Men or Women? who is a better nurse? - page 6

im student nurse... and one topic that we came across today in class is " who is a better nurse? men or women?" ... is it really true when they say women are more caring than men? For nurses that... Read More

  1. by   teeituptom
    Howdy yall
    from deep in the heat of texas

    Of course you set the curves researchrabbit, you got the curves... thats meant nicely





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  2. by   mark_LD_RN
    Originally posted by jaelle
    I have to say that I feel very sorry for some of the biased, opinionated, discriminatory, downright evil things that I've witnessed female supervisor/chargenurse/nurse manager types say and do to male nurses. After all the years that females were discriminated against for the dumbest reasons....some of these women seem bound and determined to forget what it felt like and do it to the men in our profession.
    One example: I watched one young man...a CNA going to school for his RN, working at the same hospital I did, working just as hard as I was, but treated most shamefully. When assignments were passed out he was told he couldn't give baths to female patients, or be anywhere in the vicinity of the patient if anything invasive were being done. This guy was forced to float off of the floor 3 times as often as his female counterparts. He was accused of not being "trustworthy" to be around female patients because his mannerisms were too sexual in nature. (The poor guy was gay for crying out loud). He finally got fed up and quit. We lost a great nurse that day. This is just one example. All of the males on my floor were treated the same way...bound by the same prejudices. I'm ashamed of the women that treat guys this way. As soon as we quit thinking in a negative way....our patients will follow our lead. So I think that the question of who does the patient want to take care of them is ill-spirited and irrelevant. The patients...like us....want expert care. In all honesty...how many male patients are asked whether they want a male or female nurse? You have this female RN's supprt Gentlemen. Oh and by the way. Just because a male is a nurse...it is not written in stone that they are gay. So don't assume!

    i have to agree with you. i have seen discrimination against males in nursing more than once. experienced it personally in first semester of nursing school had instuctor asign me and the other males the worst patients. told me one day men are not nurses. I currently work in L&D and you would not believe how hard it was to get in because of gender. other nurses had problems with me doing it,but my patients love me. I stand by my earlier post that gender has no determination on the quality of the nurse. and this professor needs to closely ewxamine the motive for such a question. Fro mexperience i was say it was a loaded question and should not be explored by her, i feel she was head down her own predjudiced path.
  3. by   mark_LD_RN
    originally posted by rnoflabor2000
    it's very sensitive in l&d, i feels so bad for the male nursing students that come thru. half of the nurses don't want them and the other half get the patients who don't want them. and 70% of their doctors are male.

    i pretty much agree with a nurse is a nurse too. if you choose the career path, it doesn't matter if you are male or female. just be good at it. i don't think it matters in any career.

    so in all essense, this is a moot point. it is just like being an airline pilot. in a field that was and still is dominated by men, a few women do it. and they do it well. but the ratio of men to women is still indicative of women not "choosing" the field. it is not that they can't do it. same for nursing.

    it is only sensitive in l&d because of predjudice and old stereo typing.i work in l&d and my patients love me. i have only had problems from other nurses and a cpl of doctors. it should not be an issue. nurses need to work together and advance the profession not stab each other in the back. i am a nurse just like any female nurse, i am not a male nurse! i nurse all genders. one day this will stop being an issue once nurses decide to be open minded and consider themselves as professionals. patients are perfectly comfortable with me, and once the docs and nurse i work with got to know me they are to. example i just worked with an agency nurse last night, she came in and was in shock that i was working her, all she could say was "oh my your patients must be uncomfortable with you" but all my coworkers set her straight and told her nope they all love himn and request him. by the end of the night she got to witness first hand how patients responded to me, i had a patient come back that delivered a month ago to show me her baby, she gave me the biggest hug,husband hugged me also. she just stood in amazement. she atleast had the decency to say she was wrong and soory if she hurt my feelings.
  4. by   LPN & EMT-CT
    Originally posted by Susy K


    Personally? I would prefer a NURSE and not some UAP to take care of me.
    This is sooooo true, when I work with one, I don't let them hardly do anything for my pt.'s, I tell them I will bath them and take care of I&O's and walking , ROM, dressinhg changes and everything, even if I have to give up my lunch break and tow 15 min breaks!!
    David , LPN & EMT-CT -VA:wink2:
  5. by   mark_LD_RN
    here is some interesting info from a research paper i wrote in college:

    1)the first nursing school was in india approx 250B.C. only men were considered pure enough to become nurses.
    2) according to the Charaka (vol I section xv) men should be of good behavior,distinguished for purity,possessed of cleverness and skill, imbued with kindness, and skilled in every service a patient may require.
    3)the first nurse in the united states was male. Fray (Friar) Juan de Mena was ship wrecked off south texas coast 70 yrs before pilgrims landed at plymouth rock. He is the first identified nurse in what was to become known as the United States. among his virtues ,especially noteworthy was the humble charity with which he tended the sick.
    4) during the Byzantine Empire nursing was a seperate occupation practiced by men. In the NEw testament the good samaritian paid the male innkeeper to care for an injured man,No one thought it odd that a man should be paid to provide nursing care. ( Luke 10:35-36)

    hope you all found this info interesting.
  6. by   LPN & EMT-CT
    Originally posted by mark_LD_RN
    here is some interesting info from a research paper i wrote in college:

    1)the first nursing school was in india approx 250B.C. only men were considered pure enough to become nurses.
    2) according to the Charaka (vol I section xv) men should be of good behavior,distinguished for purity,possessed of cleverness and skill, imbued with kindness, and skilled in every service a patient may require.
    3)the first nurse in the united states was male. Fray (Friar) Juan de Mena was ship wrecked off south texas coast 70 yrs before pilgrims landed at plymouth rock. He is the first identified nurse in what was to become known as the United States. among his virtues ,especially noteworthy was the humble charity with which he tended the sick.
    4) during the Byzantine Empire nursing was a seperate occupation practiced by men. In the NEw testament the good samaritian paid the male innkeeper to care for an injured man,No one thought it odd that a man should be paid to provide nursing care. ( Luke 10:35-36)

    hope you all found this info interesting.


    Thanks for the info, that's a lot of stuff I didn't know, you know you learn something new everyday.

    David, LPN & EMT-CT -VA
  7. by   rnoflabor2000
    I don't like the fortuitous use of what men did before. Oh, and men make great priests too!! (sarcasm included) We can also say that we (women) were considered as property and less than human, it is also why we have no historical data on what we did in the past. We were kept that way. We were mothers to many of these men. But no credit was ever given to these "caring" women that taught their sons.
    I think you are right in saying that gender is not an issue, it is the person doing the job, and my patients love me too. But as a nurse, and only for 4 years and my second career in my life, I have seen barely any distinguishing difference between the way a large group of men in a male dominated career treat the women than I do with a large group of women in a female dominated field treat the men. Just a few minor differences in the way they go about it.
    This is a highly sensitive issue and this thread should either be dropped or just boycotted.

    Originally posted by mark_LD_RN
    here is some interesting info from a research paper i wrote in college:

    1)the first nursing school was in india approx 250B.C. only men were considered pure enough to become nurses.
    2) according to the Charaka (vol I section xv) men should be of good behavior,distinguished for purity,possessed of cleverness and skill, imbued with kindness, and skilled in every service a patient may require.
    3)the first nurse in the united states was male. Fray (Friar) Juan de Mena was ship wrecked off south texas coast 70 yrs before pilgrims landed at plymouth rock. He is the first identified nurse in what was to become known as the United States. among his virtues ,especially noteworthy was the humble charity with which he tended the sick.
    4) during the Byzantine Empire nursing was a seperate occupation practiced by men. In the NEw testament the good samaritian paid the male innkeeper to care for an injured man,No one thought it odd that a man should be paid to provide nursing care. ( Luke 10:35-36)

    hope you all found this info interesting.
  8. by   researchrabbit
    Originally posted by Dr. Kate
    Researchrabbit: as we said in the 70s: "the woman who strives to be equal to a man lacks ambition."

    But really, what a dreadful thing to throw out to a class. It reaks of fostering gender bias and mindless prejudices.

    Gender is no determinant of quality and ability.
    It was awful, wasn't it? That was in 1976 and the most prejudiced professor I ever had. He would actually berate the guys if one of us women answered a question that they couldn't,
  9. by   rnoflabor2000
    I like you , research rabbit!! I hope some woman met him in a dark alley!!! hahahaha

    I took the ASFAB (sp.) in 1982, when I told the recruiter that I wanted to be a pilot, he laughed, right in my face. Then he proceeded to tell me that women don't fly. They are too slow in their reaction times. WOW, that was very damaging to a young girls' mind. No one has told me since that I can't do anything. I've been a private pilot since 1988 and fly aerobatics.
  10. by   Glad2behere
    Are you asking for quality or quantity?

    Sorry, had to throw that in there just to rattle some cages!!!!

    (&(^)_+(+_&*%$(&)&)*
  11. by   Vsummer1
    I am very glad to see some men in my nursing classes. In fact, I told one of the guys in class that I would like to work with him and the others because the fact is, men are different. Study after study shoes the gender bias in our upbringing (here in the USA). I did a whole term paper on those differences in communication, study after study, etc. Men or women are not "better or worse" they are just born biollogically different and our society socializes them differently.

    I feel it would benefit me, a female, to work with as much diversity as possible.
  12. by   debyan
    My youngest son is asking about what I think of his going into nursing seems to be considering it he is a framer ( builds houses )now. My older son was considering PT for a while, his twin sister is in nursing school at this time. I encourage them all I don't think gender has anything to do with it. Chandra said it well " any one who has knowledge and puts in practice with compassion dedication and empathetic feeling is a good nurse" of course a little common sense doesn't hurt either Debyan
  13. by   Sleepyeyes
    Ok....
    I don't know which came first, but I thought it interesting that they hired a girl to sleep with King David when he was old, just to keep him warm.....the Bible explicitly states he didn't have sex with her.......seems to me, she was kinda a CNA?????

    Anyhow, I'll never forget the first time a guy took care of me as a patient; it about blew my mind how GENTLE he was, and strong enough to do in one motion what women took two or three to do. I've had good and bad both men and women since, so I don't stereotype. peace

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