NA's not professionals - page 6

I was the recipient of a complaint yesterday from another employee. An NA told me she had been called off before her shift and told on the phone that instead of having her work, the floor would run... Read More

  1. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Here is a copy and paste from my own website-

    "Rebadee, who originally posted this poem on the AOL LPN message board, says 'The original, that was about black not liking white and vice versa, and rich not liking poor, one religion not liking another etc., was an old poem from the early 60s, I believe, and the author was 'unknown'. I changed it up to fit the nursing arguments that have been appearing on the boards. I can't take credit for the overall theme of the poem.' "


    *SEVEN NURSES*

    contributed by Rebadee

    Seven nurses trapped by happenstance
    In the dark and bitter cold.
    Each one possessed a stick of wood,
    Or so the story's told.
    Their dying fire in need of logs,
    The first nurse held hers tight.
    For on the faces around the fire,
    Was that's a nurse who works at night.
    The night nurse looking cross the way,
    Saw one not of her shift,
    And wouldn't give her stick of wood
    To give the fire a lift.
    The third nurse noticed in the group
    One that wanted to unionize,
    "Why should I use my stick of wood
    To warm someone I despise?"
    The management nurse sat in deep thought,
    (Her mind not on the fire)
    Of ways to stretch this small staff
    Without having to hire.
    The floor nurse's face bespoke revenge
    as the fire passed from sight,
    For all she saw in her stick of wood
    Was a chance for spite tonight.
    The nurse with the BSN sat and watched
    As the fire began to dim.
    "My degree is more important than his
    I'll put mine in after him."
    The last nurse of this forlorn group
    Did naught except for gain
    Giving only to those who gave
    Was how he played the game.
    The logs held tight in death's still hands
    Was proof of how we sin.
    They didn't die from the cold without,
    They died from--THE COLD WITHIN.
  2. by   RN4Nascar
    Quote from StanleyRW



    I assure you that just because your job is more technical than ours, it is not harder. Not physically, mentally or emotionally. It is different but that's it.
    While I thank you for your miltary service... regarding this statement..I worked as a CNA also, and now am an RN. Youve got a lot , a whole lot to learn ref to RN's job is not harder. You just wait and see. You've got a rude awakening coming if you think this.
    CNA, RN, LPN....to be are all professions in my eye, because its a career, but some are not professional acting.
    Where I work TALKING DOWN to someone is not tolerated. When I was a CNA, we ALL worked together..titles seemed to go out the window.
  3. by   ShayRN
    Quote from StanleyRW
    While you may be certainly correct, it is the training, not the degree, that gives the nurse that boost. And the environment. There ARE places in the world where aides/tech do just what a nurse does and a new grad with a shiny BSN is absolutely less trained than a CNA and less useful. An experienced nurse is just a CNA with more technical knowledge and responsibility.

    This stupid argument has been going on forever. BSN's assuming they were better than ADN's or Diploma nurses. CNA's think they are better than Home Health Aides. Doctor's think they are better than everyone. It's elitist crap.

    As far as saying I shouldn't get easily offended or I would be a bad nurse. LOL. My patience extends to patients and their family. Supposed mature and 'educated' adult coworkers get only the consideration they show. Just because I am in nursing school doesn't mean I'm going to be a docile sheep. Maybe that's why male aides and nurses don't have quite the same problem with respect from male doctors as many females I know do. Shrug.

    By the way, if anyone choose to be elitist to my face, I may not slap them as I am no criminal, but I would dress them down, put them in their place, shut them up and move on.

    Best DON I ever had was a Diploma nurse lol. Worst one had a MSN. *Shrug*
    I am very, very surprised by this attitude from a military man. My brother is a Lt. Col. in the Air Force. Should he consider an enlisted man his superior officer? There is hierarchy in every work setting. You have people you must answer to no matter where you work.

    Also, sorry to tell you this but...You do owe your co-workers some consideration. Like it or not they will be the ones that will be there to bail your butt out on the nights when you just can't think straight. More than one night I have told another nurse or aide to just leave the floor while I pass their meds or clean a patient for them. Some nights they have done it for me. I don't think you will completely understand until your there.
  4. by   Mulan
    Quote from StanleyRW
    There ARE places in the world where aides/tech do just what a nurse does and a new grad with a shiny BSN is absolutely less trained than a CNA and less useful. *Shrug*

    and where exactly are these places?
  5. by   RN4Nascar
    Quote from StanleyRW
    Maybe that's why male aides and nurses don't have quite the same problem with respect from male doctors as many females I know do. Shrug.
    I have no problem getting respect from male doctors nor do any of the other female RNs I know.
    Im sorry but I have a feeling you just think your superior over a lot of people you work with. Not a real healthy attitude for a military person.
    Well someday when you do become an RN, I hope you lose that mindset, because someone will put ya in your place.
  6. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from StanleyRW
    . There ARE places in the world where aides/tech do just what a nurse does and a new grad with a shiny BSN is absolutely less trained than a CNA and less useful. An experienced nurse is just a CNA with more technical knowledge and responsibility.
    Hahaha

    I just had to laugh out loud. An experienced cna is more useful than a nurse??? If you really believe this, then you are FAR more naive than we have originally thought.

    I was a PCT for 10 years. Did all kinds of stuff. Intrepreted EKGs, phlebotomy, ambulated pts with epicardial pacers/chest tubes..... Thought I was the best tech ever. I thought, really thought, that I was better than most of the nurses that I worked with. I was wrong beyond any comprehension. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

    Boy, I cringe at the thought of how I behaved as a tech. I am embarrased beyond belief that I thought this way.

    How sad. I can only be humble now in my position as a nurse.

    But you will never in a million years convince anyone that a CNA is better than a nurse...well, you might convince a few CNAs.

    If you DO ever become a nurse (although I'd love to see how your attitiude goes over in Nursing school) then you will surely be eating your words. That is, if you can survive your first year as a nurse.

    And my husband is a veteran from the first Gulf war, and most of my family are vets, so I can say how disgusted I am that you chose to say the things you say on this website (like using violence when someone says something you don't agree with) How disrespectful...
  7. by   Agnus
    Quote from Jabramac
    I was the recipient of a complaint yesterday from another employee. An NA told me she had been called off before her shift and told on the phone that instead of having her work, the floor would run with “3 professionals.” She took offence at the notion that she was being referred to as not being “professional.” While I understand the callers true meaning was RN’s and had nothing to do with “professionalism” it non-the-less offended the NA.

    I then wrote an e-mail to all the people who may be calling staff off and informed them that this might be offensive and we should monitor ourselves with what we say and to whom. I got a response back from a manager stating that this is an industry term and the NA needs to be “talked to.” She also asked me to provide the name of the NA.

    Personally I know it that the meaning of “professionals” was not meant to be offensive and only referred to RN’s. But, perhaps it’s more offensive then I think? I would like to hear from some NA’s if they would find it offenses that RN’s are referred to as “professionals” and NA’s are not.

    Tonight I have to decide how to respond to the mangers e-mail with out turning it into a huge issue, but still respecting the NA.
    Ok "talking to" someone because they were offended!! What does she hope to accomplish? (putting her in her place?) We are talking about tender feelings a tender ego. "talking to" her is not going to make her anymore receptive.

    Management need to take the high road. Use another term. RN is an industry term. Use it. For that matter RN is a more accurate term. Professional could mean a lot of things. The business world love to obscure things with its language. Plain simple straight forward language is the best. Say exactly what you mean rather than the latest popular "industry" jargon.

    If it is not easily understood by everyone (not just everyone in the industry) it is jargon and does not even belong in the professional's vocab. (in this case it is not understood by everyone in the industry)
    Last edit by Agnus on Nov 17, '07
  8. by   ERRNTraveler
    Quote from cardiacRN2006
    Hahaha

    I just had to laugh out loud. An experienced cna is more useful than a nurse??? If you really believe this, then you are FAR more naive than we have originally thought.
    :yeahthat:
  9. by   Athenas83
    Quote from StanleyRW
    An experienced nurse is just a CNA with more technical knowledge and responsibility.

    oh my god ......WRONG
  10. by   Atheos
    Lol.

    First off I said an experienced CNA was better than a shiny new grad BSN. It's true. New grads are not up to par. Not their fault.

    Second. The point about feeling superior? I do feel superior over bad employees, but that is neither here nor there. A bad employee is a bad employee.

    Third. I said 'when I was in the army I would have slapped someone.. blah blah' and a college educated person should be able to spot someone being facetious.

    Fourth. Disrespect? I joined the military so I could say whatever I wanted? As far as your husband in GW1, good I respect veterans, but insofar as violence goes, you are married to a violent man. Violence is violence justified or not. Terrorism or war. Crime or 'justice.' Being married to a man that served to protect freedom and then trying to cow me into your way of thinking could be called disrespectful.

    Fifth. I never said nursing wasn't hard. College should teach critical reading skills. Just not harder. I assure your 16 hour shorthanded shift is not harder than the cna's 16 hour shorthanded shift. I don't see as many nurses with work related injuries as I do aides.

    Nursing aides, orderlies, and attendants--a subset of the occupational group nursing, psychiatric, and home health aides--consistently ranked among the detailed occupations reporting the most cases of workplace injuries and illnesses during the 1995-2004 period. In 2004, for example, nursing aides, orderlies, and attendants reported the third highest number of injuries and illnesses. Only truck drivers (heavy and tractor-trailer) and laborers and material movers (hand) had more cases.

    http://www.bls.gov/opub/cwc/sh20060628ar01p1.htm
    *Shrug* So harder, mentally maybe, physically not even close. Mental stress heals quicker than physical. Some people seem offended(sorry for offending you) that I might consider nursing not much harder than what CNAs go through. Tell me one thing that makes nursing hard. I will reply with an equally hard situation that is comparable in a 'lesser' field. Critical thinking is critical thinking. Split second decisions are split second decisions. Life or death is in the hands of many people.

    Sixth. Coworker's get the consideration they deserve. I treat everyone respectfully and considerately. Until they are rude, mean, elitist, jerks or inconsiderate. Of course, sometimes there are mitigating circumstances. Sometimes not. Those people will not get my consideration. Also, I would like to point out that those inconsiderate people WON'T support you in anything. They are inconsiderate.

    Seven. It is doubtful anyone got their BSN to "be a professional." More likely it was for more responsibility or options or money or advancement or desire.


    My original post was intended to show that not nurses are not 'better' than aides, no matter what your 'school' taught you. It was not to suggest aides are better than nurses.

    So let me conclude my part on this thread with the following facts of my world.

    Yes, your education is superior.
    Yes, your expertise may be superior.
    Yes, your responsibility and risk is superior.
    Yes, nurses have saved my behind many times.
    Yes, I think nurses are in the same special class of people like teachers and saints.
    Yes, CNA's and Tech are too.
    Yes, I can't wait until I am a nurse.
    Yes, I hope I can handle the new responsibilities of nursing.

    No you are not superior.
    No, you are not going to treat us with disrespect.

    No, people don't get respect because of a title. It is earned and it is mutual.
    No, you don't have to respect a CNA because we demand it. Respect us for doing a good job.
    No, not all CNA's are good. Neither are nurses.

    Teams survive by being a team. The quarterback is not better than the linebacker or the waterboy. The doctor is equal to the nurse AND the CNA. If one part of the team fails, the whole team fails.

    :spin: Shrug
  11. by   ERRNTraveler
    Quote from StanleyRW

    Yes, I can't wait until I am a nurse.
    I can't wait until you're a nurse, either, because maybe then you will realize just how wrong you are.... I hope you can come back to this thread after you have been an RN for a year, and have a good laugh at how naive you have been, because I can guarantee you the the experienced RN's reading this are all having a good chuckle at what you've written- I am
  12. by   UM Review RN
    Quote from ERRNTraveler
    I can't wait until you're a nurse, either, because maybe then you will realize just how wrong you are.... I hope you can come back to this thread after you have been an RN for a year, and have a good laugh at how naive you have been, because I can guarantee you the the experienced RN's reading this are all having a good chuckle at what you've written- I am

    I'm not amused, I'm more than a tad annoyed that the work that nurses do has become so invisible (to borrow the phrase from Gordon).

    How can we ever hope to educate the public about what nurses do if we cannot even educate our coworkers?
  13. by   ERRNTraveler
    Quote from Angie O'Plasty, RN
    I'm not amused, I'm more than a tad annoyed that the work that nurses do has become so invisible (to borrow the phrase from Gordon).

    How can we ever hope to educate the public about what nurses do if we cannot even educate our coworkers?
    It irritates me, too, but I also have to laugh at the things this person has written- it's obvious that trying to change his mind is a waste of breath, so perhaps if & when he becomes an RN he'll see what we mean.

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