to find another place. It's not you, it's them, and the next thing you are going to find is some viles of morphine in your locker". I was out of there in a heartbeat. As far as the docs backing me in the horrible ED in Virginia, about 90% of them (there were about 2 out of the 50 docs in my group to back me) said, I am sorry, I can't get on the nurses bad side. I have to work here and it is bad enough what they do to you, I can't work as a physician where the nurses are treating my like that".
    What does my wife think? She worked in Virginia with me. She knows the hell I went through there. She started out in the midwest and on her first job in oncology, a nurse asked her to give a medication. She was on the job for only 6 months. There ended up being a question on the physician actually giving the orders. The nurses in the unit denied ever telling my wife to give the medicastion. She was asked to leave. She happened to be blond, young, and cute, and that can sometimes be the kiss of death to a new grad (at least I have been told this by a few in the medical field). I wouldn't know, I don't think I am cute so I never had that problem.
    I am surprised that many of you have had similar situations. I am surprised that many of you have found some, and the emphesis is on SOME nurses as horrible as I have. I guess I had thought maybe it was just me.
    For those that have missed the post where I told you my perception of how I treat nurses, I have never had a formal complaint from a nurse in 10 years, and only one from a patient for not giving him a cast for his "sprain". If I thought myself better than the staff, then I would obviously have the same response at my current hospital. I hear at least once a shift when someone comes into the room "Oh, your working tonight, thank god, here's to a good night". Their words, not mine.
    I just want to thank you all for listening to me. No, I am not sitting here having a good laugh at your expenses as some of you think. Just wanted to vent, and get some feedback. Can't get that from the horses mouth on the PA forum....
  8. by   goats'r'us
    Quote from mercyteapot
    I wonder why you'll defend ''to the death'' (a bit dramatic, IMHO)
    it's a famous quote from Voltaire. sorry, assumed everyone would know that.
  9. by   Abbies
    [quote=PACPhD]As far as the docs backing me in the horrible ED in Virginia, about 90% of them (there were about 2 out of the 50 docs in my group to back me) said, I am sorry, I can't get on the nurses bad side. I have to work here and it is bad enough what they do to you, I can't work as a physician where the nurses are treating my like that".

    I once worked in a toxic and unsafe environment and my efforts to educate, document and report to the administration fell flat. I left after 2 months and reported the facility to the State. I quess what I'm trying to say is that if you see an unsafe situation, you are obligated to report it, even to write up your co-workers. I don't agree that one should "get along" with certain people because they "have" to work with them.

    Abbies,
    PS nurses rock
  10. by   catlady
    Quote from PACPhD
    What does my wife think? She worked in Virginia with me. She knows the hell I went through there. She started out in the midwest and on her first job in oncology, a nurse asked her to give a medication. She was on the job for only 6 months. There ended up being a question on the physician actually giving the orders. The nurses in the unit denied ever telling my wife to give the medicastion. She was asked to leave. She happened to be blond, young, and cute, and that can sometimes be the kiss of death to a new grad (at least I have been told this by a few in the medical field). I wouldn't know, I don't think I am cute so I never had that problem.
    Are there any more stereotypes you'd like to bring to the discussion???

    I haven't responded to you until now, but the "blond, young, and cute" comment just frosted my toenails. Your wife's problem isn't that she's too beautiful for the rest of us, it's that she was too stupid not to give a medication without checking the order. No nurse just gives a medication on the say-so of another nurse; they verify the order or at least the MAR. But dang, it must be cuz she's just so purty...us uglies is jus' jealous.
  11. by   kellerpatty
    Quote from goats'r'us
    well, if we're going to be like that, then why are medics, techs, lay people etc allowed to post here without being lynched? i've even seen posts from a vet's assistant! you can't just pick out one group and say they aren't allowed to post in your neighbourhood, it's like having a christian site and saying 'everyone welcome - except jews'. the site's not made for them, but they're still allowed to come look around!

    i may not agree with what he is saying, but i will defend to the death his right to say it.

    i think we all need to step back and get some perspective. this thread's getting a bit heated, and it's over silly things.

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    Oh, please...lighten up! There's no way you can compare someone asking why a PA is on a ALLnurses.com website to discrimination based on religion or race. Talk about stepping back and getting "some perspective". I am a registered nurse, I come to ALLnurses.com to hear from other nurses...period. Maybe it should be posted somewhere that this site is NOT ALL nurses, but anyone who wants to stick their thumb in the pudding...sheesh...is there a site out there where these little "holier-than-thou" non-nurses don't appear?

    P.S. Voltaire yes, but still a little dramatic...I prefer Tacticus
    P.S.S. "Lynched" is rather a strong word to use regarding people just practicing their right to free speech...as you have done
    Last edit by kellerpatty on Aug 18, '06
  12. by   ern91
    I've been reading this this thread and the replies for 2 days now and all I can say is the majority of the replies serves to indicate the OP'S negative experiences are true. Oh....exuse me... let me qualify that. In my opinion ,
    the majority of the replies.......... Some of you sound like the nurses he's
    describing. Whether you believe this or not, I've worked with people in our profession who are quite capable of,and have, behaved as he has described.
    Ya'll (and you know who you are) are mean.

    To the moderators of this forum: Thank you for allowing such colorful debate
  13. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from goats'r'us
    it's a famous quote from Voltaire. sorry, assumed everyone would know that.
    Yes. I know the quote. That's why I used quotation marks. I still think it was overdramatic and out of place in this particular discussion.

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