Lazy Student Nurse Preceptors! - page 8

I am furious over my most recent clinical experience. I'm in my last semester of school and graduating in May. Our school waits until 4th semester to learn IV's. Well, the "goals" for this... Read More

  1. by   emily_mom
    Damn it...all the good shyt happens when I'm at work....

    Kristy
  2. by   DIPLOMATICRN4HIRE
    As a traveler I can only speak for what I would have done if you were assigned to me:
    I would have sent you away plain and simple.... It has nothing to do with you personally. Nothing at all. If I had only 2 days on the unit and they had stuck a student with me I would have been LIVID myself.
    First of all: I havent a clue who you are, your capabilities, they way you were taught, and what knowledge you have or dont have.
    Second: Im responsible to my Patient, Agency, My hospital and Myself.Im not paid to handle the role of a preceptor and Im sure that traveler was on the phone with her recruiter , because we are not paid to train anyone we are there to do a job that is contracted to do, unless she was paid to precept she was above and beyond her contract and if anything would have happend it would have fell on her head and not on anyone elses.
    Third: Your instructor is the one who assigns you to Precept with your Nurse, why is it your Instructor assigned you to a traveler in the first place especially one with only 2 days on the floor anyway.Even if you were assigned to someone that worked there and not a traveler 2 days on the floor isnt sufficant to Precept under, Reguardless of your capabilities and "Your" assigned duties, instead of nailing the traveler here maybe you should be discussing this issue with your Instructor, Where was her mind? Did she ever ask the Nurse if she wanted a student? Did she even look to see where this new Nurse came from?, Did anyone ask this Nurse if things were ok with her?
    Fourth: If you felt as if you had a problem up front why didnt you go to your Instructor and tell her: Look I think that I will not get the education and skills or the opportunity that I need, because its appears my Nurse doesnt remember that I need to do such. Im wondering if the Nurse hung the IV fluids herself why werent you so far up her behind when the Med was due? Was this Nurse swamped with things to do?
    and last but not least just to give anyone more ammunition to flame me with:
    Why is it Her responsibility to make sure you get your things done? Isnt it yours.... Im sure there were many nurses on the floor that would have killed for someone to help them hang their IV's, do their flushes, Monitor for the skills in which you were looking for, You could have easily found a Nurse (because there is always one or two that would kill for the help), gone to your Instructor and told her the situation and gotten your assignment changed.
    I understand we all start from scratch and we have to get it where we can, but You need to look from the other shoe. How would have you handled it knowing that Your just starting a job and Now they have put someone with you that Can take your license in one swoop, because as a student Your covered for mistakes, As a RN your not, you cover yourself.
    Zoe
  3. by   hapeewendy
    guys guys guys why are you surprised?
    this isnt the first time we have witnessed these antics ....

    blessed are those who actively use the IGNORE function for they do not have to deal with such silliness


    I on the other hand seem to keep subjecting myself to it

    methinks there is a mighty lonely village round somewhere
  4. by   OzNurse69
    Zoe,

    As an agency nurse, you took the words right out of my mouth!! I would have said I didn't want a student with me, & if they insisted I would have made sure they didn't get to do ANYTHING that I couldn't directly supervise -- & lets face it, with the "fantastic" orientations we agency staff get these days ("there's the crash cart, there's the toilet, let me know if there's anything else you need!!"), we have even less time than permanent staff to be precepting.

    No offence to any of the students out there, but when I work agency I don't take students....end of story.

    BTW, some people on this board need to get some outside interests & stop taking things quite so much to heart, IMHO......
  5. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Originally posted by OzNurse69
    BTW, some people on this board need to get some outside interests & stop taking things quite so much to heart, IMHO......
  6. by   FullMoonMadness
    Flo;I have read your impressions,now here is mine. I believe that Sunnygirl was referring directly to you and with good cause. You state you speak from a students persective. Please understand that all nursing student s do not share your infinate wisdom nor do they benifit from your obvious years of life experience.You state that you have focused on Mattsmom and her dislike/intolorance of new nurses?Well, Your posts also have a scent of theme. No one is out to get you,no one is being rude to you.Nursing school is a preview of real life. If you think that nurses who don't want to precept you are rude,wait until you run into an irritated Doc or a patient who dosnt want a "new" nurse. You havnt seen rude yet. These are all parts of nursing. Just get through school and quit taking yourself so seriously.Im speaking from THIS students perspective. Thank you.
  7. by   nursenatalie
    I think the underlying theme here is that nursing schools need some serious changes. I cant remember who mentioned it but I think that bachelor degree nurses should be allowed to teach. I have worked with wonderful nurses in the hospital who seem to be born to teach and I always thank them for their time and tell them they should teach and 9 times out of 10 they say I dont wanna go for my Master's or I am an ADN. In our school we have Masters level and a couple doctorate level nurses who dont know diddly about the real world of nursing because they have had their nose in the books so many years. Thank god we have clinical instructors who actually work in the real world...our instructor with a doctorate degree can't figure out an IV pump to save her life!

    and btw...
    "The views of some student nurses do not portray the beliefs of others....DONT speak on the behalf of student nurses"
    Last edit by nursenatalie on Feb 8, '03
  8. by   KRVRN
    I'm perceiving more than one person engaging in playground antics.
  9. by   KRVRN
    And now my response to the topic.

    I remember being in school and having the instructors tell you that you have to find your own learning experiences, be assertive, ask to do things, tell what you DO need experience with, etc etc. You end up in a bad place when your instructor wants you to get experience with X skill and the staff nurses only let you do Y. But yet your instructor wants assertiveness and pro-action. It gets hard when it's your instructor that ultimately gives you your grade. And I agree, the situation described by the original poster was definitely complicated by the preceptor being a traveller. Which students can't relate to.
  10. by   emily_mom
    WOOT!!!

    Go Natalie!!!

    That said, I agree. Don't speak for me. I am able to speak for myself....quite well I might add.

    Kristy (aka brain surgeon nurse....as I am a non-smoker and obviously have gained brain cells back)
  11. by   mattsmom81
    Gotta say from my heart the old diploma schools handled clinical experiences the best way...and we can thank the NLN and the ANA for sending them the way of the dinosaurs. We had a true teaching hospital mentality and the hospital was invested in our school. We don't see this very often anymore and it makes it hard on students and staff alike.

    A student with a chip on her shoulder makes a new nurse with a chip on her shoulder. I predict a 'chippee' will not be well received and will need to learn a few hard life lessons before /if she learns. If this is an anti new nurse statement so be it. We float our own boats.

    Some start out with the victim mentality early and blame others for every perceived slight. I am an outspoken Yankee and may rub ya'll wrong sometimes, but I'm glad 'most' of you know I am NOT against students or new nurses. I'm a tough old bird but with a soft heart.

    Yes, some nurses may be unhappy, (we're human) or just be having a bad day and are cranky. To let one person control your day is ridiculous. Most nurses are pretty darn nice folks or we wouldn't be in this line of work and I operate off this perspective. I do agency now and am not disappointed: I run into great folks everyday...in real life and on this BB. If we go out there looking for trouble we will likely find it quickly.

    Flo you (and many other students and young new nurses) need to mature a little to understand how to deal with people. I walked into a new ICU the other night for orientation and immediately got an "Oh NO' from the staff. It didn't take me long to see why...they were swamped, a patient coding, another needing intubation, and they were short a nurse. Instead of getting a chip on my shoulder, I jumped in and HELPED them through it. I didn't take their comment personal cuz I knew it wasn't 'all about me'.

    Flo my comments you perceive as 'anti student' are probably snippets from experiences I have had that you are taking too much to heart. But one needn't make insulting statements as you do. You seem to enjoy making ugly comments and stirring the shyt pot...so on with the ignore feature from now on.

    As I look at the title of this thread we may have all been sucked into an argument intended to happen, sadly.
  12. by   OBNURSEHEATHER
    Originally posted by mattsmom81
    As I look at the title of this thread we may have all been sucked into an argument intended to happen, sadly.
    Oh my. I may get kicked outta here for calling B-I-N-G-O so many times!!!!

    Heather
  13. by   mattsmom81
    Originally posted by OBNURSEHEATHER
    Oh my. I may get kicked outta here for calling B-I-N-G-O so many times!!!!

    Heather
    Yup you called it right...I'm a little slow on the uptake sometimes...LOL! :roll

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