Is my short career over?

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  1. Is my short career over?

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      No, get back in the saddle and ride!
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      No, but you need more education!
    • 34
      No, volunteer for Free Health Clinic!
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      No, get your experience in Somalia!
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      Yes, just retire already!

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ladies and gentlemen, i am having great difficulty deciding if my nascent career is, or should be, over. please be kind enough to tell me what you think. i am an rn with an as who recently graduated nursing school with distinction and a gpa of 3.9. i passed my nclex on the first try, in 1.5 hours, with 75 questions. i am acls certified. but, in school, they told me "nurses eat their young", and i have come to believe it's true. i'm not young; i was 58 years old at graduation, but young in the profession.

within a month of passing my boards, i found employment with a dialysis clinic, as a dialysis nurse and team leader. after a training period, they promised i would soon be charge for my shift, assess patients, pass meds, and supervise four techs.

unfortunately, they had my subordinates train me. i was thrown into the lion's den. my subordinates were techs with only 6 weeks of informal training from the company, but had many years of valuable experience. they seemed anxious to let me know that while i would be their team leader, they had no respect for me because of my lack of experience, and that they really ran the show. it was more like hazing than training. i would see them give a patient 250 ml of ns, go for a lunch break, and fail to chart it. when i suggested they needed to chart it before they left, they'd say, "you aren't the nurse yet, and you probably won't last long enough to ever be the nurse." i refrained from reminding them that while i might not have been "the" nurse, i was indeed a nurse, and tried to get along with them, thinking i could address this when i became charge.

they kept me busy with scut work, emptying the infectious waste trash and cleaning up blood off the floor, while they treated the patients. after a month of this, i complained to the clinic manager that i wasn't going to become proficient in treating dialysis patients by emptying everybody's trash cans. i needed to actually perform dialysis on patients. then the clinic manager put a stop to the cinderella treatment, and insisted they give me some hands on experience.

each day i had a different tech preceptor. everyone had their own way of doing things. each day my preceptor would complain that the way yesterday's preceptor told me to do things was wrong, and insist i must do it their way instead. i learned the principals of dialysis, the appropriate responses to dialysis related emergencies, how to access a "button hole", how to access a fistula, and became proficient at catheter care.

it was a crazy way to set it up, but they also had these tech preceptors evaluating my performance. even though i tried to be pleasant, they really didn't like me and i think they just resented having a newbie come in as their supervisor. their evaluations were less than flattering, insofar as they complained i was "slow in the performance of tasks". as my 3 month anniversary came near, the clinic manager told me that i was "too slow."

i explained that i had still not had much experience and that i would get faster with time. i also asked, "do you want me to be fast, or do you want me to be careful?" she said what she wanted both, immediately, and otherwise maybe i should resign. so, i resigned, but very gracefully, saying i was sorry it didn't seem to be working out, and that i had great admiration for the job she did, and the way she did it. i live in a small town, so burning bridges isn't a good idea. besides i did admire her, she was capable and had been kind to me. i did frankly tell her she should not be dismayed if my coworkers spoke badly of me, because they also spoke badly of her. the rest of the staff smiled in her face while making cruel remarks about her behind her back. she said she knew this. i also mentioned that it was probably an ill-conceived company policy to be trained by subordinates. she agreed, wished me well, and we parted on good terms.

within a week i was working again, this time at a community clinic with a low level of acuity. i was treating a broad spectrum of patients, pediatrics, geriatrics, diabetes clinic, surgical clinic, as well as women's health and pre-natal patients. in my first month there i learned how to perform many poc lab tests such as rapid strep, flu tests, rsv tests, urinalysis, pregnancy tests, a1c and accu checks. i learned how to assist in minor surgeries and pelvic exams and do prenatal non stress tests, ecgs and learned the pediatric immunization schedule.

everything seemed to be going along fine until, in my second month, i made my first ever med error. i had a baby who had turned 6 months old the day before he came to the clinic. his mother brought him in because she wanted him to have an influenza immunization. our "standing order" protocol dictated that if he were less than 6 months old he should get a divided dose, 2.5 ml now, and another 2.5 ml in a month. if he were more than 6 months old, he should, instead, have gotten one single 5 ml dose. as it happened i was distracted by people bustling around me, my preceptor talking to me, reaching around me to get into the med press, the unit clerk coming and taking over my computer while i was trying to look at the computer's calculation of his age, etc. i was also dehydrated, tired and rushed. i miscalculated the baby's age, thinking him one day younger than 6 months instead of one day older than 6 months. i gave him the 2.5 ml dose that would have been appropriate if he had come in two days earlier. the child was under dosed. i had only been there two months, and i still had a preceptor watching me, but she didn't notice anything out of the way, either, until it was too late.

well, anyone who has ever made a med error knows the whirlwind of reports that follow. i made out all the reports. i called the baby's mother at home and explained to her that i had made a mistake, but that it should not harm the child, except insofar as he would need to come back for the second dose. she was very kind. my preceptor dressed me down and wasn't satisfied until she reduced me to tears.

the don was livid and demanded to know why this happened. i explained that i had not been given a break, was fatigued, dehydrated, and the clinic was busy with people bustling about, and that a computer was not available to me to look up the child's exact age. she asked what could be done to prevent recurrences of this in the future. i suggested that the nurses should be given a 10 minute break in the morning and another in the afternoon so that we could refresh our minds, use the bathroom, and have something to drink, since drinks were not allowed on the floor. i also suggested that nurses drawing meds should be given a "quiet zone" around their computer for the few minutes they were drawing them. she said, "well, you're not going to get that! so forget it!" "and", the don added, "you are still on probation, you don't get to make mistakes! i'd better not hear of anything else going wrong, or you're out!"

the don also dressed down my preceptor, saying that she should have caught this error before it occurred. my preceptor thereafter became very hypercritical and no longer seemed willing to train me, actually ridiculing me whenever i asked for information. i apologized to all profusely and hoped i would be forgiven, but i felt i was never forgiven. very shortly after, i was so miserable, i resigned again.

i then decided that i needed a hysterectomy, before i got another job, because i had a prolapse and had been waiting for a hysterectomy since before nursing school, never having enough time off to do it. so i took that opportunity. my recovery was complicated by cellulitis of the cuff, and my doctor didn't clear me to go back to work for 4 months. but i didn't look for another job just yet, because my daughter's wedding, scheduled to take place on the other side of the continent, would be happening soon. i thought a new employer would never give me time off to go to her wedding, so i waited 3 more months. very soon after that, my brother in law, (of 43 years), was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer with mets, and i flew across the country to help my sister care for him until died, which occurred just last week.

now i find that i have been out of nursing school for 21 months, and have only worked a total of 6 months, at two different jobs! i spent 3 months waiting for nclex, 3 months working dialysis, 3 months working the clinic, and 11 months being unemployed, reticent, and trying to fathom my future. i'm very discouraged and actually afraid to go back to nursing. i also don't know how i can be smooth in an interview when i have failed so miserably at both jobs. i was slow at one and incompetent at the other.

einstein said, "anybody who has never made a mistake has never tried to do anything new." that's true, but maybe i'm not fit for nursing, even though i enjoyed scholastic achievement. nursing school teaches you how to be a good student, but only experience teaches you how to be a good nurse.

just last week a headhunter called and asked me if i would consider going back to the same dialysis clinic, this time as the clinic manager, since my former clinic manager had resigned. i thought about it for only 30 seconds and said, "no." i remember how the nurses and techs who worked for that clinic manager spoke evil of her behind her back. when she was not in earshot they called her a fat, ugly, old *****. i ventured to ask them how that was relevant to her job. they said, "well, she doesn't do her job very well either." actually i thought she did pretty well, i did admire her. i can imagine how those techs and nurses would treat me, who they viewed as slow, inexperienced and incompetent. they would tear me apart. and they'd be impossible to manage. it would be mutiny.

if i did go back to nursing, i wouldn't know how to smooth all this into a productive interview. and i don't know what to say in interview about the long hiatus. maybe my patients are better off having a different nurse. i have no self-confidence about it. is there anything else i can do with my degree and license? would an insurance company take me as a case manager? or do they want a lot of experience?

on the other hand, i have enough money and there is a free clinic that operates solely with volunteer staff in my town. maybe they would more patiently precept me, since my labor would be free, and maybe i could get a year's experience there, and become a more astute nurse.

any suggestions on how i might salvage my career? i do have very nice letters of reference from my clinical instructers in nursing school, as well as some of the mds and rns that i worked with at the community clinic. i'm sorry this was so long. thank you very much for your time reading this, and for your consideration of this problem.

I think that this is really not an effective way for this dialogue to go on this thread. The OP has told her story and has been quite receptive to input from other nurses. I give her a lot of credit for that.

I think Ruby Vee made an excellent point in that people are not interested in what you can teach them as how open you are to learning from them.

Many times people come out of nursing school quite excited about their accomplishments, as they should be, and then hit a brick wall when they get out into the real world and realize that no one cares about the past, they want to know what you can do to make the present and the future of the team go better.

I hope that the OP can move on from this, and doesn't just give up. As far as suggestions for ways to get more experience, one place i can think of is the Red Cross, they do a lot of medical services from basic CPR education to disaster relief, and you can meet and network with some of the crustiest of the crusty old bats in nursing. It is a volunteer thing, so much more informal and friendly than in a job environment.

Also, you could look into clinics for the homeless, immunization clinics, or wellness clinics -- which are paying PRN positions with agencies like Maxim, et. al, that can be a lot of fun.

Thank you Mazy, those are excellent suggestions!

Are there opportunities for nurses in the insurance industry or medical records coding or other related fields? I'm interested in any suggestions.

I completely understand where you are coming from as I was in a similar situation very recently (had a horrible experience in LTC). I don't think that you should give up. I think that you should look for and apply to every nurse residency program within desired distance (if your heart is in direct patient care).

There are, indeed, opportunities for nurses in insurance. You can be a case manager, depending on how tech-savvy you are, you could be a consultant for companies like Cerner and McKesson. I usually just go to job search engines like indeed.com and simply type in the word, "healthcare" and am provided with tons of "RN required" jobs that do not include direct patient care. Hope this helps, and good luck to you.

TY So much for that information Wetzoo! Good luck to you too!

Specializes in Trauma, ER, ICU, CCU, PACU, GI, Cardiology, OR.

Unquestionably, I would agree with most of the advices you have received. However, I'm here to remind you that what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger!!! and no one know this more than us nurses, they may try to put us down, work us to the bone, and even treat us like slaves; but we come from a long line of Survivors. Therefore, get back in the saddle and show those barracudas that you're here to stay, it may not be in the same institution; but you're here for the long run with the rest of us. Furthermore, that's why I firmly believe that united, we shall overcome all of this negativity that shadows our beloved nursing career. Undoubtedly, let this experience be a lesson and another notch under your belt, now that you have learned how to prioritized place those skills into practice; and move on to better and greener pastures. I have no doubt that you'll succeed and please remember in the near future, when you get a newbie make sure that the cruel initiation is broken. Wishing you the very best in all of your future endeavors~

I'll try to add my 2 cents for what ever it's worth. I have had my share of successes and failures over my past 32 yrs in nursing(I'm 56) Back in my newbie days, 1980, nursing was alot different. It was taught different- every task we learned example inserting foley's, we were shown, and we did over and over again, Not that way now a days, The patients were different- they still had respect for nurses and they were not as critically ill and complicated as today. The health care philosophy and focus was different- we still took care of sick people. Today were are in the business mind. So therefore, our transition into the real nursing world was more instep with our education programs. Today these education programs are all over the place, as are the selection of new hires for positions.

I'm sorry to say, I have to agree, New nurses in dialysis - never. What if that patient suddenly grabbed their dialysis cath and decided to exsanguinate themself? Or their BP bottomed out and their eyes started to roll back in their head? That would be catestropic for both the New Grad and the patient. As the OP's have stated. New nurses should not be in case manangment or Utilization management either. In these 2 areas, one needs a foundation to draw from. For case managment, one needs to have experience hands on and observing, and assimilation with a number of patients to see the progression through the course of surgery or medical illness to get a feel for that patient's projected needs after discharge. For Utilization managemnt, one needs to know if the healthcare resources are being used efficiently or if they are being wasted unnecessarily. You have to do the time. It's not being mean, It's being practical.

Orientations are not what they used to be. First there is not enough staff to do proper orientations. Nurses should be precepted by nurses. The experienced nurse has to show and discuss( this allows the new nurse to develope their foundations of critical thinking) with the new nurse what they are doing and what is expected in the role as a licensed nurse- what your state board of nursing holds you accountable for. Those techs you mentioned- are not nurses, were god awful and hope they never become nurses. Their behavior was inexcusable as human beings. In my day, as a new nurse, I trotted after my preceptor and listened to every word she said. I asked questions. terrified I would ask a stupid question and she would laugh at me. It was not appropriate for me to tell the staff how much they are doing things wrong. That is not what I was there for. That is considered disrespectful. Disrespectful and insulting are the same thing. This is not done in any line of work, not just nursing. The only way I can describe what this is - is a sarcastic, ridicule act my girlfriends and I did in my teenage years when we were making fun of the snob of the class- she enteres a room and announces" Here I am all you lucky people" It's conceited and condecending.

My advise would be- do the volunteer work at the community clinic and do some immunizations clinics. This will help get your confidence back. Then try LTC- this is hands on med/surg skills, time managment skills, delegation and experience dealing with obstinate nursing assistants- they think they run those facilites but have not license if something goes wrong. Then watch how fast they remember who the RN is. JM 2 cents. for what it's worth

Comeon! You have to get back in there. Nurses DO eat their young in many instances but you have been in some bad job circumstances. I always tell my students (I am a nursing instructor and a nurse for 25 years) that it is VERY important to get a job with a good preceptorship program in te first few years of your career. is there a teaching hospital where you live? I would recommend a job that focuses on teaching. We all had to start somewhere but some nurses forget that. Ignore these horrible people. Press on and concentrate on doing your job well.

Mistakes happen, you are human. It will make you more careful in the future. Learn from it. It sounds like a system failure to me, not an individual factor. Anyway, forgive yourself. Everyone makes mistakes.

I dont think you need more education, you need more experience in a QUALITY atmosphere. The longer you stay away, the more you will lose confidence. Get back out there ASAP. Dont worry about the interview. Just be yourself. Life happens to everyone and if a potential employer doesnt understand that, you dont want to work for them. We all job-hop in the beginning. My resume has 2 pages of jobs and that never stopped ANYONE from hiring me.

I would not take a supervisory position at this point in your career. You need experience or you will never be respected as a leader. Take my word on this! Perhaps settle into a med surg job and get some experience. Then the world will be yours...I promise!!

I hope this was helpful. We have all been hazed and it sucks. The bullys seem to win but, in the end, if you maintain YOUR integrity and take the high road, it will pay off. Good luck!

It is not over until you stop trying! You need to choose your next job wisely, go for one with a lot of training at a place where nurses STAY. Find a place that does not have a high turnover. I have worked in med surg and dialysis, both have high turnover rates. Can you ask your clinical instructors (the ones that wrote the refernce) to help you find something at one of the locations you did a rotation on in school? Or any classmates? You need a place where you will be taught properly. That will make all the difference.

Specializes in Neuro ICU/Trauma/Emergency.

Take your time. Call up the BON and see who's offering refresher courses. Be careful while working as the only licensed professional on the floor. You definitely take clout for any mistake done under your & the DON's watch. Look into Psych facilities, as you are growing older & ICUs, ERs,OR, Neurology..etc. clinics can be a little more hectic for your liking, from reading your description. To be frank: you're not the youngest of the crop & finding employment may be a little difficult but possible. You have to take things that you have the energy for. LTC facilities may also be a better option.

Test the waters, sweets!

Specializes in Community Health.

This was probably a typo but...Influenza vaccine is dosed at 0.25 ml for babies 6-35 months and 0.5ml for 36+ monthsInfluenza vaccine is not indicated for infants less then 6 months of age:-)

Specializes in Med-Surg, Emergency, CEN.

My advice: Stop resigning!

The only way to become that experienced nurse it to experience the mistakes new nurses make. I may not be reading deeply enough into the post, but it sounded like at the second job they were trying to scare you enough to not assume your mistake was minor then let you go back to work. Mine had me shaking in my boots or crying in my car plenty of times, but I kept going back. You can too.

TY MissLadyRN for your suggestions. There is such a place an hour a way, a major medical center with an extern program for new grads. I interviewed there and they said they'd like to have me come work with them, but they only hire NGs twice a year, in June and December. But I shied away from them initially because for much of the year it's an hour through the snow. I will rethink that though.

Specializes in Neuro ICU/Trauma/Emergency.
My advice: Stop resigning!

The only way to become that experienced nurse it to experience the mistakes new nurses make. I may not be reading deeply enough into the post, but it sounded like at the second job they were trying to scare you enough to not assume your mistake was minor then let you go back to work. Mine had me shaking in my boots or crying in my car plenty of times, but I kept going back. You can too.

Great Advice to the new nurses! Mistakes are made and it's so easy to quit! Being relentless and learning from those mistakes will help you to transition into that seasoned nurse. We're all new in some form or fashion, "tabla-rasa" is you will, but through our mistakes we achieve the inevitable!

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